Who will be better in 2025 - Geelong or Hawthorn?

[Mr Meeseeks]

I do wonder how Sicily will go as a forward full time.

He started there right and did pretty well from memory?

Swinging him forward half way through a game is fairly different to having him start there as it has the element of surprise. Using Essendon as an example Hurley was awesome at times when swung forward late but he struggled when played as a permanent forward.

Sicily also grounds your whole defensive structure.

Could Battle be the first one tapped to go forward to cover Dear?

He wont need to be a full time fwd.

Battle, Hardwick and Weddle can also swing forward.

4 players who are very capable at either end along with Barass and Frost allowing for their freedom.

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[TheFourPillars]

Very much so, there’s way too many subjective assumptions built into modelling that is run by places like champion data but people just take it as fact.

What is a fact is that Hawthorn only had 5 wins against eventual top 8 sides during the home and away. Their results flattered them and I’m happy to die on that hill and my prediction that they will miss the 8. I look forward to someone bumping this irrrespective of whether I am right or wrong.

Yeah mate we weren't good enough last year we lost in the semi final. Port games were by less than a kick both times and once where we lead by 7 goals. We lost to Gws in a similar manner being 5 goals up at 3qtr time. Geelong and Sydney were the only teams that got a hold of us. Sydney played us in the first few rounds where we hadn't put it together yet. There is no doubt we weren't good enough last year as we were rushing to make the 8.

We shall see what next year reveals

 

[craffles]

Yeah mate we weren't good enough last year we lost in the semi final. Port games were by less than a kick both times and once where we lead by 7 goals. We lost to Gws in a similar manner being 5 goals up at 3qtr time. Geelong and Sydney were the only teams that got a hold of us. Sydney played us in the first few rounds where we hadn't put it together yet. There is no doubt we weren't good enough last year as we were rushing to make the 8.

We shall see what next year reveals

It’s a big year for the hawks. It’s by no means make or break as the list is very young but if they can kick on and improve versus this year who knows what the next 5 look like.

I’m a pessimist but I’m actually really keen to see how they go. I like how even the comp has become.

 

[Sewer de Lance]

The conversation would surely be more interesting if it involved Fremantle vs Hawthorn who should both be vying for Top 4 finishes. Geelong won’t get anywhere near them.

 

[Pistol Night]

The conversation would surely be more interesting if it involved Fremantle vs Hawthorn who will both be hard to beat next year. Geelong won’t get anywhere near those two next year.

Thats what we say every year and they keep coming back like a persistent telemarketer

 

[Romeoh1]

Thats what we say every year and they keep coming back like a persistent telemarketer

And Freo- are like the constant ‘next year’ that never comes.

 

[Pistol Night]

And Freo- are like the constant ‘next year’ that never comes.

We should schedule the Freo V Carlton GF for 2300

 

[SSSSSS]

That sucks. Back issues for key forwards can be a nightmare. Hopefully it's not a bad one like Hawkins in 2013 - he could barely move and I don't think the issue was managed well at all.

Sicily might start the season forward now? How is Mitch Lewis tracking?

I want to see Weddle play CHF.

I think he could play that Cameron role of running around like a headless chook where ever he wants dragging his opponent into no mans land and beating him on the way back inside 50.

 

[Pistol Night]

I want to see Weddle play CHF.

I think he could play that Cameron role of running around like a headless chook where ever he wants dragging his opponent into no mans land and beating him on the way back inside 50.

Would be awesome to give him those exact instructions to play that role and see what he comes up with. Hok Ball to the next level

 

[Gavin Excell]

And Freo- are like the constant ‘next year’ that never comes.

And next year Gold Coast makes the 8

 

[Pistol Night]

And next year Gold Coast makes the 8

Guy McKenna must be thinking "See ya campaigners it wasn't me"

 

[Sewer de Lance]

I’m all in on Freo, have the pieces in place to take them to the last Saturday of September.

 

[Mr Meow]

I’m all in on Freo, have the pieces in place to take them to the last day of September.

Except for coach and game plan.

 

[Back Pocket Rocket]

Very much so, there’s way too many subjective assumptions built into modelling that is run by places like champion data but people just take it as fact.

What is a fact is that Hawthorn only had 5 wins against eventual top 8 sides during the home and away. Their results flattered them and I’m happy to die on that hill and my prediction that they will miss the 8. I look forward to someone bumping this irrrespective of whether I am right or wrong.

Just out of curiosity. What was the record of the other top 8 teams against each other? 5 wins seems ok to me

 

[hawkman]

Just out of curiosity. What was the record of the other top 8 teams against each other? 5 wins seems ok to me

Not including finals

AFL Ladder 2024

AFL Ladder 2024.

www.footywire.com

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Not including finals

AFL Ladder 2024

AFL Ladder 2024.

www.footywire.com

So wait, Brisbane only had 3 wins against top 8 sides?

Wow

 

[hawkman]

So wait, Brisbane only had 3 wins against top 8 sides?

Wow

Yes during the H&A they only beat Sydney, Port and the Bulldogs. Lost twice to GWS and lost to Hawthorn, Geelong and Carlton.

They also lost twice to Collingwood and once to Freo who finished 9th and 10th

They went 3-8 against the top 10 and 11-1-0 against the bottom 8

 

[Vindicater]

So wait, Brisbane only had 3 wins against top 8 sides?

Wow

Much like every year. The team who gets hot at the right team wins it. Brisbane were a big chance of missing the finals completely at the half way point of the season.

Brisbane and hawthorn were the form teams going into the finals.

 

[Vindicater]

Hawthorn had a really good run of games that coincided with the easiest part of their draw which in turn built their confidence so that they were up and about for the harder games.

Hawthorn fans are optimistic (rightfully so) but there is something to being the hunted rather than the hunter.

The final against Port (due to their injuries and form despite being at home) was probably the first time the Hawks went in as the hunted team all season.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Yes during the H&A they only beat Sydney, Port and the Bulldogs. Lost twice to GWS and lost to Hawthorn, Geelong and Carlton.

They also lost twice to Collingwood and once to Freo who finished 9th and 10th

They went 3-8 against the top 10 and 11-1-0 against the bottom 8

In hindsight, getting Swans on GF day is a dream result for anyone.

 

[Pistol Night]

In hindsight, getting Swans on GF day is a dream result for anyone.

About time someone took the baton in this shit relay

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Brisbane and hawthorn were the form teams going into the finals.

Dogs were too. Pretty much why plenty said we’d not win a final.

 

[Pistol Night]

Dogs were too. Pretty much why plenty said we’d not win a final.

If Sicily kicked that goal like he usually would against Port Ken would he in witness protection in regional Argentina by now

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Hawthorn had a really good run of games that coincided with the easiest part of their draw which in turn built their confidence so that they were up and about for the harder games.

Hawthorn fans are optimistic (rightfully so) but there is something to being the hunted rather than the hunter.

The final against Port (due to their injuries and form despite being at home) was probably the first time the Hawks went in as the hunted team all season.

Yeah, nah.

Hawks played off in something like 8 straight elimination finals. This was the psyche that the group had “we have to win every week if we want to play finals, they are all elimination finals”. The group spoke about this at the time and again after it.

The idea that teams like Freo, Carlton, GWS and Collingwood who were all playing for finals/top 4 weren’t “hunting” Hawthorn in any way possible is off.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

In hindsight, getting Swans on GF day is a dream result for anyone.

Ironically not for Swans fans