Society/Culture Woke. Can you tell real from parody? - Part 2 -

[Frank Bunn]

Your complaints are silly. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Of course the periodic table is still central to the study of chemistry. But modern chemistry exams require less memorisation of the periodic table and more showing of an understanding of how it relates to real world problems than it used to. More higher order thinking skills related to application. Thus questions relate to that. It's only the low order questions that would contain the phrase the periodic table. Students are expected to show their understanding of the periodic table and how elements interact in questions that don't contain the phrase the periodic table..

Sustainability is a major concept in all sciences with in terms of the environment and not.

I studied chemistry until the equivalent of year 12. I was never asked to learn the periodic table but a big chart of it was always on the wall and it was important in understanding why groups of elements had similar properties.

The Victorian Curriculum and Assessment Authority initially proposed even less emphasis on the periodic table. But there was pushback by chemistry teachers.

Experienced chemistry teacher Melissa MacEoin said the periodic table underpinned the entire study of chemistry and that cutting it from the subject’s study design would be “a bit like learning a language without first of all learning its alphabet so you can put it together”.​

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“All things are made of atoms, and chemistry is the study of atoms and how they go together. Those atoms are the 118 elements on the periodic table,” Ms MacEoin, who is also the current president of teachers’ group the Chemistry Education Association, said of its proposed removal.​

The changes to the curriculum was to incorporate more social science. I would argue that it's better to keep chemistry as a hard science subject - about empirical data and evidence. Subjective aspects such as 'sustainability' could be discussed in more general terms in economics, politics and sociology classes.

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander 'knowledge' does not belong at all because it's not science.

 

[Frank Bunn]

I had a vpn when in China to get around the firewall - out of curiosity, why have one on your home network or computer here?

It came free with an anti-virus. kranky al said all his clients use them. He's either recommending really shitty internet and VPN or he's telling porkies.

 

[Pistol Night]

It came free with an anti-virus. kranky al said all his clients use them. He's either recommending really shitty internet and VPN or he's telling porkies.

Or super cautious of his pr0n footprint

 

[sr36]

I studied chemistry until the equivalent of year 12. I was never asked to learn the periodic table but a big chart of it was always on the wall and it was important in understanding why groups of elements had similar properties.

The Victorian Curriculum and Assessment Authority initially proposed even less emphasis on the periodic table. But there was pushback by chemistry teachers.

Experienced chemistry teacher Melissa MacEoin said the periodic table underpinned the entire study of chemistry and that cutting it from the subject’s study design would be “a bit like learning a language without first of all learning its alphabet so you can put it together”.​

​

“All things are made of atoms, and chemistry is the study of atoms and how they go together. Those atoms are the 118 elements on the periodic table,” Ms MacEoin, who is also the current president of teachers’ group the Chemistry Education Association, said of its proposed removal.​

The changes to the curriculum was to incorporate more social science. I would argue that it's better to keep chemistry as a hard science subject - about empirical data and evidence. Subjective aspects such as 'sustainability' could be discussed in more general terms in economics, politics and sociology classes.

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander 'knowledge' does not belong at all because it's not science.

Here's a VCE chemistry exam. Defintiely a sustainability theme in lots of the questions, but I think you'll find that the chemistry is still very much present. Australian curriculum will also have some assessment tasks for chemistry that are not as solely chemistry understanding and knowledge as traditional exams like this, but the "hard science" with discrete knowledge is still expected and examined.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Here's a VCE chemistry exam. Defintiely a sustainability theme in lots of the questions, but I think you'll find that the chemistry is still very much present. Australian curriculum will also have some assessment tasks for chemistry that are not as solely chemistry understanding and knowledge as traditional exams like this, but the knowledge is still expected and examined.

From 2022? Before the new curriculum.

 

[sr36]

From 2022? Before the new curriculum.

You're right. Apologies, here's the sample paper they sent out for 2024's study design:

 

[kranky al]

It came free with an anti-virus. kranky al said all his clients use them. He's either recommending really shitty internet and VPN or he's telling porkies.

My clients are mining / oil and gas etc and all companies like that use vpn as part of secured communications.

 

[kranky al]

We've gone off topic but it wasn't me who first brought up the NBN. Just to humour you I did a quick test. Maybe I was having a good day

No VPN.

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With VPN.

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Now punch it through a vpn

 

[sr36]

Now punch it through a vpn

He showed speeds with and without VPN. Maybe your problem is punching it - not great for laptops or desktops for that matter.

 

[Pistol Night]

He showed speeds with and without VPN. Maybe your problem is punching it - not great for laptops or desktops for that matter.

Or flip phones as I found out one day. Felt badass doing it though

 

[Gethelred]

I studied chemistry until the equivalent of year 12. I was never asked to learn the periodic table but a big chart of it was always on the wall and it was important in understanding why groups of elements had similar properties.

The Victorian Curriculum and Assessment Authority initially proposed even less emphasis on the periodic table. But there was pushback by chemistry teachers.

Experienced chemistry teacher Melissa MacEoin said the periodic table underpinned the entire study of chemistry and that cutting it from the subject’s study design would be “a bit like learning a language without first of all learning its alphabet so you can put it together”.​

​

“All things are made of atoms, and chemistry is the study of atoms and how they go together. Those atoms are the 118 elements on the periodic table,” Ms MacEoin, who is also the current president of teachers’ group the Chemistry Education Association, said of its proposed removal.​

The changes to the curriculum was to incorporate more social science. I would argue that it's better to keep chemistry as a hard science subject - about empirical data and evidence. Subjective aspects such as 'sustainability' could be discussed in more general terms in economics, politics and sociology classes.

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander 'knowledge' does not belong at all because it's not science.

I think it's a pisser you've refused to actually address the post I made to debunk what is a rather misinformative attempt at attacking the current curriculum.

Or - if I were to put it another way - tell me why I shouldn't infract you for misinformation, given how you attempted to affect the pretense that the periodic table was removed from the curriculum.

 

[Frank Bunn]

I think it's a pisser you've refused to actually address the post I made to debunk what is a rather misinformative attempt at attacking the current curriculum.

Or - if I were to put it another way - tell me why I shouldn't infract you for misinformation, given how you attempted to affect the pretense that the periodic table was removed from the curriculum.

Did you read The Age article I linked to? The first sentence was "Lessons on the periodic table and the chemical structure of food could be erased from VCE chemistry classes to make room for the teaching of “green chemistry principles” such as recycling metals and plastics".

As I commented, there was pushback from chemistry teachers to not remove the periodic table from the curriculum but it was still de-emphasised in favour of soft science topics.

You are being selective about misinformation. kranky al claimed that internet speed through a VPN was 2/0.5, "On a good day". The reality is 163/16. Maybe test it for yourself if you don't believe me.

 

[Gethelred]

Did you read The Age article I linked to?

You mean, the Age article I linked in your post which your post quoted?

Yes, I read it. I'd also appreciate you, you know, linking it the first go around instead of me having to chase it up.

The first sentence was "Lessons on the periodic table and the chemical structure of food could be erased from VCE chemistry classes to make room for the teaching of “green chemistry principles” such as recycling metals and plastics".

As I commented, there was pushback from chemistry teachers to not remove the periodic table from the curriculum but it was still de-emphasised in favour of soft science topics.

This is also not your only criticism, Frank. Affecting this pretense isn't doing you any favours.

You are being selective about misinformation. kranky al claimed that internet speed through a VPN was 2/0.5, "On a good day". The reality is 163/16. Maybe test it for yourself if you don't believe me.

If you want to make a complaint concerning moderation, do it via PM please. Otherwise, stay in your lane.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

The reason the age and herald sun stays in business. It’s because they know chuds like sorted will click and reshare every headline about anti woke stuff regardless of its veracity. Emotionally neurotic halfwits.


Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com

 

[sr36]

Did you read The Age article I linked to? The first sentence was "Lessons on the periodic table and the chemical structure of food could be erased from VCE chemistry classes to make room for the teaching of “green chemistry principles” such as recycling metals and plastics".

As I commented, there was pushback from chemistry teachers to not remove the periodic table from the curriculum but it was still de-emphasised in favour of soft science topics.

You are being selective about misinformation. kranky al claimed that internet speed through a VPN was 2/0.5, "On a good day". The reality is 163/16. Maybe test it for yourself if you don't believe me.

There was never any move to remove the periodic table from VCE chemistry. That was misinformation pushed because of the increase in using energy and sustainability contexts to study chemistry.

 

[peetoo]

The reason the age and herald sun stays in business. It’s because they know chuds like sorted will click and reshare every headline about anti woke stuff regardless of its veracity. Emotionally neurotic halfwits.


Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com

It’s like sky news. You can tell from their approach they know maybe half the audience is there to get triggered

 

[kranky al]

Did you read The Age article I linked to? The first sentence was "Lessons on the periodic table and the chemical structure of food could be erased from VCE chemistry classes to make room for the teaching of “green chemistry principles” such as recycling metals and plastics".

As I commented, there was pushback from chemistry teachers to not remove the periodic table from the curriculum but it was still de-emphasised in favour of soft science topics.

You are being selective about misinformation. kranky al claimed that internet speed through a VPN was 2/0.5, "On a good day". The reality is 163/16. Maybe test it for yourself if you don't believe me.

That’s not run through a vpn buddy

 

[Frank Bunn]

That’s not run through a vpn buddy

Yes it is. Did you test it for yourself? Anyone else want to give it a go?

 

[Scotland]

Battery technology is going to move pretty quickly - probably away from many of the current metals, but agree that Australia won't hit targets as we're not willing to spend on infrastructure - too long term for our 4 year election cycles.

Aluminium? Vanadium? Sodium?

All this talk of things that are going to happen is great, but 2050 is 23 years away. Toyota have been making hybrids since the 90s. Tesla started in 2003 and produced their first car in 2008.

This is what is actually inside an EV battery:

 

[kranky al]

Yes it is. Did you test it for yourself? Anyone else want to give it a go?

Show me a screenshot of the actual test.

Use ookla Speedtest

Test to a city over the other side of the country - ie if in Sydney use the telstra server in perth

Perth use telstra Sydney.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Show me a screenshot of the actual test.

Use ookla Speedtest

Test to a city over the other side of the country - ie if in Sydney use the telstra server in perth

Perth use telstra Sydney.

I did that already. I'm in Victoria but the Starlink IP is in Sydney. I clicked 'Choose automatically' on the VPN options - which was Brisbane. Is 1,700 km far enough?

Did you test it for yourself?

 

[sr36]

Aluminium? Vanadium? Sodium?

All this talk of things that are going to happen is great, but 2050 is 23 years away. Toyota have been making hybrids since the 90s. Tesla started in 2003 and produced their first car in 2008.

This is what is actually inside an EV battery:

View attachment 2184574

I didn't mention dates and I don't think we'll hit Kyoto targets. Just that a changeover is inevitable.

 

[kranky al]

I did that already. I'm in Victoria but the Starlink IP is in Sydney. I clicked 'Choose automatically' on the VPN options - which was Brisbane. Is 1,700 km far enough?

Did you test it for yourself?

Can you show me a screenshot of the test pleaase.

 

[the_interloper]

Can you show me a screenshot of the test pleaase.

Screenshots of tests are woke!

 

[kranky al]

Screenshots of tests are woke!

It’s a conspiracy by big data to make Donald trump look combed over