We didn't win due to not making the tough calls during the week , eg - Reid & Jolly. I would rather play an inexperienced couple of players than play guys that aren't 100% fit... Geelong were just too good when it counted and I hope next year the boys come out breathing fire.
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Really well said kevind. Interesting point in regards to Ball. Agree about Didak too. I had the same misgivings about Didak this year as I did Beams going into this game simply because their defensive pressure has been poor. Didak wasn't horrible though - not great but not horrible - and set up some good goal scoring plays.
because David and Taz were born under a bad star! Those two will never win a premiership medal, and for as long as they play for Collingwood in a GF we never will.
Injuries and interrupted seasons were a big factor, but I wonder whether Collingwood have also just gone too hard for too long?
You've been "up" for 18 months solid: Best team since about Round 10 last year, steamrolled everyone, 2010 flag, NAB cup win, dominated 2011 H&A....maybe it just all finally caught up with you.
Whereas we seemed to do a better job of pacing our season (like we did in 2009)...coasted through the second half of H&A with some losses and lacklustre wins, but then turned it up a gear in finals.
Were any other Pie fans thinking they'd peaked a bit early in 2011??
You've been "up" for 18 months solid: Best team since about Round 10 last year, steamrolled everyone, 2010 flag, NAB cup win, dominated 2011 H&A....maybe it just all finally caught up with you.
Whereas we seemed to do a better job of pacing our season (like we did in 2009)...coasted through the second half of H&A with some losses and lacklustre wins, but then turned it up a gear in finals.
Were any other Pie fans thinking they'd peaked a bit early in 2011??
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You do make a Very Good Point and Maybe we just ran out of Gas Mentally and Physically
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And the first one was out of the centre, not of Davis.
We lost because we had too many players out of form, we got injuries during the game and Geelong played a better game than us. Pods going off created mismatches and Hawkins played the game of his career. Reid couldn't contain him (looked sluggish) and then we had to roll the dice in the last quarter which saw us giving up goals and the game was over.
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I felt the same, but with more trepidation. Geelong always looked more likely to score with the ball up forward, and their backs more likely to clear.
A few minutes into the final and you could see that Collingwood were about to crack.
The criticisms directed at particular players on this thread are not reasonable. Criticism of selection is. The Jolly gamble went OK. The Reid one didn't.
Some players did well, others didn't, as in any game.
Goldsack should have been somewhere in the side. I hope we don't lose him because of this omission. The non availability of McCaffer was a killer too.
A really close look at the delivery into the forward line is needed. The bomb/pass mix is off, and has been most of the year.
In evaluating the year's games, I didn't see one that matched last year's finals. I don't think we were as good as we thought we were. A lesson for 2012.
As so many have said, a better side beat us.
Yes, a key factor that Malthouse conceded in his press conference. Remember to it was a 24 round season. Yes, there were byes but the players still trained and MM, Swan and Reid were involved in the Irish series.
However, David Buttifant is a genius with this and there must have been mitigating circumstances such as key injuries that derailed hi program.
In saying this, Scott was superb in his player management and having them ready for a finals series as a first year coach. It would have been easy in his first year to fall into the trap where the Cats players say this is how we do it. It is clear he walked in and said this is how you will do it for me.
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Nah in the first goal Davis got sucked into the contest and let Varcoe run off him which gave Varcoe too much space and hence kicked the goal.
I wrote it somewhere else but if Davis didn't run off Varcoe, Selwood was going to have an open shot on goal, so he was covering someone else's man and forcing Geelong to make an extra disposal to score a goal, which means another chance of them messing it up. I didn't have a problem Davis, it was poor defence from the centre square.
Pies played out of their skin last year, they had a new game plan, motivation from prelim defeats and few injuries. A lot of younger players were motivated to push out the older guys.
They were overated this year because of such weak opposition.
It is hard to play your best every week (geelong 08) and keep that momentum for the whole year.
This year too many injured players and fringe players not performing as well as last year when it matters.
Geelong were on top for most of the game its just that Cloke played out of his skin in the first half and the umpires gave the pies a very good run.
They were overated this year because of such weak opposition.
It is hard to play your best every week (geelong 08) and keep that momentum for the whole year.
This year too many injured players and fringe players not performing as well as last year when it matters.
Geelong were on top for most of the game its just that Cloke played out of his skin in the first half and the umpires gave the pies a very good run.
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That's very well off the mark actually. It was only a more aggressive version of what they were doing for years.
Injured and underdone players. Crap about assembling the 'A' team late in the year after putting game time into rookies was coslty. There were too many players getting their first game late in the year when we should have getting match fitness into guys who missed alot of games.
As for the umpires, yeh right. The pivotal one when we were almost 3 goals up late in the 2nd. Christensen caught red handed by Pendles - ball up. Instead of us going forward the Cats cleared kicked a goal and momentum changed.
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u guys lost cause of malthouse, anything else said is bullshit,
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You are rated according to your opposition, you can't be rated against yourself in a new season. A team can't be overrated if the majority of the rest of the comp isn't up to it. If anything, any time we beat fancied opposition, the media would say that the scoreline was not truly reflective of the game. e.g. ANZAC day, 9 goal win over WCE, 5 goal win over Blues and so on. That's not overrated.
Cloke played to his ability and the Pies were winning more clean ball in the first half.
The umps made a couple of howlers but they weren't paying blatant head ducks either. I thought they umpired well and let the game go...as they always should. They missed a sh!t load of blocking way off the ball through the whole game though.
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I think you should expand a little here, otherwise your post doesn't come across well.
We had a good run last year towards the end of the season, that was the difference. Motivation wasn't lacking this year, form and fitness was.
So every team in the league apart from Geelong (the only team we lost to) was weak opposition?
Agree, it's tough to win grand finals and injuries and form killed us.
The umpiring was poor to both sides. Overall neither team was favoured more than the other. You could list multiple poor decisions to both sides.
Please. Collingwood, alongside Carlton and Essendon are always favoured by the umpires, don't even bother trying to dispute it.
Anyway, one of those 'goals' you are talking about clearly hit the post and changed trajectory. The umpire tapped for behind then changed his mind since he was standing in front of the black and white zoo.
Geelong won because they were the far better team. Easily the most talented and composed club in recent AFL history.
Although tbh, I really don't understand how Didak got in for this one... he has had a shocking year!
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disagree. when pods went down, and krak kicked a goal to put us 15 points up immediately after, we had you on toast. its a credit to the champion team of geelong that you guys rallied and kicked a couple before half time, i think if collingwood kicked another before the long break, and went in with a 21 point lead as opposed to 3, it may have been too high a mountain to climb.
That is to take nothing away from geelong. But after they kicked the first two goals and dominated the first 10 minutes, collingwood controlled the game until that last 5 before half time.
And the umpires were largely ineffectual. Benny J shouldnt have had that shot on goal but it immediately followed the perfect example of selwood's ducking at the other end of the ground
The goal umpires on the other hand...
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That makes no sense. The "weak" opposition included every club in the competition. Unless you think that Gold Coast's inclusion suddenly raised the bar for all clubs to aspire to.
Time to change dealers, buddy. You reckon Swan's mark not being paid and the resultant goal reducing the margin from 15 to 9 points before half time didn't change the complexion of the game? You're an absolute w***er if you think the umpires were the reason Collingwood was still in the game at that point.
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- Reid couldnt give Hawkins a contest in the second half, which lead to a big chink on magpies defensive line.
- Cats noticed this and was able to drop a man on their defense readily which blanketed most of the inside 50s for magpies.
- Too many passenger players, either out of form or having a bad game, Cats almost every player for them made a contribution that won them plays or ball possesions, ultimately the game.
- Cats noticed this and was able to drop a man on their defense readily which blanketed most of the inside 50s for magpies.
- Too many passenger players, either out of form or having a bad game, Cats almost every player for them made a contribution that won them plays or ball possesions, ultimately the game.
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I'll help him out mate.
Mick was the one who played two clearly injured and one completely out of form players. He was also the one who decided to go back on his word 6 weeks ago and no doubt that players would have known about it.
He got also outcoached by a rookie coach and was extremely slow to make any game-changing decisions. Throwing Davis up forward instead of Taz or Reid when Pods went down was one of them and none of us will ever forget his reluctance to move Taz onto Hawkins and hence allowing them to get their tails up.
Is he the only one I'm blaming for yesterday? No, there were other factors, such as injuries and undisciplined acts by our players leading up to the finals but a fair share of blame goes to him IMHO.
Yes, I'm mad.
Malthouse was out-coached on the day and erred in selection. Case closed.
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