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Yep, got some reward in the Melbourne Test against India.Yze_Class said:
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YOTC said:
I agree with you, YOTC.
But, only agree with you about the first time he was made Scapegaot after Australia lost that Test against South Africa against the SCG.
It wasn't his fault.
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So you think someone who avearged 56 in the 20 tests before the ashes deserved to be dropped?ben.carbonaro said:
Katich needs to be dropped, a test average below 40 in this day and age? pfft!!
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If Damien Martyn wasn't a scapegoat then i'm simply not Australian. If an established player should be dropped after 4 tests of ordinary performance (given their standards) then then i'm sure that nearly every first class player in the country would have received a baggy green by now. He performed for 2 years straight, better than most if not all of the other batsmen. Given he had a poor series, i'm sure he'd be the first to admit that, he also copped two of the worst umpiring decisions of the past few years at the least in those 4 tests.
Based on the ashes series, Martyn and Gilchrist got a similar amount of runs at a similarly ordinary average, why wasn't Gilchrist dropped then?! The difference is, Brad Hodge is pushing for a spot, where as behind Gilchrist there is only Haddin who hasn't really put his hand up for a test spot just yet. However if they based their decision on their being talent outside the XI pushing in, then why wasn't Hayden (who had an equally appaulling ashes series, not to mention he hasnt averaged over 35 for the past handful of test series at least) dropped? I'm sure that Mike Hussey and even Phil Jaques could put up worthy cases for it.
I'm from WA, so yes I hold a bias. However, I wouldn't be so displeased if he were dropped from the One Day team, as he isn't suited to it like he is Test Cricket.
Knowing all this, I don't know how anyone can deny that Damien Martyn was not a scapegoat for the whole ashes squads (barring all but Warne and to an extent Brett Lee) poor series.
Based on the ashes series, Martyn and Gilchrist got a similar amount of runs at a similarly ordinary average, why wasn't Gilchrist dropped then?! The difference is, Brad Hodge is pushing for a spot, where as behind Gilchrist there is only Haddin who hasn't really put his hand up for a test spot just yet. However if they based their decision on their being talent outside the XI pushing in, then why wasn't Hayden (who had an equally appaulling ashes series, not to mention he hasnt averaged over 35 for the past handful of test series at least) dropped? I'm sure that Mike Hussey and even Phil Jaques could put up worthy cases for it.
I'm from WA, so yes I hold a bias. However, I wouldn't be so displeased if he were dropped from the One Day team, as he isn't suited to it like he is Test Cricket.
Knowing all this, I don't know how anyone can deny that Damien Martyn was not a scapegoat for the whole ashes squads (barring all but Warne and to an extent Brett Lee) poor series.
Out of players that were lucky to get a game, Hauritz takes the cake. Simon Cook shouldn't have got a game, but I think he did alright in his brief international career.[/QUOTE]
I am pretty sure he took a 5 for against New Zealand at the WACA , still lucky to get a game though .
I am pretty sure he took a 5 for against New Zealand at the WACA , still lucky to get a game though .
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It was Peter and it was McIntyre
And he wasn't that bad.....at District Level.
Played district cricket at Essendon back in the glory days. Siddons, O'Donnell, Davis, McIntyre made for a very good side.
my goodness some shockers in there.
Brett Lee isnt the worst player to have the baggy green, he is among the worst to consistently get a baggy green though.
Gavin Robertson wsa a shocker, didn't do anything at FC level before elevation.
the 80s were full of of players thrown to the wolves FatCat was another to consistently get a game.
Greg Blewitt is unfairly mentioned, he was a fair test player, and would have played for most other countries in the late 90s and early noughties.
How scott muller got a game when he wasn't in the Qld bowling line up is a mystery of hohns like proportions.
Matty Elliots finishing average in th 30s is a bit unfair too, as he was in and out of the side and never really give a settled berth. Given a decent run without injury he would have been a mid 40s batsman.
That said Hayden and Langer have proven to be close to all time greats as openers. After being initially unconvinced, I rate Langer as a player of grit and determination only one tier below s.waugh and a.border in this latter part of his career.
Katich shouldn't have been selected, but now he has been, he MUST remain in the side to oversee the generation change with Punting.
Punting, clarke and katich will be the only batsmen in this side playing in 2010.
Brett Lee isnt the worst player to have the baggy green, he is among the worst to consistently get a baggy green though.
Gavin Robertson wsa a shocker, didn't do anything at FC level before elevation.
the 80s were full of of players thrown to the wolves FatCat was another to consistently get a game.
Greg Blewitt is unfairly mentioned, he was a fair test player, and would have played for most other countries in the late 90s and early noughties.
How scott muller got a game when he wasn't in the Qld bowling line up is a mystery of hohns like proportions.
Matty Elliots finishing average in th 30s is a bit unfair too, as he was in and out of the side and never really give a settled berth. Given a decent run without injury he would have been a mid 40s batsman.
That said Hayden and Langer have proven to be close to all time greats as openers. After being initially unconvinced, I rate Langer as a player of grit and determination only one tier below s.waugh and a.border in this latter part of his career.
Katich shouldn't have been selected, but now he has been, he MUST remain in the side to oversee the generation change with Punting.
Punting, clarke and katich will be the only batsmen in this side playing in 2010.
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Thank you. Was wondering when somebody was going to bring this bloke up
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How about Paul "Blocker" Wilson or Greg Campbell?
Surely the pace bowler Chris Matthews is up there. He couldn't hit the pitch in his debut - Surely he only played only the one test.
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Paul "Blocka" Wilson - 1 test in India. Bowled 12 overs for no wickets and came off with heatstroke
Scott Muller - I'll give him credit. He performed admirably in the tests that he played but Warney was right (Or should I say "Joe the Camera man" was right)
Sean Young - 1 test. Quacked up and no wickets. Was virtually holidaying in England when he got the call up.'
Wayne Phillips - 1 test. Think he made 13 & 2. Border was furious when Geoff Marsh was dropped for him but when he heard Wayne Phillips was his replacement they nearly all went on strike!
Gavin Robertson - Was bowling pies at local level and then playing tests for Australia not long after. To his credit he was OK when he played especially with the bat.
Chris Matthews - I would have thought that a requirement to play Test cricket would involve landing 1 or 2 on the pitch.
Phil Emery - Darren Berry, you were robbed!
Jo Angel - Would have been a better Test Bowler at the end of his career rather than the start. Liked him as a Shield player.
Greg Campbell - Laughable
Nathan Hauritz - Only a raging turner got him a few in the 1st innings of that India test. Goodbye!
Paul "Blocka" Wilson - 1 test in India. Bowled 12 overs for no wickets and came off with heatstroke
Scott Muller - I'll give him credit. He performed admirably in the tests that he played but Warney was right (Or should I say "Joe the Camera man" was right)
Sean Young - 1 test. Quacked up and no wickets. Was virtually holidaying in England when he got the call up.'
Wayne Phillips - 1 test. Think he made 13 & 2. Border was furious when Geoff Marsh was dropped for him but when he heard Wayne Phillips was his replacement they nearly all went on strike!
Gavin Robertson - Was bowling pies at local level and then playing tests for Australia not long after. To his credit he was OK when he played especially with the bat.
Chris Matthews - I would have thought that a requirement to play Test cricket would involve landing 1 or 2 on the pitch.
Phil Emery - Darren Berry, you were robbed!
Jo Angel - Would have been a better Test Bowler at the end of his career rather than the start. Liked him as a Shield player.
Greg Campbell - Laughable
Nathan Hauritz - Only a raging turner got him a few in the 1st innings of that India test. Goodbye!
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and he was mates with steve waugh, that wouldve helped him get a game.
GrInPoWdErDiAh said:
Poor comparison.
Gilchrist is an indispensible player to the aussie side, VC and a keeper.. Martyn is 'just' a batsman. I mean that with the highest respect. Marto had 8 innings to prove himself. His one-day form wasn't that shyte hot either in the tri-series. In the end, someone had to be dropped - either Marto or Hayden. Then Hayden got a ton. Hodge and Haddin have nothing to do with it.
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I think Wood being mentioned in this thread is a little harsh too. Had to deal with the Windies in their prime, made a few centuries in the 80s with Border when Aussie cricket was at it's lowest ebb.
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Yeah Martyn was a little stiff, it's pretty obvious Hayden should have been the one dropped. He hasn't played like his old self for probably 2 years.GrInPoWdErDiAh said:
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