Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today.... part 2

[Chief]

Reminder: This isn't the Israel/Hamas thread. Go to the Israel/Hamas thread if you want to talk about that. Thanks.

Mid East - Israel declare war after Hamas attack II

Part I: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/israel-declare-war-after-hamas-attack.1371828/page-47#post-81443295 Thread Rules: Alright. I recognise that this is a fraught topic for any number of you posting here. Some of you will have family in Israel or Palestine. Some of you will have...

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[Carringbush2010]

Ok so clearly you didn't read my post correctly.

If you're defending someone elses position without knowing what it is and also without finding out what it is....

What is the point?

How many times do I have to tell you I'm not defending anyone?

I'll leave it there.

 

[Gralin]

How many times do I have to tell you I'm not defending anyone?

I'll leave it there.

What were you doing then

 

[Carringbush2010]

I wouldn't say there is a fear of Sharia replacing our law in this life time. But Muslims are extremely dedicated to their religion and could certainly push their agenda politically once they see a pathway.

Sure Jan!

If that is the case, then why do you continuously bring up frivolous figures about the UK alluding that 'Sharia will take over'

If you're not saying that then what are you saying?

 

[Carringbush2010]

What were you doing then

Read my posts again.

CLEARLY, I've been stating that one shouldn't assume racism / bigotry of someone because of irrational fear.

If you claim you're not understanding then you're just trolling.

Bye now.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Who's done that?
Not I.
In fact you don't even need to read my mind to know I didn't... Because I literally explained the logical steps I followed that lead to that view.

But off you go, play on.

You've no idea what the reason could possibly be. But you know I'm wrong.
You can't even attempt to engage with the foundational points I made.
You have to desperately ignore the fact that I also used my premise it to explain why YOU couldn't answer the question, and why no one you tagged would be able to answer the question.



That's interesting.
You never had any expectations for them to answer.
You refused to accept my answer.
And you've now pointed out that you didn't care what answer we gave you, you were just going to ignore it and say that we are discriminating because we "automatically assume racism".

Apologies,

But you give the impression that this irrational fear is a disingenuous veil for racism / bigotry, there's probably examples in your reply posting to those you seemingly oppose, but I'm not gonna go looking for them, and you're not alone.

Now that you've explained that you don't think this irrational fear is a veil for racism / bigotry, I'll expect you won't be alluding it anymore.

 

[Gralin]

Read my posts again.

CLEARLY, I've been stating that one shouldn't assume racism / bigotry of someone because of irrational fear.

If you claim you're not understanding then you're just trolling.

Bye now.

But you don't know the answer and have no interest in finding out the answer.

You just don't want people suggesting an answer you don't like

 

[10571z]

Sure Jan!

If that is the case, then why do you continuously bring up frivolous figures about the UK alluding that 'Sharia will take over'

If you're not saying that then what are you saying?

Which figures are frivolous?

 

[Carringbush2010]

Which figures are frivolous?

Answering a question with a question which is not relevant to the question asked.

If you don't think Sharia law is a threat, then what are you saying? What is the point you're making?

 

[10571z]

Answering a question with a question which is not relevant to the question asked.

If you don't think Sharia law is a threat, then what are you saying? What is the point you're making?

Having a large percentage of your population potentially Islam and Parallel "councils" running is a massive threat to social cohesion and a prosperous multi cultural society imo.

Not to mention Muslims pushing their religious agenda in parliament.

We have no evidence that Westerners and Muslims can co exist successfully at those numbers.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Not the best, certainly not the worst.

https://academic.oup.com/eurpub/article/28/5/967/4919666

 

[Chief]

Not the best, certainly not the worst.

https://academic.oup.com/eurpub/article/28/5/967/4919666

We have entire sects campaigning against equal rights, and wanting the right to sack people for being anything other than straight.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Having a large percentage of your population potentially Islam and Parallel "councils" running is a massive threat to social cohesion and a prosperous multi cultural society imo.

Speculation.

Not to mention Muslims pushing their religious agenda in parliament.

Evidence?

We have no evidence that Westerners and Muslims can co exist successfully at those numbers.

We have no evidence they won't.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

We have entire sects campaigning against equal rights, and wanting the right to sack people for being anything other than straight.

We probably have weirdo sects campaigning for all sorts of rubbish.

Not only are we tolerant about gay's etc, we are tolerant of wackjobs.

 

[Chief]

We probably have weirdo sects campaigning for all sorts of rubbish.

Not only are we tolerant about gay's etc, we are tolerant of wackjobs.

Catholic Church is the one I am talking about. They lobbied to retain the right to discriminate based on things like sexuality and gender expression. They have power. They cannot be trusted not to try and muscle law makers into giving them favours and shaping society in their own image.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

So your saying Muslims will continue to be radicalised if the the vast vast majority of people don't treat them as you would expect? I mean that in itself is an issue. Trump just won power for example?

Anyone is at risk of radicalisation if they're treated like enemies by society at large. It isn't confined to Muslims. The Black Panthers were not a Muslim organisation, neither were the IRA.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Catholic Church is the one I am talking about. They lobbied to retain the right to discriminate based on things like sexuality and gender expression. They have power. They cannot be trusted not to try and muscle law makers into giving them favours and shaping society in their own image.

This is it. Some posters are shit scared of muslim kids growing up to impose their religion on society, the catholic church retains the right to discriminate in employment based on gender, sexuality or marital status.

 

[liz]

This is it. Some posters are shit scared of muslim kids growing up to impose their religion on society, the catholic church retains the right to discriminate in employment based on gender, sexuality or marital status.

Which would be one thing if their employment activities were restricted to “strictly church business”. But they’re not. Their tentacles are intricately entwined in our education system. Our hospital system. Our aged care system.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I favour reducing immigration numbers from predominantly Islamic nations - not ban. Those who already live here will remain free to conduct their religious activities just the same as any other religious observant.

Would this immigration cap apply to Christians and other religious minorities from those nations too?

More than happy to take the atheists and lgbt's who can prove they're at risk.

How do they prove that they're atheists or LGBT+?

Notice how this thread is mostly far left posters arguing with centrists?

What fascinates me is watching the right offer a carrot and the left bash us with a stick.

What makes someone far left to you? I remember you once saying you were lefter than left socially, is that no longer the case? How are people bashing you with a stick?

High levels of immigration are destroying this nation in many ways...property prices, education standards, income, employee rights, and more...all in the name of keeping our GDP in the green.

Most of those immigrants are not Muslim. This is a separate conversation altogether, and it's not the immigrants who are to blame for those things, but our economic system for not protecting workers well enough, and our government for failing to build affordable housing.

I don't want us to increase our refugee intake. We do more than enough already.

We have 20 000 places for refugee resettlement per year, versus 185 000 through the skilled and family permanent migration program, and net migration of foreign students was about 175 000 last year. If your issue is with high levels of immigration, the refugee intake is not the issue. Personally I'd be willing to cut the skilled and family migration level by 20 000 to take in 10 000 more refugees.

 

[ElectricG]

This is it. Some posters are shit scared of muslim kids growing up to impose their religion on society, the catholic church retains the right to discriminate in employment based on gender, sexuality or marital status.

Islam is just so much worse tho

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Islam is just so much worse tho

So it's rational to ignore discrimination happening currently to fearmonger about what may potentially happen 100 years from now?

 

[ElectricG]

So it's rational to ignore discrimination happening currently to fearmonger about what may potentially happen 100 years from now?

Given one is so much worse than the other, then yeah probably.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Given one is so much worse than the other, then yeah probably.

The sun running out of fuel will only happen many years in the future, but it's much worse than anthropogenic climate change. Does that mean we should ignore climate change happening now?

 

[ElectricG]

The sun running out of fuel will only happen many years in the future, but it's much worse than anthropogenic climate change. Does that mean we should ignore climate change happening now?

I think it's a bad analogy.

The influence of western religions is:
1. Arguably part of what has made Western countries the type of place that people want to move to, rather than away from
2. Declining

Islam is the kind of influence that turns countries into basket cases/failed states that people just can't wait to get away from. Its proponents are highly energised, and due to immigration its influence is increasing.

My point isn't specifically "let's ignore all of Catholicism's problems", instead it's more like let's not just play this particular game of whataboutism for something that is so much more benign and almost done running its course.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

I think it's a bad analogy.

The influence of western religions is:
1. Arguably part of what has made Western countries the type of place that people want to move to, rather than away from
2. Declining

Islam is the kind of influence that turns countries into basket cases/failed states that people just can't wait to get away from. Its proponents are highly energised, and due to immigration its influence is increasing.

My point isn't specifically "let's ignore all of Catholicism's problems", instead it's more like let's not just play this particular game of whataboutism for something that is so much more benign and almost done running its course.

No western society has improved once we’ve moved away from it.

It’s not a game of whataboutism. One religion has enshrined state power where they can discriminate. That’s a fact.


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[ElectricG]

No western society has improved once we’ve moved away from it.

It’s not a game of whataboutism. One religion has enshrined state power where they can discriminate. That’s a fact.


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Well I personally have a feeling that neoliberalism/consumerism is just jumping in Christianity’s place where it disappears. So I’m not fully convinced that it going away is a purely good thing (even though I’m an atheist myself).