Who's closer to a flag? Adelaide, Port Adelaide or Fremantle?

[Proper Gander]

I have been a freo supporter since late 2001- early 2002.

To be honest here, can you see freo win a flag between now and 2029? If so, what year?

I see freo having a 3-4 year run of finals in this middle part of the decade before going though another 5 year rebuild at the end of this decade. But thats my opinion.

When you support freo like I do, you have to tolerate the bad times and savor the few good moments that come.

So I will savour every final freo will play in this decade.... if we ever make finals.

You remind me of me. Apart from all your massive crazy stuff which is in a lot of posts

 

[Golumless]

Answer is clearly Port coming into 2022, but the door is about to slam shut on them if they don't strike this year. There are a couple of good kids floating around the place, but it's certainly a group that I'm questioning that if they have another run in them after multiple close, but not close enough years.

Adelaide and Fremantle are adrift at the moment, with Adelaide being 2-3 years behind Fremantle. Both are in the same situation though, the rough outline of a contender is there, it's just waiting on pieces to break out and take that next step. A dangerous period for a club, as 1-2 years of stagnation can easily end up meaning a club needs to hit the restart button. I'm rather optimistic that Fremantle will take that next step into a finalist this year though.

 

[Windy Cindy]

One flag was it? 18 years?
There will always be 119 reasons to love port.

or you could be raging favourites for a flag and lead by 3 goals early and lose by 8 goals and then implode and finish bottom 2 years later and follow that up with an impressive 2nd bottom.

howd that work for ya

oh and I forgot the stance.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

If Lukosius was playing for Adelaide and was out of contract you be asking for at least 2 1st rounders if he wanted to leave. What makes you think that the GC wouldn't demand the same? He would be close to the best player on your list if you got him. Easily top 3.

Not based on his current form.

Crazy analysis!

 

[Fadge]

Port Adelaide will win a flag within the next three seasons.

I expect this list will actually win multiple flags.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Lukosius for two firsts and Butts? Having a laugh surely.
He's out of contract. Likely only takes our first rounder this year.
Rankine on form is not worth a first. And also out of contract. I'm sure if both are available and want to go to the crows both will get there.

The list is plenty good. Time will prove it.

Butts is already worth more to the Crows than Luko.

No way we are trading our key defender for the next decade.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Port Adelaide will win a flag within the next three seasons.

I expect this list will actually win multiple flags.

They can't sack Hinkley under the current AFL rules.

 

[philthy05]

Port Adelaide will win a flag within the next three seasons.

I expect this list will actually win multiple flags.

I would hope so but demons and dogs will be hard to beat and we all have questions over hinkleys ability to get the team up.

A lot hinges on the ability of rozee and butters to stay on the park and be fit as they would add so much to our midfield that we are missing.

 

[Fadge]

Answer is clearly Port coming into 2022, but the door is about to slam shut on them if they don't strike this year. There are a couple of good kids floating around the place, but it's certainly a group that I'm questioning that if they have another run in them after multiple close, but not close enough years.

Adelaide and Fremantle are adrift at the moment, with Adelaide being 2-3 years behind Fremantle. Both are in the same situation though, the rough outline of a contender is there, it's just waiting on pieces to break out and take that next step. A dangerous period for a club, as 1-2 years of stagnation can easily end up meaning a club needs to hit the restart button. I'm rather optimistic that Fremantle will take that next step into a finalist this year though.

Suspect there is some Adelaide bias coming through here.

Port have some of the best youngsters in the game coming through - Georgiades, Butters, Rozee, Duursma.

Gray, Boak and Dixon will be sorely missed once they leave the game, but the elite kids will be the backbone of their next premiership tilt, and the subsequent tilt after a short reset.

 

[Sphynx]

Port Adelaide will win a flag within the next three seasons.

I expect this list will actually win multiple flags.

Nope.

Their best players are still their oldest and their rivals are only going to get better in the next year or two.

Think they are going to get trapped in no man’s land after Boak, Gray, Dixon etc retire.

 

[Sphynx]

Suspect there is some Adelaide bias coming through here.

Port have some of the best youngsters in the game coming through - Georgiades, Butters, Rozee, Duursma.

Gray, Boak and Dixon will be sorely missed once they leave the game, but the elite kids will be the backbone of their next premiership tilt, and the subsequent tilt after a short reset.

Duursma and Rozee are not two of the best kids in the game coming through.

Have a read what a lot of Port fans think of Duursma, they view him as trade bait in the next few years.

They were certainly promising in their rookie seasons but have stagnated since, Rozee particularly.

Butters and Georgiades I will give you, but most clubs (including Melbourne and the Dogs) have much more than 2 elite young players coming through and their senior players aren’t about to fall off a cliff.

 

[philthy05]

Duursma and Rozee are not two of the best kids in the game coming through.

Have a read what a lot of Port fans think of Duursma, they view him as trade bait in the next few years.

They were certainly promising in their rookie seasons but have stagnated sounds, Rozee particularly.

What port fans think duursma is trade bait? What are you reading? I’ve never seen that at all.

Also, rozee hasn’t stagnated, he’s been playing through some injury concerns. Mainly a foot issue.

 

[Fadge]

Nope.

Their best players are still their oldest and their rivals are only going to get better in the next year or two.

Think they are going to get trapped in no man’s land after Boak, Gray, Dixon etc retire.

Really?

Top 10 in their 2021 Best and Fairest:
1. Wines (26 yo)
2. Boak (33 yo)
3. Aliir (27 yo)
4. Amon (26 yo)
5. Jonas (30 yo)
6. Burton (24 yo)
7. Houston (24 yo)
8. Byrne Jones (26 yo)
9. Dixon (31 yo)
10. Lycett (29 yo)

So none of the four guns I mentioned earlier finished in their top 10 due to long term injuries, or in Georgiades' case he is still a developing key forward, who I predict will be one of the best in the game.

They are ripe to be serious contenders for the next 3 to 5 seasons at least.

 

[Arr0w]

Clearly Port are a contender for another year, but I rate the Crows youth highly, compared to Dockers and Port

 

[Fadge]

Have a read what a lot of Port fans think of Duursma, they view him as trade bait in the next few years.

What do Port fans think Duursma's trade value is?

 

[Sphynx]

What port fans think duursma is trade bait? What are you reading? I’ve never seen that at all.

Also, rozee hasn’t stagnated, he’s been playing through some injury concerns. Mainly a foot issue.

Really?

Top 10 in their 2021 Best and Fairest:
1. Wines (26 yo)
2. Boak (33 yo)
3. Aliir (27 yo)
4. Amon (26 yo)
5. Jonas (30 yo)
6. Burton (24 yo)
7. Houston (24 yo)
8. Byrne Jones (26 yo)
9. Dixon (31 yo)
10. Lycett (29 yo)

So none of the four guns I mentioned earlier finished in their top 10 due to long term injuries, or in Georgiades' case he is still a developing key forward, who I predict will be one of the best in the game.

They are ripe to be serious contenders for the next 3 to 5 seasons at least.

Butters is definitely the heir to Robbie Gray, but at this stage Georgiades is probably the only other one I think has the chance to be elite and then it will be as a Gunston/Darling third tall type.

Rozee and Duursma are/will be good players, but I don’t think they will ever be top 50 AFL players.

 

[Golumless]

Suspect there is some Adelaide bias coming through here.

Port have some of the best youngsters in the game coming through - Georgiades, Butters, Rozee, Duursma.

Gray, Boak and Dixon will be sorely missed once they leave the game, but the elite kids will be the backbone of their next premiership tilt, and the subsequent tilt after a short reset.

Not particularly, that's just the situation you're in. A generation who, for whatever reason (coaching, player quality, bad luck, w/e), has squandered two golden opportunities, with the last ending in a 14 goal humiliation at home. A club destroying event, if handled poorly, after all Hinkley is going to have to rebuild trust with a group that's been burnt repeatedly, and it does not take much for a club to regress.

You won't hit the depths us and Fremantle hit, if you do regress, due to Butters and Georgiades but it's going to take a hell of a coaching effort to pick you up in '22. Rozee and Duursma look like solid squad players at this point, but they're nothing to write home about, especially with the lack of improvement production wise in the last two years. That said, at least both are good enough to be bankable 100-200 gamers at worst case.

 

[philthy05]

Nope.

Their best players are still their oldest and their rivals are only going to get better in the next year or two.

Think they are going to get trapped in no man’s land after Boak, Gray, Dixon etc retire.

What of ports best players are our oldest?

Ports best players last year as recognised by the league with their all-aus squad were wines, Amon and Alir.
Those players are all aged 27 and under.

Dbj and butters made the all-aus the year before and have many years ahead.

boak and Dixon are the only seniors that we relied on whatsoever last year.

Gray has been cooked for several years now and we’ve done alright. Jonas has a few players breathing down his neck for his spot next year. We’ve got heaps of depth for his spot.

boak and Dixon are the only key older guys playing for us that leave holes when they go, and we’ve got 2 young key forwards ready to go and a bunch of young mids nearing 50 games that could explode soon.
The biggest risk to ports continued premiership hopes isn’t the retirement of our seniors, it’s the physical health of our young tyros (in particular rozee and butters).

 

[Fadge]

Not particularly, that's just the situation you're in. A generation who, for whatever reason (coaching, player quality, bad luck, w/e), has squandered two golden opportunities, with the last ending in a 14 goal humiliation at home. A club destroying event, if handled poorly, after all Hinkley is going to have to rebuild trust with a group that's been burnt repeatedly, and it does not take much for a club to regress.

You won't hit the depths us and Fremantle hit, if you do regress, due to Butters and Georgiades but it's going to take a hell of a coaching effort to pick you up in '22. Rozee and Duursma look like solid squad players at this point, but they're nothing to write home about, especially with the lack of improvement production wise in the last two years. That said, at least both are good enough to be bankable 100-200 gamers at worst case.

I'm not a Port Adelaide supporter...

 

[Fadge]

Not one but two premiership in that time frame. They have now Built to fall.
What why should have said we make finals next year wouldn’t be as much blow back

It's going to be interesting to see a dozen different teams win 1 tor 2 premierships each in the next five years, if their 5 year plans come to fruition

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Suspect there is some Adelaide bias coming through here.

Port have some of the best youngsters in the game coming through - Georgiades, Butters, Rozee, Duursma.

Gray, Boak and Dixon will be sorely missed once they leave the game, but the elite kids will be the backbone of their next premiership tilt, and the subsequent tilt after a short reset.

Where was the bias in a post which said Port were currently clearly ahead of Adelaide from a Crows supporter?

Take out players over 30 years old from both sides & it is a closer situation.

Port have some key players who will retire over the next few years & can't be easily replaced. Gray & Boak have been 2 of their best every players. Jonas & Dixon are very important to their structures.

 

[philthy05]

Rozee and Duursma look like solid squad players at this point, but they're nothing to write home about

If rozee and duursma are only “solid squad players” what would you call the crows youth not named thilthorpe?

 

[Sphynx]

What of ports best players are our oldest?

Ports best players last year as recognised by the league with their all-aus squad were wines, Amon and Alir.
Those players are all aged 27 and under.

Dbj and butters made the all-aus the year before and have many years ahead.

boak and Dixon are the only seniors that we relied on whatsoever last year.

Gray has been cooked for several years now and we’ve done alright. Jonas has a few players breathing down his neck for his spot next year. We’ve got heaps of depth for his spot.

boak and Dixon are the only key older guys playing for us that leave holes when they go, and we’ve got 2 young key forwards ready to go and a bunch of young mids nearing 50 games that could explode soon.
The biggest risk to ports continued premiership hopes isn’t the retirement of our seniors, it’s the physical health of our young tyros (in particular rozee and butters).

Boak is still for large chunks of seasons your best player.

I don’t really see a replacement coming through for him, Butters I guess, but they aren’t really similar.

I think a mini rebuild will be coming as early as the end of next season.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Really?

Top 10 in their 2021 Best and Fairest:
1. Wines (26 yo)
2. Boak (33 yo)
3. Aliir (27 yo)
4. Amon (26 yo)
5. Jonas (30 yo)
6. Burton (24 yo)
7. Houston (24 yo)
8. Byrne Jones (26 yo)
9. Dixon (31 yo)
10. Lycett (29 yo)

So none of the four guns I mentioned earlier finished in their top 10 due to long term injuries, or in Georgiades' case he is still a developing key forward, who I predict will be one of the best in the game.

They are ripe to be serious contenders for the next 3 to 5 seasons at least.

They have Hinkley as coach though...

 

[Sphynx]

If rozee and duursma are only “solid squad players” what would you call the crows youth not named thilthorpe?

As a neutral, I’d have Sholl and Schoenberg on level pegging with Duursma and Rozee.