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Prediction Who will be better in 2025? Carlton or Hawthorn
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I think some Hawthorn fans are getting a little bit carried away. The Hawks have a good young team coming together, but the element of surprise is gone this year.
I think they might go backwards a bit this year, but time will tell as to if i'm right i guess! They were a team that did overachieve last year imo.
I think they might go backwards a bit this year, but time will tell as to if i'm right i guess! They were a team that did overachieve last year imo.
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Sorry, forgot us Carlton supporters are just meant to let ridiculous comments like only a handful of Carlton players would get a game at Hawthorn, Carltons depth is terrible etc etc slide without rebuttal.
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True, but offset by hawks strengthening with mature options and carlton trading some away
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No, not Carlton supporters, just you. You clearly know **** all about Hawthorn players, yet you persist with pretending otherwise. You have stunk up this thread more than anyone.
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Disagree. Hawks posters as a whole have made most of the most ridiculous claims in here. I've simply disagreed with them using stats to back my opinion up, as have many other Carlton fans.
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Now, this is just Chris Scott level self-awareness!
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If you aren't going to discuss something football related and just have pot shots at posters I suggest we move on.
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On posters
Good = eg good debate probably too close to call but let’s chat anyway it’s off season
Bad = eg xxx clearly better than yyy who are over achieving right now
Thinking back to 2022 2023 if you looke at who these teams beat and who beat them, they were equally inept.
The ‘good carlton’ may only be 12-18 months advanced on the ‘good hawthorn’
Good = eg good debate probably too close to call but let’s chat anyway it’s off season
Bad = eg xxx clearly better than yyy who are over achieving right now
Thinking back to 2022 2023 if you looke at who these teams beat and who beat them, they were equally inept.
The ‘good carlton’ may only be 12-18 months advanced on the ‘good hawthorn’
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Yep. I can understand that you don’t have much interest in Hawthorn. You’d probably have bigger rivals in the comp
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Let's just put one thing to bed in this thread. The Hawks didn't play above their capabilities. Physically impossible to do that. As far as this year is concerned if they play to the same level they will fall down the ladder. Hawthorn need to improve and I think they will given our trade period and natural improvement in our group. Carlton rely heavily on their stars. They do have genuine stars let's see if they can carry them through the season. They are right in it for more finals given their stars
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Hawthorn have improved their defensive depth - get another pre-season into their younger players and more time to develp team game. Coaching staff arent short of smarts either. So defense stronger and more options for Mitchell to deploy blokes like Sicily forward or back - big ticks.
Carlton have as many if not more younger kids still developing and a history of discontinuity because of injury in my mind slowing team cohesion and development down ..
Assuming average levels of injury - to either team - should be close games - I give Carlton the edge between the arcs- and Hawthorn the edge in ball movement.
As for season results ttoo many variables for this tiny brain to sove for - both shoudl play finals.
Toss a coin.
Carlton have as many if not more younger kids still developing and a history of discontinuity because of injury in my mind slowing team cohesion and development down ..
Assuming average levels of injury - to either team - should be close games - I give Carlton the edge between the arcs- and Hawthorn the edge in ball movement.
As for season results ttoo many variables for this tiny brain to sove for - both shoudl play finals.
Toss a coin.
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I think he must be a very committed Bigfooty poster if he contributes as much to other threads
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Will recent events involving the president expose a crack? Not irrelevant
Outside of a mentality side, of not having the surprise element and being hunted more. When you look at Hawthorn on paper it is a top 8 side, with the upside of a top 4 side. It’s lacking in areas but has coverage especially till the injured players return. A strong backline in 2024 with further quality additions, a young midfield continuing to grow and a good crop of small forwards.
There is a clear lack of key forwards with Lewis and Dear injured, however likely coverage with players able to rotate forward and others like young Scaife and Ramsden who like Dear weren’t proven but will probably get an opportunity to, and Chol/Gunston.
It comes down to a group mentality and drive which seems strong, and it’s only a wait and see but as Kane Cornes said it’s a hard team to pick with how strong the depth looks and on paper it looks like a strong side. The only assumption that can be made is through the side on paper, and performance of last season. There will be an aspect of a young group, mentality and how they handle it, but it can’t be the only perspective. It’s an interesting piece.
Carlton have proved to be a quality team but also have clear gaps, and there could be a massive improvement if the gameplan changes to suit modern footy. It’ll give more opportunities for the bottom rung of players to improve and be more involved and a faster game style will also give them a different look. If that is a way they can develop and improve.
Probably don’t post your Willy on twitter
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Even if we to go along with your hopes that a handful of youngsters could have the second year blues, that could only really be Dear and Watson? Who else?
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Im sorry, i just hate the Hawks and really im just hoping to see them slide
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I know, that’s why I asked.
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