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Good point, but a punch can kill you
Why are we not talking about this?
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That for me is the worst part. You'll always get some ferals in a crowd, their actions are unacceptable but the other comments relate to an unsafe workplace. Many of the complaints relate to coaches and other umpires. No one wants to be in a small change room while Grandpa changes his undies and see the hairy agates swinging, especially a young female umpire who's already overheard male colleagues commenting on her ****.
Fix the workplace issues, make it a safe and welcoming place for umpires of all genders then the crowd issues come second IMO. You can't stop people getting upset at (what they perceive is) dodgy umpiring decisions but a bit of education at what is appropriate and what is not would be helpful.
eg, threatening to rape or physically assault an umpire or a family member clearly isn't appropriate.
physical assault often accompanies rape and more rarely rape can also lead to death. there are also other unfortunate consequences like pregnancy which rapes victims also have to deal with
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And suicide
Pregnancy can be fixed with a simple medical procedure, the psychological trauma of being r*ped (and potentially terminating a pregnancy) aren't so easily fixed
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Sure, but people whose ethics prohibit them from said medical procedure also get r*ped. That puts them in an awful bind, beyond the immediate trauma of it all. Innumerable horrible flow-on effects
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bottom line is that there are too few umpires. Pre covid, I went down to keep a family member company while they goal umpired at D grade or E...and it was not bad money...pretty easy money too...cash in hand.... doesnt affect the dole. And the central umpires do a lot better money wise. It makes you think why there isn't a queue to get the gig...I looked at the youngsters doing it and the fat argumentative full forwards and it looked pretty obvious..
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The primary issue raised by the report in question is not umpire abuse it is sexism.
Much of the sexism and actual sexual abuse exposed was actually from fellow umpires.
It is dishonest and pointless to conflate two separate issues of sexual abuse and umpire abuse..
I am 100% against sexism and sexual abuse.
AFL Umpires (male or female, or non-binary for that matter) who are obviously incompetent get exactly what they deserve in relation to abuse for that incompetence.
No amount of AFL BS, umpire respect round etc etc will ever convince me that shitness deserves respect.
That said I would never abuse an umpire in a lesser grade, unless I was on the ground as a player, and then I would take my whack if it was coming.
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Why? If you ****ed up at your work would you think it fair for people you call you things like 'maggot' and 'scum'? I like that you think human decency = AFL BS.
I have tried my best to no longer play the man (or umpire) since the end of last year, because I came to the realisation that it was just me being a childish campaigner with no control over my emotions.
The abuse of male umpires can be as cutting and personal as that directed at females, we just don't care about it. Why is the questioning of one's sexuality, threats of a beating or comments about a male umpire's physical features or perceived flaws any less threatening or demeaning than abuse meted out to female umpires?
I am sick of the gender empathy gap. Why do we need to categorize abuse or place it on a sliding scale? How about condemning all abuse of umpires and all violence directed against any person?
I am sick of the gender empathy gap. Why do we need to categorize abuse or place it on a sliding scale? How about condemning all abuse of umpires and all violence directed against any person?
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We get it, you hate women. Everybody is aware of that
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Maybe the AFL should have had an add campaign 10 years ago when the problem really started to come to light. The AFL are too busy pumping money into fruitless enterprises like GC and GWS to do anything about a serious problem. They should have Scholarships and purpose built training facilities for Umpires. They should also make it a full time profession and model it as a career choice. Never been an umpire abuser all my playing career and beyond, just never saw the point of arguing. More boundry security at local games would be good also, so they can immediately kick out an offender. Time to put more revenue into these things rather than Expansion clubs
L post.
Males umpires being threatened with a beating is not as bad as a female umpires being threatened with rape? Did you get the slide rule out to gauge the offensiveness levels of each form of abuse? I've never heard a word of abuse of this nature directed at any umpires after decades of watching suburban footy. I'd like to know where these incidents are taking place.
Can we please just suggest we show empathy and compassion for all umpires regardless of gender and that covers all forms of potential abuse. Why do we have to break everything down into gender? We are all human. Treat everyone you encounter with courtesy and all will be well.
This is the simple truth. I am sick of the desperate need to make everything an issue which can be promoted as another example of our rampant sexism when its actually something that males have been enduring for decades. Sadly, while it was just males being threatened and abused it never really bothered anyone until very recently. It makes one wonder if the sudden push for respect and punishing of dissent is being promoted because females are entering the sphere that was once a male only domain.
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Predictable, predictably ridiculous.
The only thing which surprises me is that you're not out and about to celebrate the leaked judgment to overturn Roe v Wade.
A more accurate choice would be choosing between a severe bashing and being r*ped. Both horrific. But to pretend one is somehow far more heinous than the other is a pointless exercise.
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Jesus ****in christ
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It really is no wonder at all why our fanbase has the reputation it does, is it? We've got ****wits in here trying to tell women that they don't actually have it as bad as they think they do - men have it just as tough!
Sure, men kill women at an insanely disproportionate rate and women are left behind in various ways as a society... but according to white boomer Collingwood supporter #39482, we should actually do more for men's issues! They're the real victims!
God give me strength.
Sure, men kill women at an insanely disproportionate rate and women are left behind in various ways as a society... but according to white boomer Collingwood supporter #39482, we should actually do more for men's issues! They're the real victims!
God give me strength.
I'm proud to know my response to the abuse of men and women is to condemn and abhor both.
The only difference between you and me is I feel compassion for every person who is abused or demeaned. I don't have any conditional compassion/empathy which is dependent upon the genitals of the victim. I am happy to stand by that value system.
Both my son and daughter were victims of vicious street assaults which left them scarred for life. Do you think I shed more tears or felt more pain over the assault of my daughter? What sort of sick person treats human beings differently based upon their gender?
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well said domie.... thank god you're here. We havent had the vikings invade suburban footy yet....
but we need umpires in the lower ranks and we need to make them feel that they're loved and appreciated....much like we feel about you.
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Unfortunately, people like dom dom are their own special category of crazy, beyond club affiliation and beyond help.
Life hasn't been good for these folk since the dastardly Whitlam years and the second wave of feminism and the Family Law Act. It's all gone a bit too far, it seems.
The real victims are men. We built stuff and conjured capitalism and we protected women from the beasts and from their own debased inclinations, and how do they repay us? By telling us that we're part of the problem!
The thread was about the abuse of female umpires. It was presented as some kind of uniquely horrific abuse. Some posters, including me simply asked why the threats male umpires endure are any less abhorrent and you leap to saying I am the reason the Collingwood fanbase has such a terrible reputation. What upsets you so much? What is wrong with asking for the same level of concern for men and women?
You are the poster boy for knee jerk BS responses the moment someone dares to suggest we show the same compassion for men and boys as we do women and girls.
You bring race into the discussion too. What sort of bigot does that? How do you know what colour I am any way?
You are the person with a problem.
You need all the strength God can give you.
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if i may intervene for a second, domie, I think there might be differences in the experiences between male and female umpires. The report indicated that males -either players or in the crowds were making inappropriate comments or sending dick flicks or generally making the women umpires feel uncomfortable while they went about their duties.....
now i'm not sure if too many male umpires get pics of various female parts in the course of their duties....
and, as in the bumping matters, the outcome is the focus. Not enough female umpires are coming forward and many are leaving the ranks......and it should be said that many male umpires are leaving the ranks too....
so there are similar problems between the sexes but females do have some special cases...
