Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4
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Robertio
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Is now is the correct term.
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Please tell us how Mitchells 2023 is "far better" than Hewetts 2022????????
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A borderline best 22 player is never better than a c grader if he cannot get a game every week in a side that finished 8th
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well one finished 4th in a best and fairest in a premiership year. and the other one... at least he is getting a decent pay cheque..
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Gonna need some serious Fudgelytics to explain this one...
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Looks like Titch really one upped Hewett by averaging slightly more tackles, free kicks and clangers for that year but being behind in every other department...
Well, I'm gonna put a dampener on it.
Firstly, this guy reckons hawks are likely contenders, but didn't mention any other teams apart from Syd or Bris so not so certain of his credibility.
That's not a dig at the hawks btw, just no mention of other more obvious could be contenders. like the blose or freo.
Secondly, it has an air of 'planets aligning' as far as the Pies are concerned, everyone in form and we'll be able to regain our ball movement because of it. No in depth of the how.
Yeah, for any team to flag the planets do have to align, as it did (not quite but nearly in our flag year) for us.
So if Moore, DG etc. regain form, McStay stays on the park, Membrey has impact, Houston is even better than JFN, injuries are minimal and favourably timely etc. then yeah we're heavy contenders.
But like for every other contender, they're collectively a big if.
"My God these Collingwood supporters are precious"
Any chance we focus on 2025, rather than what players did in 2023?
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he played 15 games vs 26 lol good one Walshy
Are you serious?
George Hewett finished 5th in the Carlton best and fairest, a team that finished 9th, and a fair way from the top few players. He didn't play any finals.
Mitchell finished 4th in the Collingwood best and fairest in 2023, in a blanket finish, in a premiership team. He was also one of our best finals players, and one of out best in a winning Grand Final.
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Eh... Wtf does that have to do with anything? One went down injured.
The football they produced that year is still night and day in Hewett's favour.
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he also got subbed off a lot when we were ahead to save himself cos of his age ,. good tactics, worked out in the finals dont you reckon?
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Which is why averages were used...
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uhh it means you are using different sample sizes. So he got a few possies early in the season. great. didnt help you in the end did he
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Hewett isnt a "borderline starting player" - in 2024 he was dropped once to VFL and made a sub once and when push came to shove - a choice between Kennedy and Hewett- Kennedy will now be playing on ball for the doggies. I'll miss 'chugga' but Hewett is a better mid. Hewett's only issue is a chronic back problem which comes and goes and effects his performance accordingly - he is a vital cog in the Carlton on ball brigade as seen by his 2024 video- often the bloke that gets ball and gives off to advantage - good awareness - one of the smarter Carlton players under pressure.
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complete garbage analysis. There are so many more factors to a season.
Robertio
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Some dickhead tried to make a HBF out of him when we had injuries, he's a B grader everyday of the week as a defensive mid.
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Fadge... Tell me how Titch was statistically "far better" than Hewett that year? One finished 5th in 15 games played, one finished 4th with 26 games played. Using BNF comparisons are a complete waste of time.
In the games they played Hewett was better than Titch in just about every aspect.
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whos spot is Jagga taking?
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Then argue that the stats are meaningless don't argue games played as a factor
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It is garbage analysis... From anyone claiming Hewett is a C grader lmao.
Kennedy
Draftguru applies a rating to all players on each list. WHE a B, same as Hewett.
Carl Coll split below, which aligns with your position - Pies have much better depth (18 B+/B graders compared to just 13).
And Carlton went kids (D grade) instead of trying to get some more depth in to support their top line stars.
Carl - Coll
1 A+ 1
4 A 3
3 B+ 5
10 B 13
8 C+ 5
3 C 8
13 D 8
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