Banter Who will be better in 2024? Carlton or Collingwood?

[adammania9]

Will likely pan out much the same as 2022. Very hot start by Carlton, Pies finding their rhythm after looking untidy. Flip spots on the latter half way through the year and Carlton will miss finals

Great call by this poster. Appears to be on the money once more

 

[Carringbush2010]

Not sure if it's a coaching issue or the snr players, but how does this happen?

All 6 Carlton players offensive side of that ball - lost them the game.

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This happens to all teams though, in varying degrees, and is not news.

If you watched the first qtr, pies swarmed to contest and when the blues won contest Pies got burnt on turnover.

In short this happens regularly, from the tele we don't get the benefit of seeing how teams set up offensively / defensively outside the TV screen.

You would've noticed early in the 2nd the Pies went corridor to outnumbered positions attempting speed on ball, got burnt on turnover when they didn't win it.

And in the 3rd, the Pies tried to suffocate the blues (close down the game) into submission but when the Pies fumbled at crucial times in crucial parts of the ground it allowed the blues to transition to score to an awaiting McKay in free grass.

Admittedly in this frame NO ONE behind the contest in d50 is probably down to a comms error.

 

[Robertio]

Great call by this poster. Appears to be on the money once more

Just checked the calendar again, 1st week in May it is.

 

[adammania9]

Just checked the calendar again, 1st week in May it is.

How many more times do Blues supporters need to be proven wrong by opposition supporters?

 

[gab213]

Collingwood denied you playing your best - which was my point.

It was the best you could do against Collingwood - it’s still your best. And I doubt every Carlton player didn’t give their best last night. Yeah?

The team we fielded was streets away from being our best though, they play and we win even if DeGoey plays but these sorts of arguments are meaningless anyway. You play the game again with the same players and you can get a different result.

Last night's game didn't definitively prove anything, it just gives you bragging rights until next we meet.

Collingwood was too good on the night,that's all.

 

[carlton_99]

Yep, Pies are still building into the season, almost let another game slip...a strong opponent would have punsihed us.

3 of Carlton's wins have been pretty unispiring against mediocre teams - Lions, Tigers and Freo were all games where Carlton were meh. Good teams bank points and all that.

Carlton need to start producing some better performances against the decent teams over the next month...or the "hot start" will be proven to be pretty mediocre and just luck of a soft start (AFL loves the Carlton hype machine).

Looking at teams that are probably top-6 contenders:
Carlton have played Brisbane (away), GWS (home), Geelong and now Pies in the opening 8 weeks (for 2W 2L)
Collingwood have played Brisbane (away), GWS (away), Swans (home), Port (home) and Blues in the opening 8 weeks (for 3W 2L).

You have played one more contender so far and now have 4 straight weeks where you don't play one whilst Carlton play 3. So in a month Carlton would have played 7 top-6 contenders to Collingwood's 5. Not sure how ours is a soft start...

 

[Robertio]

How many more times do Blues supporters need to be proven wrong by opposition supporters?

What a strange comment.

 

[adammania9]

What a strange comment.

How so?

The 2022 and 2023 renditions of this very thread show Collingwood supporters have a better understanding of where Carlton are at than Carlton supporters do. 2024 is shaping up to be no different.

 

[carlton_99]

How so?

The 2022 and 2023 renditions of this very thread show Collingwood supporters have a better understanding of where Carlton are at than Carlton supporters do. 2024 is shaping up to be no different.

In 2023 you and the others had Carlton making a PF? Please let's get serious now

 

[Robertio]

How so?

The 2022 and 2023 renditions of this very thread show Collingwood supporters have a better understanding of where Carlton are at than Carlton supporters do. 2024 is shaping up to be no different.

Maybe you should've said Collingwood supporters and not opposition supporters.

 

[adammania9]

Maybe you should've said Collingwood supporters and not opposition supporters.

Freo and Geelong supporters seem to have a good hold also

 

[adammania9]

In 2023 you and the others had Carlton making a PF? Please let's get serious now

We said they weren't at the level of Collingwood nor were they premiership-winning quality, which was correct

 

[carlton_99]

We said they weren't at the level of Collingwood nor were they premiership-winning quality, which was correct

You and the others were well off about Carlton in 2023 - let's not forget what this thread was like during the year

 

[carlton_99]

Freo and Geelong supporters seem to have a good hold also

Like the Cats fan who called Saad and McGovern depth players. We must have the best list ever built in the history of world sport if they are our depth players

 

[adammania9]

You and the others were well off about Carlton in 2023 - let's not forget what this thread was like during the year

A long way off the top team? Yeah what a shocker of a call that was

 

[carlton_99]

A long way off the top team? Yeah what a shocker of a call that was

We were 2.5 goals away from playing you in a Granny - that is not a long way off.

 

[Robertio]

A long way off the top team? Yeah what a shocker of a call that was

That's another point to what you were talking about mate, we still made a prelim.

 

[Mr Meow]

Like the Cats fan who called Saad and McGovern depth players. We must have the best list ever built in the history of world sport if they are our depth players

Picking the most extreme poster - the one who definitely dislikes Carlton and trolls you guys - isn't really good form.

You guys might not agree with the rest of us still but our opinions have been more moderate and essentially all include Carlton as a legitimate flag threat. Just one that needs to pick up its form, and fully merited its recent losses.

 

[adammania9]

We were 2.5 goals away from playing you in a Granny - that is not a long way off.

After Brisbane took the foot off the pedal in the last. The margin was flattering.

 

[carlton_99]

Picking the most extreme poster - the one who definitely dislikes Carlton and trolls you guys - isn't really good form.

You guys might not agree with the rest of us still but our opinions have been more moderate and essentially all include Carlton as a legitimate flag threat. Just one that needs to pick up its form, and fully merited its recent losses.

I don't spend much time on the main board bar this thread so I can only speak for the Cats fans in here and there are pretty much two - you and the one that made that comment.

 

[carlton_99]

After Brisbane took the foot off the pedal in the last. The margin was flattering.

We could have been smashed by 100 - if you are one W away from Granny you can't claim we were a long way off. We just played a team that was undefeated at home

 

[Fadge]

Got to love the delusion of the Carlton supporters who honestly believe they beat the better teams in the competition with their best 22.

In terms of importance, Collingwood's three most important players are:
1. Nick Daicos - the team's best player and arguably the best player in the competition.
2. Darcy Moore

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- Key defender and leadership in the backline.
3. Scott Pendlebury

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- Poise and Leadership.
If you sat down at the start of the season and listed our next four most valuable players, you'd likely have:
De Goey - Our second best player when he is at his best.
McStay - Forward pillar and we don't make a Grand Final without him in our first two finals.
Murphy - Key Defender who allows Moore to play his intercept role.
Tom Mitchell - Inside mid who feeds it out to the likes of De Goey and Daicos. 4th in our B&F last year and one of our best players on Grand Final Day.

All four are certainly in Collingwood's top 10 most important - the other three I can think of who would be in the mix are Mihocek, J. Daicos and Maynard.

Where do Carlton's outs rate in terms of importance?

Certainly none ahead of Weitering, Curnow, Cripps, Walsh and McKay.

Saad may be 6th at a stretch?

Would either Fogarty, Martin or Motlop have contributed more than Owies' three goals?

'Tell 'em they're dreaming'.....

 

[31550]

Last night's game didn't definitively prove anything, it just gives you bragging rights until next we meet.

Ummm bragging rights are all that matters aren't they?

 

[Arr0w]

Ummm bragging rights are all that matters aren't they?

Nah, not even close

 

[gab213]

Got to love the delusion of the Carlton supporters who honestly believe they beat the better teams in the competition with their best 22.

In terms of importance, Collingwood's three most important players are:
1. Nick Daicos - the team's best player and arguably the best player in the competition.
2. Darcy Moore - Key defender and leadership in the backline.
3. Scott Pendlebury - Poise and Leadership.
If you sat down at the start of the season and listed our next four most valuable players, you'd likely have:
De Goey - Our second best player when he is at his best.
McStay - Forward pillar and we don't make a Grand Final without him in our first two finals.
Murphy - Key Defender who allows Moore to play his intercept role.
Tom Mitchell - Inside mid who feeds it out to the likes of De Goey and Daicos. 4th in our B&F last year and one of our best players on Grand Final Day.

All four are certainly in Collingwood's top 10 most important - the other three I can think of who would be in the mix are Mihocek, J. Daicos and Maynard.

Where do Carlton's outs rate in terms of importance?

Certainly none ahead of Weitering, Curnow, Cripps, Walsh and McKay.

Saad may be 6th at a stretch?

Would either Fogarty, Martin or Motlop have contributed more than Owies' three goals?

'Tell 'em they're dreaming'.....

Go easy on the call on Nick, he may very well develop into being one of the very best in the competition one day, I fully expect that will be the case, but it's a bit early to call it. I like the irony in the fact that a once fanatical Carlton supporter could very well end up as the best ever Collingwood player.