Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today.... part 2

[Chief]

Reminder: This isn't the Israel/Hamas thread. Go to the Israel/Hamas thread if you want to talk about that. Thanks.

Mid East - Israel declare war after Hamas attack II

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[Carringbush2010]

What I can't understand is the weird unwarranted fear that islamic / muslim immigration is somehow going to change our way of life from what is undeniably liberal and free to oppressive i:e sharia law in, liberal democracy out, from evolved2 and 10571z

Could you please explain how this is going to happen, when (in my mind at least) muslims migrating here are seeking a better life and attempting to escape what they've come from. Probably 99.99999999% of them.

What also I can't understand is how other posters view this unwarranted fear as a disingenuous racism / bigotry. All it does is discredit your argument, gives the impression of outrage / axe to grind and infantile mind set.

To those posters, could you please explain how a naive / gullible fear is derogatory or bigoted.

I'll wait.

 

[CM86]

Exactly, right?


You could easily refute everything I've posted. Every point I've made. Every argument attempted to substantiate.

But there's not point, because I'm too stupid and ideologically captured in my far left echo chamber thingy.

So, even though you KNOW you could easily and effectively walk all over my points. Replying with lols, and avoiding engagement is better, because it's just too much of a waste of time.
And I'm in the lefty progressive religion cult, so you couldn't help me even if you tried.

Right?
Something along those lines.

The other one is that you know you can't actually refute my points at the moment. But you know I'm wrong, and it's just a matter of time before you realise how wrong I am, and can then crush my position.




But, what if I'm actually not wrong. What if I've spent time studying, researching and understanding these topics.
Just in regards to where the focus should be in terms of reducing the growth of Islam, and extremism, without punishing fellow humans?

evolved2 C'mon how close was I?
1%, 15% the dreaded 51%?

 

[Chief]

Lol.

Double lol.

Triple lol.

So you've got nothing.

 

[Gralin]

I don't blame you for anything.

I didn't mean you blame me personally but the argument used on here by you and others is
The left/progressives are mean to me a centrist the right/conservatives are nice to me so it's your fault I'm voting with them
This is usually after you've said something the right/conservatives agree with and copped pushback from the left/progressives

I do think you're sexist and racist, and I fully intend to vote against your type of politics. Strangely enough, I don't see you as a bad person. Your intentions seem pure enough.

What are my type of politics that you intend to vote against?
What issues specifically?

I never vote against my families interests.

You literally said you vote against politicians not for them and the example was putting ON above the greens

I'm possibly missing something but how is ON more aligned to your family interests than the greens?

ON would kick your wife and children out of the country given the choice and happily work with anti LGBTQI groups

 

[Chief]

The pendulum swings both ways.

The salami is extra spicy.

 

[Gralin]

The pendulum swings both ways.

I must have missed all the far left governments we've had in the west recently

 

[Chief]

I must have missed all the far left governments we've had in the west recently

The lefties should spend more money on lobbying governments and less on lattes.

 

[Gralin]

The lefties should spend more money on lobbying governments and less on lattes.

I make my own at home

 

[CM86]

What also I can't understand is how other posters view this unwarranted fear as a disingenuous racism / bigotry. All it does is discredit your argument, gives the impression of outrage / axe to grind and infantile mind set.

To those posters, could you please explain how a naive / gullible fear is derogatory or bigoted.

I'll wait.

You can be racist without intent.
But I don't think I used that term.

The problem is the reasoning behind the 'fear', hate and anger.
And it's why you cannot get a fleshed out answer to your earlier question.


It comes down to the fact that there is a belief that a certain demographic of people are just not like 'us'.
They can't integrate, they can't ever be just as Australian as you or I.
There is something about this demographic of people, that has caused them to live in the third world conditions that they are fleeing from.
That if we allow too much of this demographic into our country, it will be turned into the unlivable place they are trying to escape from.


Now tackling the conversation from that direction will almost never work.
But also when you've seen the people harmed by this kind of rhetoric and 'naive/gullible' fear has on the lives of innocent people, who are just as human as you or I.
Sometimes it's hard not to become emotional and angry.

 

[evolved2]

I didn't mean you blame me personally but the argument used on here by you and others is
The left/progressives are mean to me a centrist the right/conservatives are nice to me so it's your fault I'm voting with them
This is usually after you've said something the right/conservatives agree with and copped pushback from the left/progressives

You being kind or mean barely registers.

As posted earlier, I view your politics as misogynistic and racist...and not in the interests of the greater good of our nation.

What are my type of politics that you intend to vote against?
What issues specifically?

Specifics...I am in full agreement with the right to protest, but disagree with everything else. Our nation would be well served by reconsidering migration numbers for starters.

You literally said you vote against politicians not for them and the example was putting ON above the greens

I'm possibly missing something but how is ON more aligned to your family interests than the greens?

ON would kick your wife and children out of the country given the choice and happily work with anti LGBTQI groups

When did ON state that in their policies?

 

[10571z]

What I can't understand is the weird unwarranted fear that islamic / muslim immigration is somehow going to change our way of life from what is undeniably liberal and free to oppressive i:e sharia law in, liberal democracy out, from evolved2 and 10571z

Could you please explain how this is going to happen, when (in my mind at least) muslims migrating here are seeking a better life and attempting to escape what they've come from. Probably 99.99999999% of them.

What also I can't understand is how other posters view this unwarranted fear as a disingenuous racism / bigotry. All it does is discredit your argument, gives the impression of outrage / axe to grind and infantile mind set.

To those posters, could you please explain how a naive / gullible fear is derogatory or bigoted.

I'll wait.

Explain the "Caliphate is the solution" protest in germany?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I must have missed all the far left governments we've had in the west recently

The were there right after the Neo-nazi's were voted out.

 

[Gralin]

The were there right after the Neo-nazi's were voted out.

So 80 years ago?
Which ones back then were far left out of interest

 

[Chief]

I view your politics as misogynistic and racist.

I really want to hear where this comes from.

 

[evolved2]

What I can't understand is the weird unwarranted fear that islamic / muslim immigration is somehow going to change our way of life from what is undeniably liberal and free to oppressive i:e sharia law in, liberal democracy out, from evolved2 and 10571z

Could you please explain how this is going to happen, when (in my mind at least) muslims migrating here are seeking a better life and attempting to escape what they've come from. Probably 99.99999999% of them.

What also I can't understand is how other posters view this unwarranted fear as a disingenuous racism / bigotry. All it does is discredit your argument, gives the impression of outrage / axe to grind and infantile mind set.

To those posters, could you please explain how a naive / gullible fear is derogatory or bigoted.

I'll wait.

They're seeking a better life while simultaneously seeking something looking like home. The hijabs, burqas, homophobic views, etc aren't left behind.

Asians are lovely people, but let's not be ignorant.

 

[evolved2]

I really want to hear where this comes from.

Is there any point?

 

[Gralin]

You being kind or mean barely registers.

Again I never said it did, I said that is the argument you and others use

Eg

Notice how this thread is mostly far left posters arguing with centrists?

What fascinates me is watching the right offer a carrot and the left bash us with a stick.

As posted earlier, I view your politics as misogynistic and racist...and not in the interests of the greater good of our nation.

Racist against everyone? Racist against one group? Some groups?

Is the misogyny my support of trans rights or something else?

The greater good of our nation? Where is my supposed misogyny at odds with our nation?

Where is my supposed racism at odds with our nation?

Specifics...I am in full agreement with the right to protest, but disagree with everything else. Our nation would be well served by reconsidering migration numbers for starters.

So action on climate change you are against?
Improved public health and public education you are against?
Improved welfare also you are against?
Taxing billionaires and large corporations bad?

When did ON state that in their policies?

https://www.onenation.org.au/pauline-hanson-on-labor-s-census-gender-debate

Plenty of examples if you look

 

[Chief]

Is there any point?

That's up to you I suppose.

 

[Carringbush2010]

You can be racist without intent.

Well >intent< should be the pertinent, not unintended. I find it rather offensive to label someone as bigoted / racist through unintended.

The problem is the reasoning behind the 'fear', hate and anger.

Well that's you misreading minds then, maybe step down from that high horse.

It comes down to the fact that there is a belief that a certain demographic of people are just not like 'us'.

Again, you're assuming someones viewpoint as bigoted / racists, when there maybe genuine fear, regardless of how ridiculous that fear is.

 

[evolved2]

Again I never said it did, I said that is the argument you and others use

Eg




Racist against everyone? Racist against one group? Some groups?

Racism primarily against white people.

Is the misogyny my support of trans rights or something else?

The greater good of our nation? Where is my supposed misogyny at odds with our nation?

Where is my supposed racism at odds with our nation?

Your views give biological females no voice, and I view that as misogynistic.

So action on climate change you are against?

Probably not your way.

Improved public health and public education you are against?

Probably not your way.

Improved welfare also you are against?

Probably not your way.

Taxing billionaires and large corporations bad?

Probably not your way.

https://www.onenation.org.au/pauline-hanson-on-labor-s-census-gender-debate

Plenty of examples if you look

 

[Carringbush2010]

Explain the "Caliphate is the solution" protest in germany?

'Caliphate is the solution' protests in Germany would be the exception rather than the rule.

If it was widespread, which it isn't, then you'd have a reasonable argument, but you don't.

Germany is a liberal democracy and probably won't change, ever. Even if you have 51% muslim population, Why? Because 99.9999999% of those muslims would move to Germany to escape what they'd come from.

Your fear is unwarranted.

 

[Carringbush2010]

They're seeking a better life while simultaneously seeking something looking like home. The hijabs, burqas, homophobic views, etc aren't left behind.

Asians are lovely people, but let's not be ignorant.

And? The muslim population already 'look for something like home', just like every other differing culture, so how has that effected your life?

 

[Chief]

Is there any point?

Damn! I should not have left it up to you. My mistake.

 

[evolved2]

And? The muslim population already 'look for something like home', just like every other differing culture, so how has that effected your life?

There are 13 nations that punish atheism by death - all are Muslim.

I'm done with this argument, mate.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

So 80 years ago?
Which ones back then were far left out of interest

you said "recently".
80 years ago, could the Soviets, North Korea, China? be considered left wing?