Who's closer to a flag, Fremantle or West Coast?

[Sweet Jesus]

And you believe that rating ?

I believe they are rated "elite" according to Champion Data.

Are you asking a different question?

 

[Freomaniac]

Kennedy
Shuey
Yeo
Hurn
Naitanui
McGovern

All elite in their respective positions, as rated by Champion Data.

Interesting list. Surprised Hurn is considered elite. I would of thought gaff would of been on that list over Hurn to be honest.

 

[Fyfster]

Interesting list. Surprised Hurn is considered elite. I would of thought gaff would of been on that list over Hurn to be honest.

Goes on position , So easier to get in as a back pocket than a midfielder.And Gaff would not be considered top 10% midfield. The interesting fact is although West coast have 6 elite ranked players , The equal highest!with Sydney (i think) They are ranked the 13th list overall which doesn't say much about the rest.

 

[Forward Press]

Interesting list. Surprised Hurn is considered elite. I would of thought gaff would of been on that list over Hurn to be honest.

As Fyfster stated it is by position. There is little argument that Hurn is one of the top HBFs in the competition.

Gaff is meh, there are plenty of good outside midfielders. There isn't a separate Champion Data category for wingmen, you're either an outside or inside midfielder.

 

[Forward Press]

And you believe that rating ?

You can believe what you want to believe.

I've been on the record in the ladder prediction thread that Champion Data employ dozens of people to watch games closely and track all sorts of stats but in the end they are just that - stats.

Make up your own mind but they are more well equipped and resourced than the average BigFooty keyboard warrior, that's for sure. They will get things wrong but they will get less things wrong than the average fan.

 

[The Joker]

Their ratings are;
Elite.
Above average.
Average.
Below Average.
Unclassified.

Fremantle have 1 elite player and according to CD, they have the weakest best 22, nothing was said about The Eagles!


Champion Data compares players in the same position and age categories over a number of years to give each a relative rating, which then determines the strength of a club's list.

afl.com.au

 

[ArdentEagle]

So potentially you see the top four as something like Adelaide, Geelong, Sydney and West Coast? Seriously I think you are way off the mark, if the Eagles make the eight they will have performed beyond expectations imo.

I'm a blind optimist mate, I'll happily admit to that.

I do expect Sheed to take the next step up.
Players like Watson, Ryan and even Ah Chee now as he'll have some positional reliability will surprise people and will be more than solid.

Both Rioli and Waterman really excite me talent wise but who knows.

I think we'll surprise a lot of people.
Then again, I think the Hawks will this year too.

 

[peppy la pew]

You can believe what you want to believe.

I've been on the record in the ladder prediction thread that Champion Data employ dozens of people to watch games closely and track all sorts of stats but in the end they are just that - stats.

Make up your own mind but they are more well equipped and resourced than the average BigFooty keyboard warrior, that's for sure. They will get things wrong but they will get less things wrong than the average fan.

I guess I should've said " Do you agree with that rating"

Anyway interesting reading that you have 6 Elite players in the 22, no excuses this year then

 

[Forward Press]

I guess I should've said " Do you agree with that rating"

Anyway interesting reading that you have 6 Elite players in the 22, no excuses this year then

No.

All 22 of our first team should be rated elite.

/sarcasm

Individuals don't win flags, teams do.

Having six elite players is great and all but if the other 16 are bog average you aren't going to win many games. None of us realistically expect a flag tilt this year and using the Champion Data ratings of six of our players to pot your rivals is just disingenuous.

 

[Freomaniac]

Also Freo are poop

Yet your team lost to them twice in 2017

 

[Freomaniac]

It’s funny that Fremantle fans really can’t handle the thought that WC are in a better position than they are.

To be Brutally honest. I don't care about how the eagles go. I am more concerned about Freos rebuilding process. Oh and as far as missing out on finals in 2017, It wasn't the west coast vs crows game that cost your mob finals or your teams los vs Collingwood in the final round. I say it was that 2 point loss to Freo was the game that hurt the most

 

[Carson Dial]

Yet your team lost to them twice in 2017

So the only thing worse than poop by definition is... North Melbourne..makes sense

 

[Freomaniac]

Brisbane flogged freo by 9 goals I believe also.
The optimism is pretty baffling.

only Judging freo on one bad game? Seriously.

Not 3 over 100 + points and a 9 goal bollocking from the wooden spooner.

Freo are meant to be 1 year ahead in their rebuild.

Freo fans accept this kind of result way too easily.

I saw that game live. Some of those players were in Holiday mode. Week after that was the bye.

I love how you bring up the negatives. Why don't you post all the close games decided by under a goal freo were involved?

Over 2016-17 Freo were only better than Brisbane.

Second worst side in the comp.

It's a long way back from there.

Funny you are only going by the 2016-7 period. Anyway to post Freo in a weak light. Over the 2012-15 period, was freo a bottom 2 team?

As far as your little comment on saying Freo has along way to go. I don't think they are as bad as some people think. I will enjoy this rebuild way more than 2008-9.

Speaking of 2008, I will ram this down everyones throats again. Freo had the oldest list in the AFL and had 6 wins and 16 los and finish 14th. The only had 7 players aged 23 or under.

As for those blokes that were aged 23 or under in 2008, they were guys like Rhys Palmer, Chris Mayne, Clayton Hinkley, Rob Warnock, Garrick Ibbotson, Marcus drum and my personal favourite, Brock "Lesnar" O'brien.

 

[Freomaniac]

Your percentage was 0.1% better than the worst in the competition - Brisbane, the wooden spoon side.

You cannot be happy with that, surely. A few close wins masked how ugly it got when it became a loss. I believe 3 100 point losses in a season is a record for Freo and a Ross Lyon coached side.

Obviously things could get better and I believe you will as your youth get experience but I am sure you'd prefer to have been eighth and win a final rather than - well, what happened in 2017 to Freo.

Now you said some close 2017 wins masked how ugly it got when it became a loss. Partially true.

Again.... compare freo 2016 stats to 2017 stats.

2016: 4 wins 18 defeats.
2017: 8 wins 14 defeats.

That cold hard win/loss record alone says freo improved regardless of close wins.

Speaking of Close games....

2016: Lost to Carlton by 4 points
Lost to Cats by 17 points
Lost to GWS by 18 points, All 3 were at Subi.

2017: Beat the dogs by 16 at Subi
Beat the Demons by 2 points at the MCG
Beat North by 5 points at Subi
Beat the Tigers by 2 points at the MCG

Lost to the Magpies by 20 points at Subi.
Lost to the cats by 2 points in Geelong
Lost by the saints by 9 points at subi
Beat North by 4 points at docklands
Lost By GWS by 12 points in NSW

Again you say Freo won some close wins to Partially mask some of freos heavy defeats including those 100 point defeats.

Those results Alone decided by 20 points or less proved that freo in2017 was more competitive than the freo team in 2016.

 

[demondavey]

To be Brutally honest. I don't care about how the eagles go. I am more concerned about Freos rebuilding process. Oh and as far as missing out on finals in 2017, It wasn't the west coast vs crows game that cost your mob finals or your teams los vs Collingwood in the final round. I say it was that 2 point loss to Freo was the game that hurt the most

Why bring Melbourne into it? What’s this thread got to do with Melbourne?

 

[Fyfster]

How bout we do this fyfster. combined 2018&2019. We make a bet. Eagles win more games than dockers, you have to have a sig saying that im right and the eagles rule the west. Dockers win more games in the next 2 seasons i'll do the same. Happy to make the bet with any dockers supporters.

The only difference will be that i don't want you to do the same . I want you to say that Fyfester was right and the Dockers rule the west

 

[Coaster2012]

And you believe that rating ?

Why wouldn't you?

Kennedy is obviously elite
Yeo was AA
Mcgovern was AA and one of the best defenders in the league
NN is AA calibre when fit and firing
Shuey is our best midfielder.
Hurn the only one touch and go.

 

[Kram]

Calling Hurn elite is not 'touch and go', it's comical.

 

[salim malik]

Natanui classed as elite after 18 months out of the game . Some ones having a lend of the footy .population

 

[Coaster2012]

Natanui classed as elite after 18 months out of the game . Some ones having a lend of the footy .population

You don't know how statistics work do you? Statistics are based on historical data and historically he has been elite. They aren't based on what you think may or may not not happen in the future.

 

[Woobla Stainz]

Natanui classed as elite after 18 months out of the game . Some ones having a lend of the footy .population

Goes off their last 40 games so it Is true in that regard but also misleading as it doesn't take into account injures and time on the side lines. When Nic Nat returns he won't be elite so that takes us down to potentially 5 elite players if their form stays at the same level.

 

[Coaster2012]

Calling Hurn elite is not 'touch and go', it's comical.

Depends what elite is to you. Is elite the 10 up forward? top 10 down back? 10 in the middle? Then only 30 are elite in the entire league. If it's top 20, then Hurn is elite.

Ranked 16th in Total Marks
Ranked 18th in Total Rebound 50s
Ranked 16th in Total Intercepts
Ranked 6th in Effective Disposals % Per Game

 

[The Joker]

Prove to me Freo are not poop.

GO ON!

This has nothing to do with Fremantle, you quoted and spoke directly about that person's post!

In fact, nothing you have posted in here resembles anything near a reasonable opinion or response, not one ****ing thing!

What exactly is your M.O.?

 

[Impunity!]

This has nothing to do with Fremantle, you quoted and spoke directly about that person's post!

In fact, nothing you have posted in here resembles anything near a reasonable opinion or response, not one ******* thing!

What exactly is your M.O.?

I have posited my hypothesis twice now, that Fremantle are poop.

 

[maskmcgee]

West Coast have a old useless team. Fremantle have a young useless team. Clearly Fremantle.