Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

[Irish BlueBagger]

Collingwood players have won more Brownlows than Carlton players in our respective histories. So we beat you at that as well

You have also lost more grand finals than us so i guess that means that Collingwood are bigger losers than Carlton.

 

[Fadge]

You have also lost more grand finals than us so i guess that means that Collingwood are bigger losers than Carlton.

Indeed.

Because losing a Grand Final makes a team a far bigger loser than 'winning' a wooden spoon, or losing a lot more games during the season than a losing Grand Finalist...

'Carlton supporter logic'

 

[King Tut]

You have also lost more grand finals than us so i guess that means that Collingwood are bigger losers than Carlton.

No because you’ve “won” more than twice as many wooden spoons as us. That is the very definition of being a bigger loser.

 

[Robertio]

Carlton is in front this century it seems.

 

[Noidnadroj]

What absolute codswallop.

If that's the case, you can put a line through the 2025 premiership favourites right now.

Huh? Hipwood is 27yo and kicked 41 goals as far back as … last season - he’ll now get more opportunity with Joe gone. Cameron kicked 40+ this year and 50+ the 3 years prior to that. Then there’s Lohmann who kicked 36 goals in his first full season of footy this year.

Even Morris in his first season kicked 24 goals from 19 games as a 19yo. He won’t kick 40+
but he’s a load more talented and likely to kick goals than any young Pie forwards.

So I’d be backing in at least 2 of Hipwood, Cameron or Lohmann kicking 40+. I’m certainly a lot more confident any of them with kick 40+ than 32yo Mihocek and Elliott.



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[Fadge]

Huh? Hipwood is 27yo and kicked 41 goals as far back as … last season - he’ll now get more opportunity with Joe gone. Cameron kicked 40+ this year and 50+ the 3 years prior to that. Then there’s Lohmann who kicked 36 goals in his first full season of footy this year.

Even Morris in his first season kicked 24 goals from 19 games as a 19yo. He won’t kick 40+
but he’s a load more talented and likely to kick goals than any young Pie forwards.

So I’d be backing in at least 2 of Hipwood, Cameron or Lohmann kicking 40+. I’m certainly a lot more confident any of them with kick 40+ than 32yo Mihocek and Elliott.

The bottom line is that you need players who can hit the scoreboard.

The fact that you focussed on a team's top 3 goalkickers is flawed.

Who cares whether you have 6 players kick a bulk of your team's goals, with 1 player kicking 35% of them and the others shared amongst the other 5, or you have a more even spread across all 6 players.

The fact a team has more avenues to goal and aren't as reliant on one or two main goalkickers should be seen as a positive. It certainly hasn't hindered Collingwood, who have contended for the flag in 4 of the past 7 years, without having a 50 plus goal a year forward in any of that time.

 

[JustaBattler]

If , may,

LOL

 

[Fadge]

You can be lucky in every game, but you still won't win without skill.

Luck can come without even playing, look at Freo's last game, if they go into the last Game without 3 of their best missing, Carlton may not have played finals.

You can also be lucky in early December when the AFL release the following season's fixture.

 

[carlton_99]

You can be lucky in every game, but you still won't win without skill.

Luck can come without even playing, look at Freo's last game, if they go into the last Game without 3 of their best missing, Carlton may not have played finals.

If Carlton didn't have an injury list longer than the Nile (much more than 3) against St Kilda than that Freo game may have been a dead rubber. You can do this all day.

 

[LoungeLizard]

If Carlton didn't have an injury list longer than the Nile against St Kilda than that Freo game may have been a dead rubber. You can do this all day.

Exactly, it's quite funny how Carlton supporters cry about their injury list, yet it was injuries to another side that got them into finals.

Just lucky I suppose.

 

[carlton_99]

Exactly, it's quite funny how Carlton supporters cry about their injury list, yet it was injuries to another side that got them into finals.

Just lucky I suppose.

What sort of logic is this? Carlton had a more significant injury list than Fremantle in that week.

 

[LoungeLizard]

What sort of logic is this? Carlton had a more significant injury list than Fremantle in that week.

And you got "lucky"
Freo had injuries also.

Aren't we talking about luck here?

Ok let's look at it another way if everything needs to be explained to you.

You were unlucky with all the injuries you had, but got luck back on your side when injuries hit Freo.

 

[carlton_99]

And you got "lucky"
Freo had injuries also.

Aren't we talking about luck here?

Ok let's look at it another way if everything needs to be explained to you.

You were unlucky with all the injuries you had, but got luck back on your side when injuries hit Freo.

You can just go around in circles with this logic and everyone is "lucky" which is meaningless.

 

[Arr0w]

The bottom line is that you need players who can hit the scoreboard.

The fact that you focussed on a team's top 3 goalkickers is flawed.

Who cares whether you have 6 players kick a bulk of your team's goals, with 1 player kicking 35% of them and the others shared amongst the other 5, or you have a more even spread across all 6 players.

The fact a team has more avenues to goal and aren't as reliant on one or two main goalkickers should be seen as a positive. It certainly hasn't hindered Collingwood, who have contended for the flag in 4 of the past 7 years, without having a 50 plus goal a year forward in any of that time.

Getting somewhere now

While the Pies have talented forward options, being in their age group, it's more likely they "might" miss games compared to other finals contenders due injury / wear and tear

Like you mentioned here, and my previous posts, it's a pointless discussion regarding who can kick 20 goals a year

"Who cares whether you have 6 players kick a bulk of your team's goals, with 1 player kicking 35% of them and the others shared amongst the other 5, or you have a more even spread across all 6 players."

As I said, Pies don't lack fire-power

 

[Fadge]

Getting somewhere now

While the Pies have talented forward options, being in their age group, it's more likely they "might" miss games compared to other finals contenders due injury / wear and tear

Like you mentioned here, and my previous posts, it's a pointless discussion regarding who can kick 20 goals a year

"Who cares whether you have 6 players kick a bulk of your team's goals, with 1 player kicking 35% of them and the others shared amongst the other 5, or you have a more even spread across all 6 players."

As I said, Pies don't lack fire-power

No, I have never said it's a pointless discussion.

Because depth and spread of goalkickers IS vitally important.

But I understand why you as a Carlton supporter want to ignore it, given your next best 5 options for goalkickers after Charlie and Harry kicked 47 goals between them in 2024, and have had one 20 plus goal season between them in their careers.

 

[Worm4]

No, I have never said it's a pointless discussion.

Because depth and spread of goalkickers IS vitally important.

But I understand why you as a Carlton supporter want to ignore it, given your next best 5 options for goalkickers after Charlie and Harry kicked 47 goals between them in 2024, and have had one 20 plus goal season between them in their careers.

What was the average amount of games played amongst those players who contributed 47 goals , and were they full time forwards like Elliot and mihocek, or are the they players like Williams who ventured forward a half dozen times, or motlop who played 6 games ?

 

[Arr0w]

No, I have never said it's a pointless discussion.

I never said you did

Because depth and spread of goalkickers IS vitally important.

Agreed, but it doesn't have to be 12 players capable of kicking 20 goals, as we saw with the Pies in 2023 and 2024, it will never happen

But I understand why you as a Carlton supporter want to ignore it, given your next best 5 options for goalkickers after Charlie and Harry kicked 47 goals between them in 2024, and have had one 20 plus goal season between them in their careers.

But I understand why you as a Collingwood supporter want to ignore the fact it's not about how many plays can kick 20 goals, given each team structure is different and we still finished higher in 2024

 

[Fadge]

Agreed, but it doesn't have to be 12 players capable of kicking 20 goals, as we saw with the Pies in 2023 and 2024, it will never happen

For the 15th and last time, in suggesting a team has 12 players 'capable' of kicking 20 plus goals in a season, it is not a suggestion that all 12 will kick 20 plus goals in a given season.

Maybe if you can understand that concept, you might understand the statement.

 

[Arr0w]

For the 15th and last time, in suggesting a team has 12 players 'capable' of kicking 20 plus goals in a season, it is not a suggestion that all 12 will kick 20 plus goals in a given season.

You don't have 12 players "capable" of kicking 20 plus goals

Maybe if you can understand that concept, you might understand the statement.

Maybe if you can understand that concept, you might understand the statement.

 

[JustaBattler]

For the 15th and last time, in suggesting a team has 12 players 'capable' of kicking 20 plus goals in a season, it is not a suggestion that all 12 will kick 20 plus goals in a given season.

Maybe if you can understand that concept, you might understand the statement.

No ne has challenged teh quality of the quality of teh forward line or the spread of gol kicking ability at Collingwood Fudgee- I woud go so far as to say your defensive capability in teh back six is strong as well...

wont be enough to get over Carlton though ...

 

[Fadge]

wont be enough to get over Carlton though ...

'The intimidating force that is Carlton...'

LOLOL

 

[JustaBattler]

'The intimidating force that is Carlton...'

LOLOL

Inner fears revealed alomng with a nervous pretend laugh?

 

[Fadge]

Inner fears revealed alomng with a nervous pretend laugh?

Yep.

Terrified.

How could you not be about a team that has peaked at a 13 win home and away season?

LOLOLOL

 

[Arr0w]

I'm still in shock we didn't finish 13th or lower in 2023 and 2024

 

[Fadge]

I'm not in shock that Carlton are still yet to contend for a premiership despite more than 20 years of building and rebuilding.