Review Winners and losers - trade week 2024

[SSSSSS]

Do they have another academy kid next year?

Not that there were a heap of KPF options on the market but we didn't even hear any BS rumours about them asking haha Could have done something with Dev Robertson & Future picks?

Again though, they just won the flag and they have a quick fix in mind so power to them. Just thought we would hear something along the way.

There were some rumours on the Hawks board that the Lions had spoken to Mitch Lewis but he knocked them back.

Would have been an interesting move given Lewis probably won't be back playing footy until later in 2025. Probably wouldn't have enough currency to entice us anyway.

 

[dean33]

I honestly wonder at the return on investment on that advertising. I assume it costs them next to nothing but at the same time whose listening into trade radio that’s likely to be convinced they need new tires?

Not sure about you but I’ve smashed 10 grimace shakes the last week and I’m dairy intolerant.

 

[BuffDog]

Out: A Dodoro, K Sheedy, J Stringer; is a great start to the off season for the Bombers

Enough points for Kako this year with what should be a few second/third round picks leftover and potentially two high first round draft picks next year with ours and Melbourne's.

Hopefully Matt Rosa has some form of a competent list build strategy.

Overall I liked what Hawthorn, Adelaide and Geelong did by immediately improving their list without using significant capital.

I found Carlton and Collingwood's strategy very interesting. Both certainly traded for the now with Carlton giving up quite a lot for Pick 3 (although this will pay off if they can draft a star) and Collingwood doing similar for Houston. Both teams will see themselves as flag fancies in 2025 but there's some question on Carlton's depth and the durability of Collingwood's older players.

 

[fusion]

Richmond obviously the biggest winners… for now.

We saw what happened last time they had 5 top 30 picks in 2021 looks a disaster.

Draft poorly and they’ll be begging for priority picks for years.

Get it right and they’ll be back up in 6-7 years.

I love what Richmond has done. It's bold, aggressive and might fast track a rebuild. Having won 3 flags recently will buy some time. There's still premiership players on the list which can help with leadership and development.

The alternative is to wait until all those premiership stars are old and not worth anything in trades, and bottom out when Tasmania comes in.

They are playing to get ahead of the curve, and it could pay off. But it will all come down to which team can draft the generational talent... the next Dusty or Bont etc it's all a bit of a lottery, but they got lots of tickets.

 

[dean33]

Richmond won the trade period hands down.

Adrian Dodoro always won trade week. Dodoro can only dream of half the good trades Richmond did in this trade period.

Richmond won't care about winning the spoon next season. they will pile up on picks in the 2025 and 2026 draft. Let tassie pile up in the 2027 draft.

Your dodoro references to Richmond are not really funny. Best work on some new material.

 

[HairyO]

Out: A Dodoro, K Sheedy, J Stringer; is a great start to the off season for the Bombers

Enough points for Kako this year with what should be a few second/third round picks leftover and potentially two high first round draft picks next year with ours and Melbourne's.

Hopefully Matt Rosa has some form of a competent list build strategy.

Overall I liked what Hawthorn, Adelaide and Geelong did by immediately improving their list without using significant capital.

I found Carlton and Collingwood's strategy very interesting. Both certainly traded for the now with Carlton giving up quite a lot for Pick 3 (although this will pay off if they can draft a star) and Collingwood doing similar for Houston. Both teams will see themselves as flag fancies in 2025 but there's some question on Carlton's depth and the durability of Collingwood's older players.

Yep the Bombers really had 2 things. Get Stringer out and keep the picks and nail the draft. We shall see how that goes. The fascination with one way running half back flankers is surely gone now.

 

[Neale4brownlow]

I don't mind North's moves.
Signals a change in sentiment with the club that they're done with being the perennial rebuilder.

In the end they got who they could with what they had available so can't knock them for it.

Richmond clear big winners. Read the writing on the wall and look to positioned themselves exceptionally well at the perfect timing before tassie.

I won't comment on west coast....

 

[Donflicted]

Yep the Bombers really had 2 things. Get Stringer out and keep the picks and nail the draft. We shall see how that goes. The fascination with one way running half back flankers is surely gone now.

That last part with the HBF is so true

 

[hawkman]

Yep the Bombers really had 2 things. Get Stringer out and keep the picks and nail the draft. We shall see how that goes. The fascination with one way running half back flankers is surely gone now.

The worry for Essendon is if Kako isn't taken inside the first 8 picks then they have missed on getting 2 1st round picks this year

 

[Heaps of fun]

Not sure I follow the logic on Richmond.
It was a calculated choice, recognizing that they were going to slide (or already had) and electing to be marginally worse in the short term but with the prospect of putting together some good young players in what is reportedly a deep first round.
The value they extracted for the departures was nothing short of sensational.

Tigers traded out four of their most reliable, durable and best players. Three of their top 5 in their B&F are going to be playing against them next year. To expect they'll only be marginally worse in the short-term is very optimistic.

 

[L_W_P]

Ummm

Cumming is an Adelaide player now not the Pies..

SOrry, meant Perryman.

Point still stands. Cumming and Perryman were both well under-rated IMO Both teams would be very happy getting them.

 

[Scotland]

We were never trading 2 firsts. Hence why you guys buckled. Realistically we thought pick 14 on its own was enough but your list management team wanted to play ducks and drakes so we got a bit creative. Contracted yes but he's 29. Your not going to get what you might have got 4-5 years earlier based on this fact no matter how much alot of WCE posters were hammering these boards with "we want 2 firsts!!". Could have been a straight forward trade but alas it wasn't.

It's less about the exact outcomes and about the strategy and pattern of being pushovers.

Tim Kelly we paid the most we could. He was OOC and not going anywhere else. Pick 3 we gave away for 12 and 14. No other club would have done that. Baker we gave up pick 14. He was OOC and not going anywhere else.

Meanwhile Richmond got Gold Coast to pay 6 and 23 for Dan Rioli. I know their first pick is worth less to them with academy bidding coming but there's no way Rioli is worth that. Is Bolton worth 10 and 11 and swapping 18 and 14? Iffy.

Hawthorn could have paid more for Barrass. F1 + F1/F2 swap isn't drastically more than F1-2-3. I'm pretty confident in the same position other clubs would have risked holding Barrass to his contract if draft capital was left on the table.

You can't win every trade and we didn't gave away Barrass for 10c on the dollar, and I'm glad he and Jack Darling both got to where they wanted to go as great players over a long period. As a fan watching your team torch a top 3 pick in a strong draft when the list needs young talent then overpaying for an OOC player because "we made a commitment" then trading out a contracted player for what is probably seen as a fair deal to neutrals because we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

I shudder to think of a trade for Chad Warner next year. If we have 3 firsts (as we do right now) We'll end up trading all of them.

 

[L_W_P]

There were some rumours on the Hawks board that the Lions had spoken to Mitch Lewis but he knocked them back.

Would have been an interesting move given Lewis probably won't be back playing footy until later in 2025. Probably wouldn't have enough currency to entice us anyway.

THAT would have been a very interesting play.

Use Daniher and Linc McCarthy as the poster boys for Brisbane rehab.

 

[ABAB]

Hawthorn, Richmond and Adelaide smashed it.

West Coast, Port and North all confuse me.

Port Power had a strategy to get back in this draft by replacing Houston with Perryman and costing them no draft capital which clearly pissed him off. It was going as expected with Melbourne's offer until shit hit the fan then Perryman rejected their massive offer, Port Power couldn't backtrack on offering Houston more money with Perryman's salary as he was already pissed and gone so they had no bargaining leverage with Collingwood. They then offered Lukosius this big money which meant they had no bargaining leverage with GCS, double whammy lol.

 

[Dr Tigris]

How are suns losers?

Fixed our salary cap and probably the best its been ever trading out Atkins and lukocious.

Acquired 2 future first rd picks for next year

Acquired Noble and Rioli ( needed half-back flankers)

Banked enough points for a top 10 academy player in this draft

In the thick of it I thought GC were being poor. Then after the fact I looked at it strategically and went - 'damn good job'. Fixed a heap of issues in one trade period.

 

[Liam Boy]

Tigers traded out four of their most reliable, durable and best players. Three of their top 5 in their B&F are going to be playing against them next year. To expect they'll only be marginally worse in the short-term is very optimistic.

This is North's post-2020 cull on steroids. At least Brown and Higgins weren't in their prime.

 

[Bring back Bas]

How many years have we been hearing this out of Adelaide?

1..? This was the first season that the Crows went into with any real expectation on them. They almost snuck into the finals in 2023 but most agreed that it would have been a surprise and a year earlier than they should have. If you had high expectation on Adelaide between 2020-23, you would have been in a very small minority.

 

[Blackhawk42]

I don't mind North's moves.
Signals a change in sentiment with the club that they're done with being the perennial rebuilder.

In the end they got who they could with what they had available so can't knock them for it.

Richmond clear big winners. Read the writing on the wall and look to positioned themselves exceptionally well at the perfect timing before tassie.

I won't comment on west coast....

Yeah the difference with North this year is that Parker, Daniel and even Darling are likely to add far more than all the B and C graders they've been recruiting in previous years.

You've got multiple premierships and All Australians amongst those guys.

 

[Profop]

This is North's post-2020 cull on steroids. At least Brown and Higgins weren't in their prime.

I mean not really because in our case they wanted to leave rather than being pushed out (in some respects not a positive)

Also we actually got a great return for the players that left which the Roos definitely didn’t

 

[adammania9]

Richmond have walked into the casino and exchanged nearly all of their money for chips. It's 8pm and they will be high rolling until the sun rises. Will their strategies see them leaving better off than they came in with?

I get that they've just about made the best of a terrible situation and they got great returns on every player that left, but the decisions will not pay off (if at all) for a very long time.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Interesting to note that not 1 journo had WCE as a loser despite the reactions from the fans, me included.

I hope the Richmond fans are buckled in for some extreme pain over the next 3 years where I can see them not winning a game next year.

Gave up 3 of their best players for their 2024 draft hand while they'll continue to retire their previous premiership stars.

I have a feeling that the patience of their supporters will well and truly be tested by 2028.

Could be a wise move by Richmond given the tassie team coming in. They may be the last team to build via the draft (except TAS) for the next decade.

 

[Rabish Binney]

Richmond have walked into the casino and exchanged nearly all of their money for chips. It's 8pm and they will be high rolling until the sun rises. Will their strategies see them leaving better off than they came in with?

I get that they've just about made the best of a terrible situation and they got great returns on every player that left, but the decisions will not pay off (if at all) for a very long time.

In before Tassie....

A couple of years of pain you would think. But if the kids they draft turn out to be good (wont know for a while) then the Tiger army will have a very exciting decade of footy ahead of them.

 

[Orange Agent]

Richmond have walked into the casino and exchanged nearly all of their money for chips. It's 8pm and they will be high rolling until the sun rises. Will their strategies see them leaving better off than they came in with?

I get that they've just about made the best of a terrible situation and they got great returns on every player that left, but the decisions will not pay off (if at all) for a very long time.

No, this is Carlton. Everything hedged on one bet.

 

[T4P]

Because the players brought in you can judge off what they have produced at AFL level and have more scope 2013 Jack Billings was considered a can't miss pick and Marcus Bontempelli was a huge bolter

Sure there's greater risk for draftees than established players, but you still run into the same problem. It's incorrect to not value draft picks at all whilst only valuing players because there's slightly less risk.

There are countless examples - Jesse Hogan for one. Great player, average trade in hindsight for Freo, great trade in hindsight for GWS.

 

[Liam Boy]

I mean not really because in our case they wanted to leave rather than being pushed out (in some respects not a positive)

Also we actually got a great return for the players that left which the Roos definitely didn’t

That's true but the part that really hurts is the average age suddenly cratering. It leaves a leadership void that can't be filled by new draftees, at least not for a while, and you run the risk of inculcating those promising young players with a loser mentality because they're in terrible sides for years. Maybe early 2010s Melbourne is a better comparison