Prediction Who will be better in 2025? Carlton or Hawthorn

[Osho]

Blues:
-effort and class mix. It's reliant on the prior to make up for the latter.

Hawks:
-sophomore doldrums. Everyone's had a look, now.
-the coach and skipper are rippers, but they shouldn't sook it up everytime someone does the airplane dance in 2025.

 

[peetoo]

Blues:
-effort and class mix. It's reliant on the prior to make up for the latter.

Hawks:
-sophomore doldrums. Everyone's had a look, now.
-the coach and skipper are rippers, but they shouldn't sook it up everytime someone does the airplane dance in 2025.

With respect, that tells me nothing in relation to the title

 

[TheFourPillars]

Blues:
-effort and class mix. It's reliant on the prior to make up for the latter.

Hawks:
-sophomore doldrums. Everyone's had a look, now.
-the coach and skipper are rippers, but they shouldn't sook it up everytime someone does the airplane dance in 2025.

Oh don't worry there will plenty of aeroplane celebrations similar to the sheedy and his antics hawthorn never forget.

 

[RCAB]

Tell us, what was wrong with our game plan?

And here in lies proof this poster can't remember more than a day's worth of information.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

And here in lies proof this poster can't remember more than a day's worth of information.

I can, I just want to hear it from an opposition supporters perspective

 

[doppleganger]

The main issue I see with Carlton is their reductive and simplistic way of looking at their trajectory.

Their trajectory has them already going backwards.

2021 8 wins % of 88
2022 12 wins % of 108
2023 13 wins % of 116 + 2 finals wins
2024 13 wins % of 110

They essentially reduce everything to, “Well, we were injured last year, we’ve added one or two pieces, and now we’ll be much better and win the premiership,” with no real discussion about how they’ll address their game plan, which was a massive Achilles heel last year.

They’re in for a rude awakening.

Unless you consider pick 3 a piece for 2025, they haven't really added anything.

Hawks have added pieces, and they went past Carlton in 2024.

 

[Fadge]

Their trajectory has them already going backwards.

2021 8 wins % of 88
2022 12 wins % of 108
2023 13 wins % of 116 + 2 finals wins
2024 13 wins % of 110


Unless you consider pick 3 a piece for 2025, they haven't really added anything.

Hawks have added pieces, and they went past Hawks in 2024.

Yep.

Appears they've peaked at a 5th place finish in 2023, given they replaced 5 mature best 22 players (who were all available when Carlton were at their peak) with Haynes and a handful of 18 year olds.

Strange list management approach given Cripps, Charlie, Weitering, Harry, Walsh and TDK are all in their absolute prime years.

 

[doppleganger]

And here in lies proof this poster can't remember more than a day's worth of information.

Walsh is good value.

Lucky this thread isn't clogged up by other Baggers trolling about 1970 VFL era footy

 

[carlton_99]

And here in lies proof this poster can't remember more than a day's worth of information.

What have you actually said were the issues with our game plan? You mentioned how zoning can cut off our ball movement from D50 to the corridor but this is very generic and applies to literally every team in the competition.

 

[RCAB]

What have you actually said were the issues with our game plan? You mentioned how zoning can cut off our ball movement from D50 to the corridor but this is very generic and applies to literally every team in the competition.

That not what I said. Read it again or don't bother replying unless you want to make yourself look bad.

 

[carlton_99]

That not what I said. Read it again or don't bother replying unless you want to make yourself look bad.

What concerns me the most about Carlton is their gamestyle. It looks good when on, but too often in the back half of season it was caught out. The fast transition from d50 to centre/corridor can easily be cut off with good zoning. I don't think having all personnel available will magically make it better.

 

[The 747]

Hawthorn. Carlton are pretenders

 

[RCAB]

Dear me carlton_99 your read that twice and still misrepresented it.

 

[carlton_99]

Dear me carlton_99 your read that twice and still misrepresented it.

Please explain how I have misrepresented your comment.