Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

[Pistol Night]

Luke Sayers is definitely having a better 2025 than anyone

 

[South of the Yarra]

Lol, Tigers won 5 Grand Finals 67-80 with the shittest country zone of all time. And another 3 in the AFL era, with rule makers again trying to thwart us at every turn. Pastries have won 2 in all that time. You might have to go and sit at the 0-1-2 Grand Final wins in the television era table. There Pastries, Melbourne, Dogs, Saints can all pass your judgements on each other with a bit more confidence. Leave the big boys Hawks, Tigers, Blues to argue over the finer detail of country zones etc.

Anyway, thanks for finally recognising the uphill battle we faced in achieving those 8 Grand Final wins against all odds. I knew deep down there was a bit of Richmond man in you Dopple, you are way too resourceful to be a pure bred Collingwood supporter.

Uphill odds rofl. You had one of the biggest advantages in football history. You played finals and Grand Finals at your Home ground whilst being one of only two tenants there and you did not play Melbourne. Every Richmond flag in the late 60s, 70s and 80s has a massive *. Imagine if Finals and Grand Finals were played at Victoria Park or Princess Park during that era.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Uphill odds rofl. You had one of the biggest advantages in football history. You played finals and Grand Finals at your Home ground whilst being one of only two tenants there and you did not play Melbourne. Every Richmond flag in the late 60s, 70s and 80s has a massive *. Imagine if Finals and Grand Finals were played at Victoria Park or Princess Park during that era.

Lol, Waverley finals that era Collingwood won 6 of 13 finals there, 46% win rate. Failed to win 54%. 46/54 split against you.

Waverley finals Richmond lost just 3 of 10 finals there, 30% loss rate. Avoided loss 70%. 70/30 split out way.

Guess we must have also had "the biggest advantage in football history" when we played there as well.

MCG finals from when we moved there up to our last dynasty commenced 69% win rate. I guess when you are good at finals you are good at finals. And Collingwood are no good at finals.

 

[Arr0w]

Why do Tiger fans always want to turn every thread into a thread about the Tigers?

This is a thread where crusty old Bagger fans talk about the VFL glory days and Pies talk about recent wins over Carlton and 21st century premierships.

Occasionally there is also talk about 2025 lists and prospects too.

Who of Pies or Blues do you think will be better in 2025?

Ah yes, you deciding what period in the past is relevant

Custy indeed

 

[South of the Yarra]

Lol, Waverley finals that era Collingwood won 6 of 13 finals there, 46% win rate. Failed to win 54%. 46/54 split against you.

Waverley finals Richmond lost just 3 of 10 finals there, 30% loss rate. Avoided loss 70%. 70/30 split out way.

Guess we must have also had "the biggest advantage in football history" when we played there as well.

MCG finals from when we moved there up to our last dynasty commenced 69% win rate. I guess when you are good at finals you are good at finals. And Collingwood are no good at finals.

Nope just at the MCG you had the biggest advantage in football history. Big Finals played on your home ground where no one except a weak Melbourne at the time played. The most significant advantage along with Melbourne in the 50s and 60s in football history.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Nope just at the MCG you had the biggest advantage in football history. Big Finals played on your home ground where no one except a weak Melbourne at the time played. The most significant advantage along with Melbourne in the 50s and 60s in football history.

Blues fans will be very pleased you have admitted your 2 flags since they won their last have the biggest asterisks in history on them.

2010 18 MCG games
2023 17 MCG games

Average 17.5 MCG games

Tigers 2nd last dynasty 1967-80 flag years:

1967 11 MCG games
1969 14 MCG games
1973 14 MCG games
1974 11 MCG games
1980 11 MCG games.

Average 12.2 MCG games.


Massive self own by you SOTY.

Sorry to do that to you.

Lesson - don't fight wars on two fronts at the same time.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Blues fans will be very pleased you have admitted your 2 flags since they won their last have the biggest asterisks in history on them.

2010 18 MCG games
2023 17 MCG games

Average 17.5 MCG games

Tigers 2nd last dynasty 1967-80 flag years:

1967 11 MCG games
1969 14 MCG games
1973 14 MCG games
1974 11 MCG games
1980 11 MCG games.

Average 12.2 MCG games.


Massive self own by you SOTY.

Sorry to do that to you.

Nope not even close. You are wrong as Always. There is no MCG significant home grown advantage now due to the number of teams who play multiple games. So thanks for reinforcing that. Richmond have won 3 legitimate flags in their history and you know that. Richmond had it to themselves almost. Tigers, will they survive as a club or will we have to bail them out again.

 

[Pistol Night]

Blues fans will be very pleased you have admitted your 2 flags since they won their last have the biggest asterisks in history on them.

2010 18 MCG games
2023 17 MCG games

Average 17.5 MCG games

Tigers 2nd last dynasty 1967-80 flag years:

1967 11 MCG games
1969 14 MCG games
1973 14 MCG games
1974 11 MCG games
1980 11 MCG games.

Average 12.2 MCG games.


Massive self own by you SOTY.

Sorry to do that to you.

Lesson - don't fight wars on two fronts at the same time.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Nope not even close. You are wrong as Always. There is no MCG significant home grown advantage now due to the number of teams who play multiple games. So thanks for reinforcing that. Richmond have won 3 legitimate flags in their history and you know that. Richmond had it to themselves almost. Tigers, will they survive as a club or will we have to bail them out again.

Lol, one team(Tigers) playing 11 games per season at the MCG is the biggest advantage in history.

Another team(Pies) playing 18 games there per season - no advantage!

Just in case anybody doesn't realise, South of the Yarra is a Collingwood supporter, god bless him.

 

[Robroy22]

Lol, one team(Tigers) playing 11 games per season at the MCG is the biggest advantage in history.

Another team(Pies) playing 18 games there per season - no advantage!

Just in case anybody doesn't realise, South of the Yarra is a Collingwood supporter, god bless him.

How many teams were in the comp back then?

 

[Meteoric Rise]

How many teams were in the comp back then?

You don't know?

 

[Robroy22]

Blues fans will be very pleased you have admitted your 2 flags since they won their last have the biggest asterisks in history on them.

2010 18 MCG games
2023 17 MCG games

Average 17.5 MCG games

Tigers 2nd last dynasty 1967-80 flag years:

1967 11 MCG games
1969 14 MCG games
1973 14 MCG games
1974 11 MCG games
1980 11 MCG games.

Average 12.2 MCG games.


Massive self own by you SOTY.

Sorry to do that to you.

Lesson - don't fight wars on two fronts at the same time.

err....
due to the reduced sample size (i.e. only a 12 team comp during the Hafey dynasty) the 1967-1974 stats are pretty generous towards the argument that SOTY was making (i.e. that the Tiggy's had a pretty good home ground advantage over the other 10 Victorian clubs Melbourne being irrelevant at the time, particularly during finals)

The official stats for that period read like this:

Richmond FC 1967-1974.

1967: (12 team comp/ final four) 11/18 H+A games at MCG (then BOTH FINALS) Premiership

1969: (12 team comp) 11/20 H+A games at the MCG (then all three finals at the G) Premiership

1973: (Still only 12 teams) 10/22 H+A games at the MCG (then all 4 Finals at the G) Premiership

1974: (Still just 12 teams) 10/22 H+A games at the G. Then One final at Waverley and the Granny at the G. Premiership.

By 1980 it had been rectified a bit whereby the Tiges played 10/22 H+A at the G and 3 at Waverley.
You then played two finals at Waverley before returning to the G to belt us on your home ground in the granny.

Source: https://afltables.com/afl/teams/richmond/allgames


I'm pretty sure that interstate teams now feel the same way we did back then about venturing to the G for their chance at a flag, but nowadays with 4 co-tenants and multiple sides like Geelong, Carlton and Essendon pushing for extra games there the "home ground advantage in finals" aspect that Melbourne and Richmond exploited in the VFL era is no longer a thing.

 

[Chronz]

You don't know?

Oi Gout Gout. I've found out how you source your never ending statistical analyses.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

err....
due to the reduced sample size (i.e. only a 12 team comp during the Hafey dynasty) the 1967-1974 stats are pretty generous towards the argument that SOTY was making (i.e. that the Tiggy's had a pretty good home ground advantage over the other 10 Victorian clubs Melbourne being irrelevant at the time, particularly during finals)

The official stats for that period read like this:

Richmond FC 1967-1974.

1967: (12 team comp/ final four) 11/18 H+A games at MCG (then BOTH FINALS) Premiership

1969: (12 team comp) 11/20 H+A games at the MCG (then all three finals at the G) Premiership

1973: (Still only 12 teams) 10/22 H+A games at the MCG (then all 4 Finals at the G) Premiership

1974: (Still just 12 teams) 10/22 H+A games at the G. Then One final at Waverley and the Granny at the G. Premiership.

By 1980 it had been rectified a bit whereby the Tiges played 10/22 H+A at the G and 3 at Waverley.
You then played two finals at Waverley before returning to the G to belt us on your home ground in the granny.

Source: https://afltables.com/afl/teams/richmond/allgames


I'm pretty sure that interstate teams now feel the same way we did back then about venturing to the G for their chance at a flag, but nowadays with 4 co-tenants and multiple sides like Geelong, Carlton and Essendon pushing for extra games there the "home ground advantage in finals" aspect that Melbourne and Richmond exploited in the VFL era is no longer a thing.

Honestly, the argument that "it is the biggest advantage in football history" is what I was responding to.

It was undoubtedly a benefit to Richmond overall, especially financially, and allowing more of our supporters to attend games. It may have been something of an advantage come finals time, but not anything like playing finals at Punt Road would have been.

- Richmond's training base was not at the MCG, they never trained there, so we were at a disadvantage to all other teams during the home & away seasons, who got to host all their home games at the grounds they were training on

- Richmond were playing finals at the MCG against teams who regularly played multiple games per year at the venue.

1967 GF opponent Geelong played 5 games at the MCG that season.

1969 GF opponent Carlton played 4 games at the MCG that season.

1973 GF opponent Carlton played 4 games at the MCG that season.

1974 GF opponent North played 4 games at the MCG that season.

1980 GF opponent Collingwood played 5 games at the MCG that season.

Let's not pretend it is like teams having to play big finals against a team like Geelong at the Costa Zoo having played there once in the last 2 seasons and it is Geelong's training base as well.

Your Collingwood supporting colleague made a foolish point, I was just responding to that.


* By the way, in 1967 Richmond played 11 games at the MCG including the 2 finals, not 13 as you posted.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Oi Gout Gout. I've found out how you source your never ending statistical analyses.
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Lol, you just made that up.

Pretty cool post, I get it, double irony.

But thanks for calling me by my correct name. Meteoric Rise is just a made up forum name Chronz.

 

[Chronz]

Lol, you just made that up.

Pretty cool post, I get it, double irony.

Hey m7. You can't just deflect my factual statement about you back onto me. I get it though, it's hard to deny a teuth so obvious.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Hey m7. You can't just deflect my factual statement about you back onto me. I get it though, it's hard to deny a teuth so obvious.

Ok, post the fact or facts or stats you think I made up then we can discuss it.

Seems I gave your rascalion sense of humour too much credit Chronz.

 

[Elixuh]

Luke Sayers takes the early clubhouse lead for the might blue baggers. The balls now in Craig Kelly’s court to one up todays effort. Don’t let us down.

 

[Pistol Night]

Luke Sayers takes the early clubhouse lead for the might blue baggers. The balls now in Craig Kelly’s court to one up todays effort. Don’t let us down.

Disappointing that Ed never whipped out the trouser snake to help the club during his tenure. Amateur

 

[Fadge]

Luke Sayers takes the early clubhouse lead for the might blue baggers. The balls now in Craig Kelly’s court to one up todays effort. Don’t let us down.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

 

[JustaBattler]

Hands up everyone who has had their twitter aoount "hacked" recently...

 

[Arr0w]

"I'm investigating and will leave no stones unturned finding out who did this to me"

 

[Irish BlueBagger]

If Luke Sayers is any indication Carlton are in for a soft start to the season.


More maths.

Carlton have won 1 flag since their massive rort was shut down. That flag was won under a regime notorious for cheating the cap.

Blues not good enough to get near a flag unless the deck is stacked. Meanwhile to Pies are paying fir the whole show as we've done from the start.

As i've explained before Essendon 1993 are the only flag winning team that we know of, that were proven to be over the salary cap limit.

There was no salary cap in place for the years the bulk of our flags were won anyway.

 

[Cyclops]

As i've explained before Essendon 1993 are the only flag winning team that we know of, that were proven to be over the salary cap limit.

There was no salary cap in place for the years the bulk of our flags were won anyway.

Lol, the 1995 Carlton cleanskins won fairly? And Jack Elliots arse smells like roses I bet.