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Just do what WA did and change the name of the holiday and keep the same date. Oh wait, they already did that.
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Just do what WA did and change the name of the holiday and keep the same date. Oh wait, they already did that.
I maintain that the vast majority of average Australians don't give a crap about the exact date and that includes Indigenous Australians. It's just the loud fringe types.
In saying that therefore why not just move it then. Friday against a weekend would be more convenient anyway.
In saying that therefore why not just move it then. Friday against a weekend would be more convenient anyway.
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Last Friday of January, solved.
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Keep up. We've covered that already.
The battery swaps take more like 20 minutes rather than advertised 5. Then there's the queuing time. It looks like each station only has one bay so if you are behind a couple of cars you are looking at a one hour turnaround
Currently you need to buy a NIO to have a battery swap car. Other manufacturers might be looking at it but they would need to redesign their cars around a replaceable battery. It would not be simple to get all the manufacturers to standardise on one battery design so that any car could use any swap facility.
One rationale for buying an EV is that the running costs are lower. That argument doesn't stack up for the battery replacement cars right now. In Germany, NIO offers a 75-kWh battery subscription at € 169 per month (AUD $270) and a 100-kWh pack for € 289 (AUD $465). There are only two free swaps per month with additional swaps at €10 each.
I’m guessing when motor cars came out and horse and carts were pulling gasoline tankers your great grandad was saying exactly the same sort of bunk.
“Ha, you can feed a horse on grass at the side of the road where can you feed your car.”
It’s new tech with only a few years of development behind it.
Soon the infrastructure will catch up and it will just be weird to think of owning anything bar an ev / hydrogen / whatever.
Guys, there's a whole thread on the complexities of the energy transition:
www.bigfooty.com
Perhaps indulge yourselves there?
The war against renewable energy
Th real reason is that energy policy in this country is controlled by the Greenhouse Mafia t's an odd scenario when the Coalition becomes the main opponents to a new, profitable business. Long seen as the small government, pro-business party, the Coalition has engrained itself in the business...
www.bigfooty.com
Perhaps indulge yourselves there?
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Guys, there's a whole thread on the complexities of the energy transition:
The war against renewable energy
Th real reason is that energy policy in this country is controlled by the Greenhouse Mafia t's an odd scenario when the Coalition becomes the main opponents to a new, profitable business. Long seen as the small government, pro-business party, the Coalition has engrained itself in the business...
Perhaps indulge yourselves there?
Electricity is woke though.
Direct from the book of basic dickheads
U r woke!!!!Guys, there's a whole thread on the complexities of the energy transition:
The war against renewable energy
Th real reason is that energy policy in this country is controlled by the Greenhouse Mafia t's an odd scenario when the Coalition becomes the main opponents to a new, profitable business. Long seen as the small government, pro-business party, the Coalition has engrained itself in the business...
Perhaps indulge yourselves there?
Ur post am woke!!!
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If you are a Vic ps. You can work any public holiday and get a day off in lieu.
So not only is the VPS anti Australian, it's anti monarch, anti Christian,anti horse racing,anti weekend. Miss anyone?
So not only is the VPS anti Australian, it's anti monarch, anti Christian,anti horse racing,anti weekend. Miss anyone?
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If you are required to. I'm talking a voluntary arrangement
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So if you think jaguar have gone woke….
Nothing woke about getting electrocuted.
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Yeah I'm sure the teabag with wires that you were spruiking will power your flying car.
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Guys, there's a whole thread on the complexities of the energy transition:
The war against renewable energy
Th real reason is that energy policy in this country is controlled by the Greenhouse Mafia t's an odd scenario when the Coalition becomes the main opponents to a new, profitable business. Long seen as the small government, pro-business party, the Coalition has engrained itself in the business...
Perhaps indulge yourselves there?
We are here because Jaguar conflated wokeness and electric vehicles.
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That's more about exaggerating your woke. Pretend you're vehicle is the ultimate in low environmental impact, but make it run on electricity with environmentally harmful battery related mining products included.
I'm going to put a Tesla badge on my Suzuki ice engine
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Let's not pretend that many for profit firms are actually woke. Green washing is the commercial standard with profit the motive.
We're here because Jaguar have made a commercial decision based on their predictions of where the car market is going.
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I know it's very aux fait for coal huggers to worry about the lasting environmental effects of battery by products but really if you're worried about that and not the continued production of fossil fuels then you're just play acting.
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I wasn't comparing that vehicle to an ice engine. It was a joke comparing it to a bicycle, which is what it resembles and which is a more environmentally friendly vehicle, in terms of both production and running. In Australia, it burns coal, as does a Tesla. And the mining of battery metals is environmentally damaging - a heap of research is being done on moving away from those metals - carbon based batteries are probably coming.
Environmental discussions don't have to be propaganda wars where negative impacts of a more environmentally friendly product are either hidden or exaggerated.
Obviously ice engines are significantly more harmful to the environment. But there are many who think they're being environmentally conscious by running 2 cars - an EV for everyday use and ice for their holidays. They're generally being more harmful as production has a significant environmental impact.
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I agree with you there.
Porsche have backtracked on 'all in' for EVs based on customer feedback. But Jaguar seem to have gone down an ideological direction rather than selling cars for a profit being their main objective. They don't make or sell cars any more. They have become some kind of concept/vision for an LGBT+ activist marketing exec where
The re-brand is not just about Jaguar going all electric. It's part of creating a culture where employees can bring their authentic selves to work. And being on a transformative journey, driven by a belief in diversity, inclusion, creativity, policy, and most importantly action.
You ever sat there and thought to yourself that they aren’t marketing to you?
They are marketing to…. You know, their market. Wealthy inner city latte sippers.
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Do they sell cars?
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Jag weren't thriving. They were in trouble.
They had to change. They didn't have to choose this change, but I disagree with your assumption that it's due to a woke motive. They're hoping this will be a financial winner for them in the future. Looks more like apple marketing of a decade or so ago to me than anything new.
It's a commercial decision, like Porsches. Time will tell which company made a better commercial move.
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Right now we're doing both. We're consuming as much coal as we did 30 years ago and exporting almost 3 times as much. We're using roughly the same amount of oil and about 50% more gas. Population is roughly 50% higher than it was. People seem to think per capita numbers mean something. They don't.
Coal sucks. It was superseded years ago by natural gas as a cleaner fuel source for electricity generation. No one with half a brain should want to bring it back.
The impact of producing battery metals is known. I'm not really concerned about that as metals can generally be recycled and the whole idea of producing EVs is the impact is limited after production, whereas a diesel or gasoline engine will produce ongoing emissions throughout the fossil fuel supply chain. That same impact obviously isn't there if you are just going to use gas or coal to charge EVs anyway. I look forward to the share of EVs on the road growing each year as it will improve air quality in towns and cities. But realistically the environmental impact is being moved, not removed.
The real impact of producing EVs is that auto manufacturers don't actually care about sustainability and either do most car buyers. There is nothing it for Toyota or VW or whoever to make cars that people keep for 10 or 20 years to offset the impact of producing them. They want cars rolling off the line year on year, whether they are EVs or not and regardless of where the raw materials come from. Battery swapping, battery recycling etc. are good ideas but who is really on board? People don't take their 10 or 15 year old cars in for an engine reconditioning any more, they just buy a new car. I don't see EVs changing that behaviour just by being EVs. How many people that own a 10 year old Tesla today would rather have a new battery over a new Tesla? Not many I would guess.
I'm not sure most people understand the gravity of what not using fossil fuels actually looks like. There's about 20 million tonnes of copper produced in the world each year and to reach 2050 net zero targets that needs to be 50. That is huge. Basically the biggest copper mine in the world another 20 or 25 times over. Projects of that size take up to 5-10 years to get off the ground.
Perth/South West WA has about 4 GW of gas/coal, 1 GW of wind and heaps of small solar, maybe 2 GW total. Record demand is a bit over 4 GW. There is currently about a 200 MW battery system at the old Kwinana power station site, so there would need to be another 20 of those to match peak demand. It's a significant undertaking, which people don't want to pay for. Running rooftop solar and having free power during the day is great but people still expect 24/7 power in all weather.
I'm not saying not to do any of this. Just that we're a bit further away from where people think we are.
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