Why do you think we played the way we did last night?

[Smoky]

1. Was it the wind as discussed by Bucks all game, and Malthouse after the game?

2. Was it mental fatigue (as discussed by Malthouse in the press)?

3. Was it pre finals nerves?

4. Was it the fact that there was a lack of longer term leaders on field last night? (Burns, Wakes, Rocca, Heater, Dids, etc)

5. Was it something else Im not aware of?


I am leaning towards 4... but highly expect that something might actually have happened that I am unaware of.

 

[Dave The Man]

I go with 4 and Also Malthouse selected a Too Top Heavy Side and Out coached by Harvey

 

[didaka]

Mainly 4, but we pushed the footy way too wide.

 

[Dave The Man]

Mainly 4, but we pushed the footy way too wide.

True - The Happens mostly when we lose - We go Way to Wide

 

[Real Insight]

Fraser took the coin toss.

With him as captin I'm guessing his record would be 10 games, no wins.

I can't remember him leading us to a win, if someone can prove me wrong I'll love to hear it.

 

[Soul_Pie]

1. Was it the wind as discussed by Bucks all game, and Malthouse after the game?

Yep, I reckon that was a pretty big factor. We are a kicking team first and foremost, and unfortunately the conditions were not very suited to that. We probably should have responded by moving it more directly and by hand, but we didn't.

2. Was it mental fatigue (as discussed by Malthouse in the press)?

Dunno to be honest. I think Freo were a bit more hard at the ball, but this whole "mental fatigue" thing is something that I just do not understand.

3. Was it pre finals nerves?

I'm not sure it was nerves, but I do think we might have had our minds on next week, perhaps sub-consciously. We didn't go in to the contests that hard, or run all that hard, perhaps we were not wanting to risk injury or fatigue heading into the finals.

4. Was it the fact that there was a lack of longer term leaders on field last night? (Burns, Wakes, Rocca, Heater, Dids, etc)

Very possibly. I mean, Burns is going to be a huge loss any way you cut it, perhaps most of all in terms of the leadership he gives. He will always go hard at the contests, and sets an example to the rest of the team.

5. Was it something else Im not aware of?

My personal view is that we struggled because this was one of the youngest sides we've fielded all year, which will always lead to inconsistency. We've travelled twice in the past 3 weeks, so that will be foreign to a lot of the younger players.

 

[mdc]

Roughly in order;
a) Wind.
b) Tyson Goldsack.
c) Our 22 right now isn't that flash.
d) Senior players couldn't, or wouldn't, impose themselves on the game.
e) Missing a few shots for goal early let Freo in the game.

 

[Smoky]

There were times last night when there were 5 or 6 Collingwood players on screen of which 1 or 2 were actually in our best 22. It really did look like we had conceded it was an uphill battle with the fact there were very few times I actually saw the older players trying to fire up the youngsters. Seeing Rhyce Shaw get fired up at Maxwell for not touching the ball as it saled through for a goal (I know Maxwell shouldnt have taken Shaw out of the contest and then failed to rush the goal - but an older player throwing a small hissy fit at someone in the leadership group, is NO WAY TO LEAD THE YOUNGSTERS). Rhyce was in the right until he had a crack at Maxwell - Not a team thing to do - (and no I have never ever been someone to bag out Rhyce {EVER} he has been one of my favourite players for a long, long time) - Not anymore, time and a place Rhyce, last night you proved in one moment you are not a leader.

Without a doubt Josh fraser was our most important player last night, he needed to step up (and I actually thought some of his tap ruck work last night was pretty good) IMO his game last night was that of a second year Ruckman still learning the ropes... no where near Captain material.

Extremelly surprised everyone didnt just start running the ball down the ground by hand... no kicks at all until someone had a shot, disposal was terrible (was obviously due to conditions) but leaders should have taken hold and just ran, bounced, handballed and so on??? Why didnt they? Someone should have realised there was a problem with the conditions and used them to their advantage.

Mum told me that MM said when someone like Tarkyn Lockyer kicks the ball out on the full 3 or 4 times you know something is seriously wrong with the conditions (Dont quote me - I did say my over exaggerating mum said this).

IMO there were numerous contributing factors, but the biggest one was that some of the older players should have taken matter into their own hands. There was only one player missing from our leadership group last night!!! That was our Captain. Gee I hope he goes around next year, because we dont have a Captain in our leadership group aside from him.

 

[kevind]

1. Was it the wind as discussed by Bucks all game, and Malthouse after the game?

2. Was it mental fatigue (as discussed by Malthouse in the press)?

3. Was it pre finals nerves?

4. Was it the fact that there was a lack of longer term leaders on field last night? (Burns, Wakes, Rocca, Heater, Dids, etc)

5. Was it something else Im not aware of?


I am leaning towards 4... but highly expect that something might actually have happened that I am unaware of.

It was probably due to the fact that we had a few good players out and those we brought in eg Stanley showed that they are not AFL standard.

We also were not at fever pitch intensity and when that happens , we are forced to rely on our skills, which by AFL standards are not very good. If the game was played purely on skill, the team we fielded last night would be one of the worst in the AFL.

We also lacked leadership. When your captain is as soft as butter and racks up stats with cheap kicks on the wing,things tend to go pear shaped.

 

[PieLebo87]

Mum told me that MM said when someone like Tarkyn Lockyer kicks the ball out on the full 3 or 4 times you know something is seriously wrong with the conditions (Dont quote me - I did say my over exaggerating mum said this)

He did say it, your mum wasn't exaggerating.

 

[Smoky]

He did say it, your mum wasn't exaggerating.

There's a first!

 

[lains]

Hey, Real Insight,
It'd be really interesting to find out about Josh as captain and his win loss record, been trying to google the answer, but can't find it, where do you think it could be found?

 

[Axl the great]

Simple answer with what actually went wrong,
Fremantle were,
1) Prepared to run harder and link up.
2)Put on more defensive pressure than us causing poor skill and turnovers.
3)Hit the contested ball harder and put bodies on the line.
4)Were generally more desperate.
Not Rocket Science.

 

[FIGJAM]

We tanked!

 

[Smoky]

Simple answer with what actually went wrong,
Fremantle were,
1) Prepared to run harder and link up.
2)Put on more defensive pressure than us causing poor skill and turnovers.
3)Hit the contested ball harder and put bodies on the line.
4)Were generally more desperate.
Not Rocket Science.

Really... Wow tell us more Oracle.

 

[checker]

1. tyson goldsack
2.chris dawes
3.rhys shaw
4.n.brown's current form, should have been rested.
5.danny stanley

 

[Real Insight]

Hey, Real Insight,
It'd be really interesting to find out about Josh as captain and his win loss record, been trying to google the answer, but can't find it, where do you think it could be found?

The only way I thought we could find it was just looking for games in the last 2/3 years where Bucks, Burns & Jimmy all missed there for Josh would have been captain. Other than that not too sure.

 

[Alexander323bc]

Rocca, Thomas, Didak, H. Shaw, Rusling, Burns,
Mooney, Wodjinski, Burns, Milburn, S. Johnson, Chapman,
Roughead, Bateman, Rioli, Hodge, Williams, Mitchell,

I wonder where these teams will be without their players that are equally important to their team structure as our players. Lets put this season in perspective. Their replacements, Dawes et al. just do not command the same respect as Rocca et al just yet. Defenders will leave Dawes and go third man up because Dawes will not draw his man away from the contest because he does not hurt other teams as much as Rocca will, just yet. So lets not jump off the wagon until we win two wodden spoons in a row like the SCUM.

 

[thatday]

Simple answer with what actually went wrong,
Fremantle were,
1) Prepared to run harder and link up.
2)Put on more defensive pressure than us causing poor skill and turnovers.
3)Hit the contested ball harder and put bodies on the line.
4)Were generally more desperate.
Not Rocket Science.

I agree, but why? Aren't we meant to be the team playing finals this year? Why were they doing these things better?

 

[Smoky]

Rocca, Thomas, Didak, H. Shaw, Rusling, Burns,
Mooney, Wodjinski, Burns, Milburn, S. Johnson, Chapman,
Roughead, Bateman, Rioli, Hodge, Williams, Mitchell,

I wonder where these teams will be without their players that are equally important to their team structure as our players. Lets put this season in perspective. Their replacements, Dawes et al. just do not command the same respect as Rocca et al just yet. Defenders will leave Dawes and go third man up because Dawes will not draw his man away from the contest because he does not hurt other teams as much as Rocca will, just yet. So lets not jump off the wagon until we win two wodden spoons in a row like the SCUM.

Thomas and Wakelin deserve to be in that group.

 

[thatday]

Thomas and Wakelin deserve to be in that group.

Thomas is in there bud.

 

[Smoky]

Thomas is in there bud.

HAHAHAHAHAHA... Thats it, its official - I have definatley had too much to drink and should go to bed!

 

[thatday]

HAHAHAHAHAHA... Thats it, its official - I have definatley had too much to drink and should go to bed!

Dream of finals.

 

[Smoky]

Dream of finals.

Of a Finals team that has 2 Dale Thomas' in it!

 

[thatday]

Of a Finals team that has 2 Dale Thomas' in it!

I'll be dreaming of one with Didak and H. Shaw in it. And Rocca, Rusling etc etc.