Society/Culture Why do less intelligent people gravitate to conservative/right wing ideology.

[Mofra]

The Daily Mail article reports upon a study by Gordon Hodson, a psychologist at Brock University in Ontario, Canada. (another Canadian Academic Psychologist but without a youtube presence). He looked at data from 2 UK studies testing child development. The subjects were
(a) 4,267 boys and 4,537 girls born in 1958;
(b) 3,412 boys and 3,658 girls born in 1970.

The tests were of
(c) verbal and non verbal intelligence; and
(d) cognitive abilities (number recall, shape-drawing tasks, defining words and identifying patterns and similarities among words).

In both surveys, 23 years later, the same groups were asked to answer a series of questions about traditions, authority and attitudes toward other races. Hodson then postulated a definition of conservatism which is undefined but looks to be based upon attitudes towards Authority and other races and concluded that low-intelligence adults tend to gravitate toward socially conservtive ideologies.

I’d very cautious about accepting the conclusions drawn by Grin and his gaggle of applauders from the article helpfully posted by Mofra

So would I.

Here's a meta-analysis that's far more wide ranging.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/55893129.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiZksKNiq38AhWmwjgGHVyFAdQQFnoECC0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2xHhvNmp4MW8yHxMsywA_c

There is a significant body of work on the subject. Assuming the entire concept is based off a single study is folly.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Minority/disadvantaged groups often have opposing 'rights'.

For example, Muslim v LGBTQIA+ and transexual v female. Much of the left tie themselves in knots trying to be inclusive.

Are you going to pretend the right wingers are trying to exclude nazis?

 

[evolved2]

Are you going to pretend the right wingers are trying to exclude nazis?

I guess it depends how you define "right wingers". The far right are nuts.

 

[kranky al]

Minority/disadvantaged groups often have opposing 'rights'.

For example, Muslim v LGBTQIA+ and transexual v female. Much of the left tie themselves in knots trying to be inclusive.

There's no knot.


Its just that conservatives are binary creatures - simple souls

Yes/ no
Good / bad
Man/ woman
White / black
Muslim / Christian

Where on the left we can hold conflicting thoughts in our head and prioritise them. We can see nuance.

Example: we see a muslim man being called an ethnic slur blah blah and we can say “that’s wrong, leave him alone” if that same muslim man then kicks off on gay folk we can also tell him to shut his face and pull his head in.

And heres the tricky bit, we can also not lose our shit that someone we defended then went and did something bad. We dont have to take from this that all muslims are bad, we think what that particular muslim did was bad.

That’s complex and has conservatives a little puzzled and they feel like its a bit like they are tying themselves in knots trying to deal with this non binary situation when all it requires is a little more thought.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Which minorities do I exclude, and what do I seek to exclude them from?

Poor people. You want to exclude them from private schools.

 

[evolved2]

Poor people. You want to exclude them from private schools.

The minority aren't poor.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

The minority aren't poor.

The majority are middle class and higher.

 

[evolved2]

There's no knot.


Its just that conservatives are binary creatures - simple souls

Yes/ no
Good / bad
Man/ woman
White / black
Muslim / Christian

Where on the left we can hold conflicting thoughts in our head and prioritise them. We can see nuance.

Example: we see a muslim man being called an ethnic slur blah blah and we can say “that’s wrong, leave him alone” if that same muslim man then kicks off on gay folk we can also tell him to shut his face and pull his head in.

And heres the tricky bit, we can also not lose our s**t that someone we defended then went and did something bad. We dont have to take from this that all muslims are bad, we think what that particular muslim did was bad.

That’s complex and has conservatives a little puzzled and they feel like its a bit like they are tying themselves in knots trying to deal with this non binary situation when all it requires is a little more thought.

I think you're overestimating the intellectual capabilities of the left and underestimating the intellectual capabilities of the right. It's beyond the scope of this thread to bring examples up for discussion so I'll leave it there.

What would I know anyway? I'm just a <90 IQ conservative.

Is anyone gonna tell me how to watch Sky news? **** me, I'm not even smart enough to do that without outside help.

 

[kranky al]

I think you're overestimating the intellectual capabilities of the left and underestimating the intellectual capabilities of the right. It's beyond the scope of this thread to bring examples up for discussion so I'll leave it there.

What would I know anyway? I'm just a <90 IQ conservative.

Is anyone gonna tell me how to watch Sky news? * me, I'm not even smart enough to do that without outside help.

If the right are so clever why do conservatives simply repeat talking points, get lost beyond there and react so well to simple 3 word slogans.

 

[evolved2]

If the right are so clever why do conservatives simply repeat talking points, get lost beyond there and react so well to simple 3 word slogans.

They're not clever, but neither are the left.

Three word slogans, hmm.

Yes we can.
Black lives matter.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Is anyone gonna tell me how to watch Sky news? * me, I'm not even smart enough to do that without outside help.

Have you tried retuning your TV recently?

 

[evolved2]

Have you tried retuning your TV recently?

Normally I would have, but I've been busy calibrating my shitposter detector. It seems to go off whenever mods post here.

 

[Big Papa Ted]

Normally I would have, but I've been busy calibrating my shitposter detector. It seems to go off whenever mods post here.

Sounds pretty calibrated then

 

[Carringbush2010]

People going unpunished for attacking the LGBTQIA+ community is/was the norm, not the exception regardless of the law.The dudes that kicked the s**t out of us all got off because one of them was a police informer and the Thames Valley Police couldn't have been less interested in three gay blokes getting a hiding in the first place. Most gay men have stories of getting a beating for just being who we are and of police who didn't care or were even complicit.

I am sorry to hear that Gough, please don't view me as someone who thinks this is a nothing issue.

As I've said many times I find this behaviour abhorrent.

I'm merely pointing out that broader society would not be accepting of this behaviour, nor would I agree that it is a 'norm' everyday thing that the majority of society take part in.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Widely spread: theres been over 100 cases of it used in the us in the last ten years.

That does NOT equate to widespread or widely accepted, now in our society.

In multiple countries its a death penalty offence to be gay.

Not here or in most liberal democracies, again I'm not here to argue that.

Isis were pushing people off the top floor of buildings.

Isis? Really? Do you think radical islamic terrorism is also widely accepted or widespread in our society?

I'm not debating about how Isis societies treat non heterosexual people.

But again you come into a thread and take it on a tangent.

No I didn't, I merely alluded a question.

Do you think using 'sexual advance' i:e hitting on as an excuse to bash a non heterosexual people is widespread in our society or widely accepted >now<?

You keep replying in opposition, that tells me you think this widely accepted in our society now, then I'd disagree and would add that is all that need to be said, your position and my position is clear.

The premise of the argument is that i was responding to someone bemoaning that gay people are political where as straight folk arent.

And all I did was allude a question

Im arguing that gay people have become political because they have no choice because of this and a whole load of other reasons…..

And I'm not disagreeing with you on that, that has been clear, I've had one question.

u do this in thread after thread.

No I don't, that is you misinterpreting, how idk when it so blatantly clearly keyed in what I'm stating.

 

[FireKrakouer]

They haven't lost moderates for religious reasons. At least this part gave me a laugh.

As someone who gave their federal vote to Labor for the first time last election, I can offer the anecdote of that being a big part of it for me. I felt a shift towards American culture war BS and realised we were lucky to not have hateful and divisive issues like abortion be key election issues here.

That, along with more people coming around to the fact that climate change is legit (and shifting to the teals) would be the biggest reasons I would guess.

 

[kranky al]

They're not clever, but neither are the left.

Three word slogans, hmm.

Yes we can.
Black lives matter.

Im talking about going to an election with no policy beyond 3 word slogans.

Stop the boats
Axe the tax
Ditch the witch
Prudent frugal and responsible
Stop the waste
Repay the debt
Open for business

And you lot bought it.

 

[kranky al]

That does NOT equate to widespread or widely accepted, now in our society.

Not here or in most liberal democracies, again I'm not here to argue that.

Isis? Really? Do you think radical islamic terrorism is also widely accepted or widespread in our society?

I'm not debating about how Isis societies treat non heterosexual people.

No I didn't, I merely alluded a question.

Do you think using 'sexual advance' i:e hitting on as an excuse to bash a non heterosexual people is widespread in our society or widely accepted >now<?

You keep replying in opposition, that tells me you think this widely accepted in our society now, then I'd disagree and would add that is all that need to be said, your position and my position is clear.

And all I did was allude a question

And I'm not disagreeing with you on that, that has been clear, I've had one question.

No I don't, that is you misinterpreting, how idk when it so blatantly clearly keyed in what I'm stating.

Ffs its like groundhog day with you in every funking thread.

You just key in on one tiny part of the whole and miss the entire point.

 

[FireKrakouer]

Example: we see a muslim man being called an ethnic slur blah blah and we can say “that’s wrong, leave him alone” if that same muslim man then kicks off on gay folk we can also tell him to shut his face and pull his head in.

So essentially the Karens of politics, lecturing everyone and applying Orwellian style censorship?!

 

[Cap]

As someone who gave their federal vote to Labor for the first time last election, I can offer the anecdote of that being a big part of it for me. I felt a shift towards American culture war BS and realised we were lucky to not have hateful and divisive issues like abortion be key election issues here.

That, along with more people coming around to the fact that climate change is legit (and shifting to the teals) would be the biggest reasons I would guess.

The way I sort of read it, in no order was climate change, ICAC, the divisive bullshit and a general disdain of Morrison.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Ffs its like groundhog day with you in every funking thread.

You just key in on one tiny part of the whole and miss the entire point.

FFS I could say the same!

I asked one *n question and eleventy million posts later, arguing that everyone does this and eveyone accepts, you sook about me 'missin the entire point'.

No I didn't, I asked a question, you kept replying 'yeah everyone thinks it's ok'.

No they don't!

We're done here, if you wanna keep cryin about it pm me.

 

[kranky al]

FFS I could say the same!

I asked one *n question and eleventy million posts later, arguing that everyone does this and eveyone accepts, you sook about me 'missin the entire point'.

No I didn't, I asked a question, you kept replying 'yeah everyone thinks it's ok'.

No they don't!

We're done here, if you wanna keep cryin about it pm me.

Agaun youve missed the point.

If they dont get political that law is still on the books.

That law didnt get repealed because straight people went hmmm that’s crap.

It got repealed from gltbia activism.

You nnow - the activism that way back there the guy i was repliying to thinks isnt necessary.

 

[kranky al]

So essentially the Karens of politics, lecturing everyone and applying Orwellian style censorship?!

Interesting that you feel that calling someone out for racist or homophobic slurs is being a karen / orwellian.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Agaun youve missed the point.

If they dont get political that law is still on the books.

That law didnt get repealed because straight people went hmmm that’s crap.

It got repealed from gltbia activism.

You nnow - the activism that way back there the guy i was repliying to thinks isnt necessary.

I didn't miss it, I'm not even disputing it, that doesn't equate to me 'missing the point'.

Anyway you've made your position in regards to my question clear.

Let's leave it there.

 

[evolved2]

Im talking about going to an election with no policy beyond 3 word slogans.

Stop the boats
Axe the tax
Ditch the witch
Prudent frugal and responsible
Stop the waste
Repay the debt
Open for business

And you lot bought it.

That's four words!

You've created a caricature of who you think 'we' are, which probably speaks of the limitations of your own intelligence more than anything.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

That's four words!

You've created a caricature of who you think 'we' are, which probably speaks of the limitations of your own intelligence more than anything.

When did you start identifying as a caricature?