Who will North, Essendon and Adelaide replace in the top 8 in 2014

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Competition between 4 and 12th is going to be so even next year its almost ludicrous to suggest that any team outside of Hawthorn and Fremantle are certainties for the top 4.

Richmond, Carlton, Essendon, Collingwood, North Melbourne, Port Adelaide are all so evenly matched its not funny. Hell even Gold Coast and West Coast are in the mix if we want to go down to 14.
  • Richmond were slaughted in the elimination final by the Blues, who also beat the Tigers in Round 21 by 10 points, but lost by 5 points in round 1
  • Carlton beat Port Adelaide in the last round by a point in the last round.
  • Carlton beat North Melbourne by a point in round 17.
  • Carlton beat Adelaide by 30 points in round 5
Both North and Adelaide finished behind Carlton in 2013. There is no logic behind the "Carlton are worse than these teams" comments being sprouted here. Not as good as Hawthorn, Geelong and Freo, maybe, but outside of last years top 3 or 4, its so very even.
 
Competition between 4 and 12th is going to be so even next year its almost ludicrous to suggest that any team outside of Hawthorn and Fremantle are certainties for the top 4.

Richmond, Carlton, Essendon, Collingwood, North Melbourne, Port Adelaide are all so evenly matched its not funny. Hell even Gold Coast and West Coast are in the mix if we want to go down to 14.
  • Richmond were slaughted in the elimination final by the Blues, who also beat the Tigers in Round 21 by 10 points, but lost by 5 points in round 1
  • Carlton beat Port Adelaide in the last round by a point in the last round.
  • Carlton beat North Melbourne by a point in round 17.
  • Carlton beat Adelaide by 30 points in round 5
Both North and Adelaide finished behind Carlton in 2013. There is no logic behind the "Carlton are worse than these teams" comments being sprouted here. Not as good as Hawthorn, Geelong and Freo, maybe, but outside of last years top 3 or 4, its so very even.

Should have beaten Essendon at least once ( even at their peak in rd11 we matched them convincingly) with accurate goal kicking and should have finished Port/North by more if it wasn't for inaccurate goal kicking and Port getting all their goals in the last quarter through blatant throws. North also lost to Adelaide, WC and GC ( Carlton smashed GC) which people seem to conveniently forget. Personally I thought Carlton were really mediocre last season ( happy with our list changes though) but we certainly weren't any worse then Adelaide and North.

Oh to whoever used North's game against Hawks as a example they should look at how badly our midfield thrashed the Hawks mids despite Robinson and Murphy been injured earlier in the same game.

http://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2013/12/carl-v-haw
Shows how little relevance that has to any discussion about who is better placed for next year.
 
Competition between 4 and 12th is going to be so even next year its almost ludicrous to suggest that any team outside of Hawthorn and Fremantle are certainties for the top 4.

Richmond, Carlton, Essendon, Collingwood, North Melbourne, Port Adelaide are all so evenly matched its not funny. Hell even Gold Coast and West Coast are in the mix if we want to go down to 14.
  • Richmond were slaughted in the elimination final by the Blues, who also beat the Tigers in Round 21 by 10 points, but lost by 5 points in round 1
  • Carlton beat Port Adelaide in the last round by a point in the last round.
  • Carlton beat North Melbourne by a point in round 17.
  • Carlton beat Adelaide by 30 points in round 5
Both North and Adelaide finished behind Carlton in 2013. There is no logic behind the "Carlton are worse than these teams" comments being sprouted here. Not as good as Hawthorn, Geelong and Freo, maybe, but outside of last years top 3 or 4, its so very even.


20 points is a 'slaughter' now?

And you wonder how people can twist interpretions after a comment like that.
 

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Slaughtered = killed off, like your finals campaign ie. I slaughtered a tiger. Not as in the definition used to describe a massacre.

So every (non qualifiying) finals loss is a slaughter now?
 
Competition between 4 and 12th is going to be so even next year its almost ludicrous to suggest that any team outside of Hawthorn and Fremantle are certainties for the top 4.

Richmond, Carlton, Essendon, Collingwood, North Melbourne, Port Adelaide are all so evenly matched its not funny. Hell even Gold Coast and West Coast are in the mix if we want to go down to 14.
  • Richmond were slaughted in the elimination final by the Blues, who also beat the Tigers in Round 21 by 10 points, but lost by 5 points in round 1
  • Carlton beat Port Adelaide in the last round by a point in the last round.
  • Carlton beat North Melbourne by a point in round 17.
  • Carlton beat Adelaide by 30 points in round 5
Both North and Adelaide finished behind Carlton in 2013. There is no logic behind the "Carlton are worse than these teams" comments being sprouted here. Not as good as Hawthorn, Geelong and Freo, maybe, but outside of last years top 3 or 4, its so very even.

But the bulldogs and saints beat Carlton, so how good are you?
 
When carlton last won the flag in 1995, we lost two games for the year - against the 15th placed Saints and the 16th placed Swans in consecutive weeks, we never lost another game for the rest of the season. Im arguing that the competition is more even than people think, not that carlton are exceptional.
 
But the bulldogs and saints beat Carlton, so how good are you?

And Richmond + North ( Carlton beat both of these teams) absolutely pummeled the Dogs? Didn't the Dogs beat Port, Adelaide and WC too? Its not like Bulldogs were that bad this year since the only teams that troubled them were the ones who took advantage of the Bulldogs complete lack of outside class e.g Collingwood and Richmond. Didn't have Bell, Gibbs ( on D Addison :) ), Carazzo or Robinson playing in the midfield against you guys due to various injuries and Judd did his pcl. No wonder that you bullied us in the last quarter. It wasn't like a unfit Murphy, Cachia, Mclean and Curnow were going to take on the Bulldogs mids with much chance of success.
 
Competition between 4 and 12th is going to be so even next year its almost ludicrous to suggest that any team outside of Hawthorn and Fremantle are certainties for the top 4.

Richmond, Carlton, Essendon, Collingwood, North Melbourne, Port Adelaide are all so evenly matched its not funny. Hell even Gold Coast and West Coast are in the mix if we want to go down to 14.
  • Richmond were slaughted in the elimination final by the Blues, who also beat the Tigers in Round 21 by 10 points, but lost by 5 points in round 1
  • Carlton beat Port Adelaide in the last round by a point in the last round.
  • Carlton beat North Melbourne by a point in round 17.
  • Carlton beat Adelaide by 30 points in round 5
Both North and Adelaide finished behind Carlton in 2013. There is no logic behind the "Carlton are worse than these teams" comments being sprouted here. Not as good as Hawthorn, Geelong and Freo, maybe, but outside of last years top 3 or 4, its so very even.

this. been trying to get this point across for a few yrs now.

draw, injury, depth even the timing when you strike a side, ie you might be lucky to strike say sydney in a form slump or with a lot of injury at the time.
imo even melbourne have some sort of claim to making finals if all goes well.

there are very few gimmies in this caper and as each yr of equalisation goes by and becomes more equal the more even the comp becomes. thats a little irish i know.
its not just the draft look at faciilities and spend on footy departments even debt it is slowly being eliminated it all makes for a more even comp and the gap is narrowing.

with nearly all clubs now useing the draft well and getting their fair share of decent players its a matter of developing those players properly and getting them thru the junior phase of their careers getting them to 50 - 100 games experience. getting them past 22yrs of age maturity getting 4 or 5 preseasons into their bodies.
 
hmm a like for like match up

jamison v rance. give me jamison thanks.
henderson v chaplin give me henderson. yes i think henderson should play in defense alas they need him forward. if you throw him forward hes better than vickery by a country mile.
waite - well hes better than any other tall forward we have outside of jack.
kruezer - well hampson has his role for us give me kruezer anyday. id take kruezer over vickery as well.
watson well hes a kid i think who has deficiencies. but hes just 21 and if at richmond head in the sand supporters like you would be lauding him.

what i dont get is its the off season why the disrespect why the open display of ignorance and dislike. surely at the least in the offseason we can be just abit analytical and fair minded and not let the dislike of a team cloud the judgment.

Ha I expected this!! Couldn't help yourself could you.;)
 
Competition between 4 and 12th is going to be so even next year its almost ludicrous to suggest that any team outside of Hawthorn and Fremantle are certainties for the top 4.

Richmond, Carlton, Essendon, Collingwood, North Melbourne, Port Adelaide are all so evenly matched its not funny. Hell even Gold Coast and West Coast are in the mix if we want to go down to 14.
  • Richmond were slaughted in the elimination final by the Blues, who also beat the Tigers in Round 21 by 10 points, but lost by 5 points in round 1
  • Carlton beat Port Adelaide in the last round by a point in the last round.
  • Carlton beat North Melbourne by a point in round 17.
  • Carlton beat Adelaide by 30 points in round 5
Both North and Adelaide finished behind Carlton in 2013. There is no logic behind the "Carlton are worse than these teams" comments being sprouted here. Not as good as Hawthorn, Geelong and Freo, maybe, but outside of last years top 3 or 4, its so very even.

I wouldnt call a 20pt win 'slaughtered'. Nice invective though. I do agree with the idea that thisear will be very tight for spots.
 

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Simpson would be great on the wing for North. Don't know who he would push out though and Mclean's a pure footballer who would kill it for North as he excels when he has bigger bodies supporting him. Top 10 for North would be a long bow to draw though.

I think, going by 2013 form, that Simpson would slot in Leigh Adam's role.
 
No one, adelaide and north wont make it as they are going backwards and Essendon (depending on ASADA) may be playing without points.

In what universe are North going backwards? In terms of ladder position we did but you'd have to be a fool to say that North of 2012 was a better side than North of 2013.
 
Ha I expected this!! Couldn't help yourself could you.;)

The troll is back?

Actually, that was one of his more reasonable comments...Normally he wouldn't have even had one Richmond player 'win' his position. (although you'll note he managed to avoid saying that).

Poor dear must have been devistated last year when we kept winning.
 
And Richmond + North ( Carlton beat both of these teams) absolutely pummeled the Dogs? Didn't the Dogs beat Port, Adelaide and WC too? Its not like Bulldogs were that bad this year since the only teams that troubled them were the ones who advantage of the Bulldogs complete lack of outside class e.g Collingwood and Richmond. Didn't have Bell, Gibbs ( on D Addison :) ), Carazzo or Robinson playing in the midfield against you guys due to various injuries and Judd did his pcl. No wonder that you bullied us in the last quarter. It wasn't like a unfit Murphy, Cachia, Mclean and Curnow were going to take on the Bulldogs mids with much chance of success.


Every team has injuries, we lost Clay Smith to an ACL during the year, we had Tutt, Wood and ex Carlton delist Austin playing to cover the loss of our other injured or sore players. Malthouse didn't use the injury excuse either, our coach was the one who graciously said it was injuries to your players to put a bit of salve on your hurt pride. :)
 
Every team has injuries, we lost Clay Smith to an ACL during the year, we had Tutt, Wood and ex Carlton delist Austin playing to cover the loss of our other injured or sore players. Malthouse didn't use the injury excuse either, our coach was the one who graciously said it was injuries to your players to put a bit of salve on your hurt pride. :)

You still had your top liners playing against an already weakened Carlton team that had three important players injured in the same game. It's no surprise that Carlton beat Richmond the week after when Bell, Robinson and Gibbs ( Mcinnes finally came back to allow him to move up the ground) added a bit of size to our midfield.

Also had no bench against the Saints in our first game with 4 players injured in the same game and the Saints having too much run for us because of it.

I still don't think the Bulldogs were this horrid team though. Although the Saints loss was just terrible due to us trying to play three rucks ( backfired spectacularly when our mids got injured)
 

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