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Was it Ireland who was the driving force behind lynches 10 year deal
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Why don't we match the Swans' deal?
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First the AFL screw us over in 2012 by giving Sydney the extra day off and now this. I reckon the AFL should be played only every alternate year with the Swans being given a cup for free the year its not played.
So Buddy knew all along he was going to Sydney and kept on saying he was going to make up his mind at the end of the year. Its funny how many hours were wasted in that "Buddy" thread!
I remember there was some poster here a few weeks ago who suggested that we should not play Buddy in the GF as he didn't deserve to be taking the spot of someone who wanted to be at the club. Sir, although we ridiculed you at the time you can come back and laugh at us now.
So Buddy knew all along he was going to Sydney and kept on saying he was going to make up his mind at the end of the year. Its funny how many hours were wasted in that "Buddy" thread!
I remember there was some poster here a few weeks ago who suggested that we should not play Buddy in the GF as he didn't deserve to be taking the spot of someone who wanted to be at the club. Sir, although we ridiculed you at the time you can come back and laugh at us now.
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Was just reading the FA rules and it says
A contract offer is matched if the football payments and ASAs are equivalent under the offer and the contract proposed by the player’s current club. To qualify as a matching offer, the player’s current club must make an offer on the same terms as the new offer tabled by the player including:
• Contract length;
• Base payments;
• Total match payments;
• Total ASA payments;
Total performance incentives based on AFL awards or honours, club best and fairest finish or games played (not including finals). Any incentives for team performance do not have to be matched. A player cannot table an offer to be matched for less than a two-year contract length.
So until we see the deal, it's hard to say whether it's worth matching. But doesn't seem like we have to match cola, any marketing or 3rd party outside the Asa and any coaching roles etc.
A contract offer is matched if the football payments and ASAs are equivalent under the offer and the contract proposed by the player’s current club. To qualify as a matching offer, the player’s current club must make an offer on the same terms as the new offer tabled by the player including:
• Contract length;
• Base payments;
• Total match payments;
• Total ASA payments;
Total performance incentives based on AFL awards or honours, club best and fairest finish or games played (not including finals). Any incentives for team performance do not have to be matched. A player cannot table an offer to be matched for less than a two-year contract length.
So until we see the deal, it's hard to say whether it's worth matching. But doesn't seem like we have to match cola, any marketing or 3rd party outside the Asa and any coaching roles etc.
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Well to be fair buddy played a solid game in GF. Spangler may not have done the same and we may have lost.
Next phase is how do we stop tv broadcast inflation? This will stop cap rising and cripple the stains ability to pay their midfield stars
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I smiled reading this - I was at my local shopping centre on Saturday morning and there was an old guy wearing a hawks scarf and we got chatting. Had a bit to say about buddy and how clarko should of grown some and that there was no way Yabbie would of let him get away with this not signing crap. I wandered away having a chuckle wondering if it was the poster from BF
I wouldnt qualify their cynical exercise with something similar but lets just say when bud needs admin stuff, tax returns etc his and sydneys requests can go into the slow pile
But what about the 2012 grand final against your new club ?
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I'm not happy about it. That's why I suggested getting buddy the third strike once the ink dries on the contract.
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Sydney wont have to pay him under their cap for all 9 years and they know it.
Buddy will retire in 5 years and the afl will brush it aside saying 4 years of paying a retired player out will cripple them. And they know it.
This is the perfect way to price us out of the running without pricing us out of the running.
It stinks.
Buddy will retire in 5 years and the afl will brush it aside saying 4 years of paying a retired player out will cripple them. And they know it.
This is the perfect way to price us out of the running without pricing us out of the running.
It stinks.
It is being investigated though isnt it ?
I wouldnt be so sure.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...r-lance-franklin/story-fnia6oxb-1226731187698
AFl dont liike this, they wanted him at GWS and the Swans are being way too loose with the cola, making the AFL look stupid.
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Does this give us some hope as far as compensation goes? Seems the AFL can give us more than pick 20 if they see fit.
Also seems to me that for us, band 1 and band 2 will both be the same since we have last pick. Doesn't seem right.
He did say the deal would be finished if Hawthorn would match our offer.
Yep, they can give us whatever they want, just like they gave Suban what they wanted.
Let's just hope Gerard Healy isn't on the 'expert' committee.
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Lets just hope buddy is working with the hawks to get a better deal for us. If we get nothing, then shame on you buddy. They must have been tears of guilt on GF day. If he fuks us over he will never be able to look at our players in the eyes again, especially brereton. I have a suspicion buddy is trying to somehow help us with a trade. He might be money-driven but surely he is not going to throw away all those friendships.
Don't let us down buddy. You can leave with your head high and still be remembered fondly by all hawk supporters or you can hurt our great club and be hated by most. This is not even about footy anymore, it's about life. Doing what's right.
Whatever happens, hawks will come out on top.
As for matching that trade, don't be ridiculous. Too risky. Bud leaving opens huge cap, giving us power to chase who we want. Young blood.
Expect hawks to pick up at least 2 guns...
Out: buddy
In: back to back flags 2013, 2014
Don't let us down buddy. You can leave with your head high and still be remembered fondly by all hawk supporters or you can hurt our great club and be hated by most. This is not even about footy anymore, it's about life. Doing what's right.
Whatever happens, hawks will come out on top.
As for matching that trade, don't be ridiculous. Too risky. Bud leaving opens huge cap, giving us power to chase who we want. Young blood.
Expect hawks to pick up at least 2 guns...
Out: buddy
In: back to back flags 2013, 2014
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Bud don't give a shit about us. A 9 year deal is a big GGF to you and me.
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I dunno. If for instance HE was approached by Sydney and was told, 'mate, although you can earn a fair whack of money at GWS, we're willing to offer you a similar amount of money over 9 years and you'll have a good chance at a premiership', then I'd say hats off to him and wish him well as that is a truly ****ing outstanding offer.
The part that shits me is he has gone to one of our major rivals, one that we will be competing with for another 3-5 years, and asked for them to put together a deal for him. It makes me sick. Maybe it's just the immediate rage and once I've intellectualised it it'll make sense, but I just can't see how he goes down in Hawthorns history as anything other than a traitorous campaigner. He contributed a lot to our great club, but he has put himself before the club and to me that is the ultimate betrayal as a sports fan. I slayed Tippett for doing it, and I will do the same to Buddy.
The only thing that would make me feel better is if he like gets done for trafficking coke and winds up only playing a couple of years up North, and the AFL decide GWS are their new love child so make Sydney include Buds salary as part of their salary cap and THEN Kennedy Sr convinces Kennedy Jr to come back and we beat them by 250 points in the 2016 grand final, and finally AFL 360 show a comparison of Buddy crying on parole and crying after the 2013 grand final and Robbo comments on how flamboyant he is.
From the free agency page on the AFL website regarding compensation:
In applying the formula, an expert committee reviews the formula outcomes. The committee has the power to recommend alternative outcomes to GM – Football Operations where the formula produces a materially anomalous result.
The Hawks should clarify with the AFL whether or not the comittee will see the 9 year contract as not befitting of a Band 1 compensation (first round draft pick) and recommend 2 first round draft picks. I don't think the criteria factored in a 9-year FA contract?!
In applying the formula, an expert committee reviews the formula outcomes. The committee has the power to recommend alternative outcomes to GM – Football Operations where the formula produces a materially anomalous result.
The Hawks should clarify with the AFL whether or not the comittee will see the 9 year contract as not befitting of a Band 1 compensation (first round draft pick) and recommend 2 first round draft picks. I don't think the criteria factored in a 9-year FA contract?!
Don't match the current deal. It's a ridiculous deal - 9 years on 1.1M for a 27 year old who will start to be on the decline in 3 years is way too risky and down right stupid by the Swans. The joke is on them and well done to the AFL realizing the stupidity of the contract. It was entirely designed so we couldn't match it and force a trade, however the AFL is pissed as it didn't turn out nearly the way they wanted (Buddy to GWS) and is looking certain to block the contract. Phew. We will be able to match the revised deal, as the contract is massively back loaded - which is even more risky, as if Buddy is delisted there is a HUGE payout waiting for Buddy, which would be no way near sustainable.
Buddy is only worth that kind contract at GWS.
The AFLs intervention will hopefully work in our favor.
scenarios:
- we will be able to match the revised offer and force a fair trade.
- we play hardball, refuse their, send Buddy into the pre-season draft where he is picked up by GWS (best scenario)
- we play hard and Buddy goes into the PSD and picked up by the swans for nothing ala Turd Tippett.
Buddy is only worth that kind contract at GWS.
The AFLs intervention will hopefully work in our favor.
scenarios:
- we will be able to match the revised offer and force a fair trade.
- we play hardball, refuse their, send Buddy into the pre-season draft where he is picked up by GWS (best scenario)
- we play hard and Buddy goes into the PSD and picked up by the swans for nothing ala Turd Tippett.
I would be happy to have kennedy back. hawks royalty...should never have nee let go...as for useless............... hell...clear out his locker and get him the hell off th e place
I kinda of don't see why we don't match? If we do it would be under the full understanding that Franklin wont play for us in 2014. As it appears Sydney have been brokering this deal for around a year and shifting a lot of things around to make it happen, in conjunction with Franklin genuinely wanting to go up to Sydney and not stick around in Melbourne, why would Sydney not trade? If they don't trade we send him to GWS preferably for pick number 1 (I know this is unlikely as he just snubbed them). Worse comes to worse, he goes back to the PSD and we loose a compensation pick. I know this is a somewhat simplistic view, but what are the real dangers, if we matched he wouldn't be staying. I reckon Kennet would have been game 
I think we need to see what the compo is from the AFL, if it's decent then let him go and attack the FA ourselves.
If it's just that sh*tty pick 19 then we should be game to either match the offer and see how the dice role or let him go into the PSD.
He's talking like he's gone, so if we matched you'd think both him and Sydney would be very keen to get the trade done.
If it's just that sh*tty pick 19 then we should be game to either match the offer and see how the dice role or let him go into the PSD.
He's talking like he's gone, so if we matched you'd think both him and Sydney would be very keen to get the trade done.
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