Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

[Fadge]

I think all the posts in here are a thing of beauty myself

Especially this one

You've always been a great judge of post quality, Zevon.

 

[Zevon]

You've always been a great judge of post quality, Zevon.

Right?? That’s what I keep trying to tell everyone

 

[Arr0w]

Noticed Pies have annointed Mason Cox a life member, good on him. Paul Collingwood MBE esque

Would Jason Castagna be elevated to legend status if he was a Pies player?

 

[King Tut]

Let's not have awards just to make Collingwood supporters happy.
( pretty sure most pie posters were stoked the nick got nominated twice for GOTY, then showed how much it meant when he didn't win it by paying out on officialdom online)
Don't say it doesn't mean much

Collingwood players have won more Brownlows than Carlton players in our respective histories. So we beat you at that as well

 

[augie]

Noticed Pies have annointed Mason Cox a life member, good on him. Paul Collingwood MBE esque

Would Jason Castagna be elevated to legend status if he was a Pies player?

We award life membership to all premiership players. You might do the same, although you might have had to extend it to the Wizard Cup.

And I'll take premiership player Coxy as a life member over Levi Casboult and Dennis Armfield

 

[Worm4]

Collingwood players have won more Brownlows than Carlton players in our respective histories. So we beat you at that as well

Well technically, both clubs have won it 7 times i believe. Pies with 7 players, blues with 6. But, congratulations nevertheless they should be applauded , not sure why anyone would downgrade the achievement

 

[Arr0w]

We award life membership to all premiership players. You might do the same, although you might have had to extend it to the Wizard Cup.

And I'll take premiership player Coxy as a life member over Levi Casboult and Dennis Armfield

Never knew you awarded lifetime membership purely for flag

Levi and Army weren't premiership players but that doesn't diminish what they achieved as players

Let's be honest, all of these types are role players, and every side is littered with them apart from half a dozen or so elite types

 

[Fadge]

Let's be honest, all of these types are role players, and every side is littered with them apart from half a dozen or so elite types

Hence why Carlton continue to fail to contend.

Look at all the teams that have contended for and won premierships in recent times, and you should realise that they have more than half a dozen players on their list that are more than 'role players'....

 

[Arr0w]

Hence why Carlton continue to fail to contend.

Look at all the teams that have contended for and won premierships in recent times, and you should realise that they have more than half a dozen players on their list that are more than 'role players'....

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[South of the Yarra]

Well technically, both clubs have won it 7 times i believe. Pies with 7 players, blues with 6. But, congratulations nevertheless they should be applauded , not sure why anyone would downgrade the achievement

The Pies have had 9 players awarded the Brownlow Medal.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Hence why Carlton continue to fail to contend.

Look at all the teams that have contended for and won premierships in recent times, and you should realise that they have more than half a dozen players on their list that are more than 'role players'....

The best clubs have "footballers" not freaking "role players" we're not making a movie here

Such a Carlton term, not really used by other supporters

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[Worm4]

The Pies have had 9 players awarded the Brownlow Medal.

9 is it - that's a great club achievement.

 

[South of the Yarra]

9 is it - that's a great club achievement.

 

[Fadge]

Well technically, both clubs have won it 7 times i believe. Pies with 7 players, blues with 6. But, congratulations nevertheless they should be applauded , not sure why anyone would downgrade the achievement

The Pies have had 9 players awarded the Brownlow Medal.

Oh Wormy, you've done it again...

 

[Worm4]

Oh Wormy, you've done it again...

Seriously, STFU

 

[Noidnadroj]

I note that Collingwood supporters have no interest in discussing their fixture and thoughts on W/L for the first oh lets say 13 rounds....so here are the matchups for you dirty birders to ponder over.

GWS(A)
Port (H)
Doggies (M)
Carlton (H)
Sydney (H)
Brisbane (A)
Essendon (H)
Geelong(H)
Fremantle (A)
Adelaide ( H)
North( M)
Hawthorn(H)
Melb(MCG)


Oh Boy...

If Collingwood have a handful of injuries to best-23, the following players will get regular games:

Frampton
Long
McInnes
Macrae
Johnson
Sullivan
Allan
Markov

Pies need a miraculous injury run to contend, and with 14 x best-23 players 29yo+ and 6 of those 32yo+ it’s highly unlikely to happen. Father Time waits for no-one and the Pies list just isn’t deep enough with enough quality goalkickers to contend (oh what they’d do to have O. Henry and Ginnivan back and send Schulz back on a plane West.)



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[Fadge]

If Collingwood have a handful of injuries to best-23, the following players will get regular games:

Frampton
Long
McInnes
Macrae
Johnson
Sullivan
Allan
Markov

Pies need a miraculous injury run to contend, and with 14 x best-23 players 29yo+ and 6 of those 32yo+ it’s highly unlikely to happen. Father Time waits for no-one and the Pies list just isn’t deep enough with enough quality goalkickers to contend (oh what they’d do to have O. Henry and Ginnivan back and send Schulz back on a plane West.)

You forgot Parker, Ryan and DiMattia (or do you rate them?), and you do realise that both Frampton and Markov got regular games at Collingwood in a premiership year, don't you?

Your comment about the lack of quality goalkickers is laughable.

Give me a list with more players capable of kicking 20 plus goals a year than Collingwood (depending on where they play)?

The following players have kicked 20 plus goals at some stage of their careers:
Mihocek
Elliott
Membrey
McStay
Hill
Hoskin-Elliott
N. Daicos
Cox
De Goey
Schultz
Cameron
Johnson

With Lipinski, McCreery and J. Daicos having kicked in the high teens.

I've excluded Moore and Howe.

So let's exclude Johnson as I wouldn't expect him to play enough games, and Cox/Cameron as they will be shouldering the ruck work - which of the other 12 players named can you guarantee me will NOT kick 20 goals in 2025?

 

[Arr0w]

Now where have I seen this before.

While many sides "might" have a dozen players "capable" of kicking 20 goals a year, you'd be luck to have 7 players kicking 20 goals in a season

Pies of 2023 (plus 3 finals) only had 5 kick 20 goals

Lions 2024 (plus 4 finals) had 8, Cats 2022 (plus 4 finals) had 4

Most goals 2023 Lions ( plus 3 finals) had 7

And even though you might have 6 players kicked 20 goals in a season, about half don't back it up in the following year

Really is a meaningless claim and or factor, year to year

 

[Fadge]

Now where have I seen this before.

While many sides "might" have a dozen players "capable" of kicking 20 goals a year, you'd be luck to have 7 players kicking 20 goals in a season

Pies of 2023 (plus 3 finals) only had 5 kick 20 goals

Lions 2024 (plus 4 finals) had 8, Cats 2022 (plus 4 finals) had 4

Most goals 2023 Lions ( plus 3 finals) had 7

Really is a meaningless claim and or factor, year to year

Ah no, it's not.

It was in response to a poster's claim that Collingwood don't have depth in their goalkicking ranks, which is completely wrong.

I acknowledge we don't have the top end - players capable of kicking 50 plus goals, but I'm not sure there's another team in the competition with more depth if goalkickers than Collingwood.

It also means that if certain players go down, there are others to fill the void. A big reason as to why Membrey was brought in this year. Last year we had Mihocek and McStay as the structural pieces, who played 16 games between them (and none together). There's massive upside if we have two of McStay, Mihocek and Membrey available at any given time.

If Charlie or Harry go down, who kicks the goals for Carlton?

 

[doppleganger]

If Collingwood have a handful of injuries to best-23, the following players will get regular games:

Frampton
Long
McInnes
Macrae
Johnson
Sullivan
Allan
Markov

Pies need a miraculous injury run to contend,

When we won the flag in 2023

Markov played 23 games
Frampton played 16 games
A.Johnson played 15 games

The others you listed were kids or not on the list at the time.

Plenty of Pies fans actually including McInnes and Allan in best squads - with guys like WHE, Membrey, Cox and Titch left out as depth.

Father Time waits for no-one and the Pies list just isn’t deep enough with enough quality goalkickers to contend (oh what they’d do to have O. Henry and Ginnivan back and send Schulz back on a plane West.)

Not enough goal kickers?
Pies have plenty of options who are proven goal kickers who can avg 1.5 goals a game across a season and get the 30+ range.

 

[Arr0w]

Ah no, it's not.

It was in response to a poster's claim that Collingwood don't have depth in their goalkicking ranks, which is completely wrong.

I acknowledge we don't have the top end - players capable of kicking 50 plus goals, but I'm not sure there's another team in the competition with more depth if goalkickers than Collingwood.

It also means that if certain players go down, there are others to fill the void. A big reason as to why Membrey was brought in this year. Last year we had Mihocek and McStay as the structural pieces, who played 16 games between them (and none together). There's massive upside if we have two of McStay, Mihocek and Membrey available at any given time.

If Charlie or Harry go down, who kicks the goals for Carlton?

It's a meaningless debate, from the start.

While the last 3 flag winners have rated high for goal averages, it's not about 12 players able to kick 20 goals a year, as it will never happen under the current format, where the average is closer to 6 players

I don't see an issue with the Pies scoring power, it's whether you can keep the older forwards healthy and on the park

 

[Fadge]

While the last 3 flag winners have rated high for goal averages, it's not about 12 players able to kick 20 goals a year, as it will never happen under the current format, where the average is closer to 6 players

No shit, Sherlock.

But it's about having the depth of players to do so, given the inevitable injuries, variation in roles, etc.

I listed 12 players above who are capable of 20 plus goal seasons, and I'd challenge anyone to nominate 3 of those players who definitely WON'T kick 20 plus in 2025.

 

[doppleganger]

No shit, Sherlock.

But it's about having the depth of players to do so, given the inevitable injuries, variation in roles, etc.

I listed 12 players above who are capable of 20 plus goal seasons, and I'd challenge anyone to nominate 3 of those players who definitely WON'T kick 20 plus in 2025.

So everyone agreeing that the Tiger poster was talking rubbish.

 

[Arr0w]

No shit, Sherlock.

But it's about having the depth of players to do so, given the inevitable injuries, variation in roles, etc.

I listed 12 players above who are capable of 20 plus goal seasons, and I'd challenge anyone to nominate 3 of those players who definitely WON'T kick 20 plus in 2025.

Have already stated that the Pies have enough scoring power

4-5 of those players WON'T kick 20 goals H&A season, so it's a meaningless debate

 

[Fadge]

So everyone agreeing that the Tiger poster was talking rubbish.

Except CArr0w, which is no surprise.