Your Team's Best 22 - Round 1 2018

[demondavey]

Just like about 14 other sides.

I am not talking about 14 other sides.

 

[getgaff]

FULL BACK: Jackson Nelson ~ Tom Barrass ~ Brad Sheppard
HALF BACK: Shannon Hurn ~ Jeremy McGovern ~ Liam Duggan

CENTRE LINE: Lewis Jetta ~ Dom Sheed ~ Andrew Gaff
RUCK/ FOLLOWERS: Nic Naitanui ~ Luke Shuey ~ Elliot Yeo

HALF FORWARD: Jamie Cripps ~ Jack Darling ~ Mark LeCras
FULL FORWARD: Nathan Vardy ~ Josh Kennedy ~ Liam Ryan

INTERCHANGE: Jack Redden ~ Luke Partington ~ Brandon Ah Chee ~ Daniel Venables

 

[getgaff]

My thoughts on Adelaide, appreciate any feedback

FULL BACK: Luke Brown ~ Daniel Talia - Jake Kelly
HALF BACK: David Mackay ~ Kyle Hartigan ~ Rory Laird

CENTRE LINE: Bryce Gibbs ~ Matt Crouch ~ Rory Atkins
RUCK/ FOLLOWERS: Sam Jacobs ~ Rory Sloane ~ Brad Crouch

HALF FORWARD: Tom Lynch ~ Taylor Walker ~ Richard Douglas
FULL FORWARD: Mitch McGovern ~ Josh Jenkins ~ Eddie Betts

INTERCHANGE: Hugh Greenwood ~ Riley Knight ~ Wayne Milera ~ Curtly Hampton/ Tom Doedee


Changes from GF Side

OUT: Jake Lever ~ IN: Curtly Hampton/ Tom Doedee
OUT: Paul Seedsman ~ IN: Bryce Gibbs
OUT: Andy Otten ~ IN: Mitch McGovern
OUT: Charlie Cameron ~ IN: Wayne Milera

Question mark against Mackay but I think early doors, from a neutrals point of view, his experience gets him first crack at that Brodie Smith half back role in 2018 but with pressure underneath from Doedee and possibly Hampton.

 

[Heaps of fun]

FULL BACK: Jackson Nelson ~ Tom Barrass ~ Brad Sheppard
HALF BACK: Shannon Hurn ~ Jeremy McGovern ~ Liam Duggan

CENTRE LINE: Lewis Jetta ~ Dom Sheed ~ Andrew Gaff
RUCK/ FOLLOWERS: Nic Naitanui ~ Luke Shuey ~ Elliot Yeo

HALF FORWARD: Jamie Cripps ~ Jack Darling ~ Mark LeCras
FULL FORWARD: Nathan Vardy ~ Josh Kennedy ~ Liam Ryan

INTERCHANGE: Jack Redden ~ Luke Partington ~ Brandon Ah Chee ~ Daniel Venables

2018 going to be tough for the Eagles.

 

[eastfreo75]

History says there will be an absolute minimum of two changes at each club from the final 2017 game, with an average of seven changes per club over the last decade.

Interesting, where did you get that from?

Sound about right.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Interesting, where did you get that from?

Sound about right.

My database.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

My thoughts on Adelaide, appreciate any feedback

FULL BACK: Luke Brown ~ Daniel Talia - Jake Kelly
HALF BACK: David Mackay ~ Kyle Hartigan ~ Rory Laird

CENTRE LINE: Bryce Gibbs ~ Matt Crouch ~ Rory Atkins
RUCK/ FOLLOWERS: Sam Jacobs ~ Rory Sloane ~ Brad Crouch

HALF FORWARD: Tom Lynch ~ Taylor Walker ~ Richard Douglas
FULL FORWARD: Mitch McGovern ~ Josh Jenkins ~ Eddie Betts

INTERCHANGE: Hugh Greenwood ~ Riley Knight ~ Wayne Milera ~ Curtly Hampton/ Tom Doedee


Changes from GF Side

OUT: Jake Lever ~ IN: Curtly Hampton/ Tom Doedee
OUT: Paul Seedsman ~ IN: Bryce Gibbs
OUT: Andy Otten ~ IN: Mitch McGovern
OUT: Charlie Cameron ~ IN: Wayne Milera

Question mark against Mackay but I think early doors, from a neutrals point of view, his experience gets him first crack at that Brodie Smith half back role in 2018 but with pressure underneath from Doedee and possibly Hampton.

Lever - likely to be replaced by Doedee who was 1 vote off winning our sanfl b&f. Keath to play games too, particularly where opposition are tall.

Cameron - replaced Gallucci to also bring the pace & tacking, just not as much X factor.

Otten - injured McGovern comes straight back in.

Atkins - Replaced by Gibbs. Atkins will play about half the games, but needs to do better when the heat is on.

Mackay - I have Milera taking Smith's spot on a HBF as we need a good ball user in the backline... with Douglas off a wing, but these 2 could swap. Mackay also to play some games in 2018 as a group battling for a few outside spots.

Seedsman - I have Hampton instead, but they should both play games in 2018 as around the fringe.

 

[iBeng]

FB: Gardiner McStay Mayes
HB: Hodge Andrews Witherden
C: McCluggage Beams Keays
HF: Taylor Hipwood Cameron
FF: Rayner Smith Christensen
Foll: Martin Zorko Mathieson
Int: Rich
3 of: Lester, Berry, Cox, Cutler, Allison, Bastinac, Bell, Robertson, Bailey

Not every game but I think you need Hodge to play initially to set up Mayes, Witherden, Rich etc with the positioning and leadership required. Would be a waste to get him there and not use him on field where his teaching is most effective. Similarly I think you need to lock in Gardiner and McStay down back and get some taller lock down defenders. Maybe you can move McStay forward but you got to have a key defender with some experience to shut it down and similarly a back pocket to do the same.

Midfield is light on which - after the absolutely elite top 2 - is going to hold the team back a bit. I think Bailey will play early and there's plenty of options but not a lot of great ones. Got to wait for Bailey, Rayner, McCluggage, Berry, Keays etc to develop.

Forward line looks really good it's probably just finding that 2nd tall / ruck that will hold things back.

Josh Walker will be in that side to play that role. Most likely in for Smith at the start of the season. Was starting to really influence games towards the end of the season, getting confidence in the role Fagan has for him.

 

[eastfreo75]

My database.

That's pretty impressive

 

[Jesslc]

FB: Nielson ~ Tarrant ~ Williams
HB: Macmillan~ Mckay ~ Thompson
C: Atley ~ Cunnington ~Mcdonald
HF: Wood ~ Waite ~ Simpkin
FF: Turner ~ Brown ~ Ziebell
RUC: Goldstein ~ Higgins ~ Garner
INT: Ahern ~ LDU ~ Hrovat
~ Mountford

 

[22Lions22]

FB: Gardiner McStay Mayes
HB: Hodge Andrews Witherden
C: McCluggage Beams Keays
HF: Taylor Hipwood Cameron
FF: Rayner Smith Christensen
Foll: Martin Zorko Mathieson
Int: Rich
3 of: Lester, Berry, Cox, Cutler, Allison, Bastinac, Bell, Robertson, Bailey

Not every game but I think you need Hodge to play initially to set up Mayes, Witherden, Rich etc with the positioning and leadership required. Would be a waste to get him there and not use him on field where his teaching is most effective. Similarly I think you need to lock in Gardiner and McStay down back and get some taller lock down defenders. Maybe you can move McStay forward but you got to have a key defender with some experience to shut it down and similarly a back pocket to do the same.

Midfield is light on which - after the absolutely elite top 2 - is going to hold the team back a bit. I think Bailey will play early and there's plenty of options but not a lot of great ones. Got to wait for Bailey, Rayner, McCluggage, Berry, Keays etc to develop.

Forward line looks really good it's probably just finding that 2nd tall / ruck that will hold things back.

Ya there is a few options but I don't like Hodge taking games off the kids there is plenty of opportunities for Hodge to run around in the preseason to coach backline.

These youngsters need heaps of game simulation.

And Rich would never be in a backline I pick as my backline standards for speed and agility would not allow it.

There is just no point picking guys that don't have the speed and agility to break tags because in a final a dominate play maker will get tagged.

Rich came to the lions as a WA kid who was playing mid field against men (open grade) WAFL, to the lions shame they have allowed his ball winning skills to denigrate.

For mine, if Rich cannot win enough ball in the AFL to be the Lions main inside mid, he has to go back to the NEAFL and relearn from scrath.

And McStay is to good a lead to remain in the back line, he gets a good go up forward to prove himself.

And Andrews has to be set free as his intercept marking is elite.

In todays game a Intercept marking machine in backline is nearly as important as your inside mid ball winner.

One doesn't send your inside mid ball winner out to tag an opponent so one doesn't send your backline intercept marker out to tag an opponent either.

In my opinion.

 

[getgaff]

I've had my go at Adelaide's so here's my crack at Brisbane

FULL BACK: Alex Witherden ~ Jack Frost/ Daniel McStay ~ Darcy Gardiner
HALF BACK: Sam Mayes ~ Harris Andrews ~ Luke Hodge

CENTRE LINE: Hugh McCluggage ~ Dayne Beams ~ Daniel Rich
RUCK/ FOLLOWERS: Stefan Martin ~ Rhys Mathieson ~ Dayne Zorko

HALF FORWARD: Charlie Cameron ~ Eric Hipwood ~ Lewis Taylor
FULL FORWARD: Allen Christensen ~ Josh Walker ~ Cam Rayner

INTERCHANGE: Ryan Bastinac ~ Mitch Robinson ~ Jarryd Berry ~ 1 of Daniel McStay/ Ryan Lester/ Nick Robertson

 

[eth-dog]

Will do this in stages of 3

Adelaide:

FB: Luke Brown - Daniel Talia - Andy Otten
HB: Rory Laird - Kyle Hartigan - Jake Kelly
MF: Jordan Gallucci - Bryce Gibbs - Rory Atkins
HF: Tom Lynch - Mitch McGovern - Rory Sloane
FF: Eddie Betts - Taylor Walker - Josh Jenkins
OB: Sam Jacobs - Matt Crouch - Brad Crouch
IC: Hugh Greenwood - Paul Seedsman - Tom Doedee - Richard Douglas

Brisbane:

FB: Darcy Gardiner - Harris Andrews - Luke Hodge
HB: Tom Cutler - Daniel McStay - Cedric Cox
MF: Sam Mayes - Jarrod Berry - Daniel Rich
HF: Allen Christenson - Josh Walker - Charlie Cameron
FF: Lewis Taylor - Eric Hipwood - Jacob Allison
OB: Stefan Martin - Dayne Beams - Dayne Zorko
IC: Alex Witherden - Hugh McCluggage - Rhys Mathieson - Cameron Rayner

Carlton:

FB: Lachie Plowman - Jacob Weitering - Caleb Marchbank
HB: Cameron O'Shea - Liam Jones - Kade Simpson
MF: David Cuningham - Patrick Cripps - Darcy Lang
HF: Charlie Curnow - Harry McKay - Jack Silvagni
FF: Matthew Wright - Levi Casboult - Zac Fisher
OB: Matthew Kreuzer - Marc Murphy - Paddy Dow
IC: Tom Williamson - Sam Petrevski-Seton - Matt Kennedy - Ed Curnow

 

[Tarkyn_24]

No Essendon side should have Hooker in defence. He will be playing forward, I mean he didn't even go back when we had Ambrose and Brown out injured with no key defender to come in.

FB: Gleeson - Hartley - Ambrose
HB: McKenna - Hurley - Saad
MF: Zaharakis - Heppell - Z Merrett
HF: Stringer - Daniher - McDonald-Tipungwuti
FF: Fantasia - Hooker - Stewart
OB: Bellchambers - Smith - Langford
IC: McGrath - Parish - Goddard - Redman*

EM: Begley - Laverde - Brown

*Redman is a bolter for me due to his versatility. He can play forward, back and in the middle, has good pace and a lot of campaigner in him. Can see that spot being taken by Myers, Laverde, Begley, Francis, even Long or Clarke.

I never understood why you wouldn’t have Hooker back?

 

[carnthedons]

I never understood why you wouldn’t have Hooker back?

He kicked 40 goals in his first year as a forward and due to his strength and marking ability takes a big defender with him away from MOTY Daniher.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

He kicked 40 goals in his first year as a forward and due to his strength and marking ability takes a big defender with him away from MOTY Daniher.

He played forward a bit in 2009

I think it’s a bit of a Ben Reid situation in that they’re such good defenders that you’re robbing Peter to pay Paul a bit when you swing them forward. The difference though is I felt Essendons forward stocks already batted pretty well without needing Hooker.

Just an outside perspective, I don’t really know - hence the question.

 

[carnthedons]

He played forward a bit in 2009

I think it’s a bit of a Ben Reid situation in that they’re such good defenders that you’re robbing Peter to pay Paul a bit when you swing them forward. The difference though is I felt Essendons forward stocks already batted pretty well without needing Hooker.

Just an outside perspective, I don’t really know - hence the question.

Yeah it’s a fair question but given how our forward line performed in 2017, hard to see it changing.

 

[Scythe94]

FB: Jetta ~ O McDonald ~ Lever
HB: Hibberd ~ Frost ~ Hunt
C: Salem ~ Tyson ~ Jones
HF: Petracca~ Hogan ~ Melksham
FF: Garlett ~ T McDonald ~ Neal-Bullen
R: Gawn ~ Oliver ~ Viney

I/C: Brayshaw ~ Lewis ~ Harmes ~ Hannan

 

[adammania9]

B: Jeremy Howe - Lynden Dunn - Tom Langdon
HB: Jack Crisp - Darcy Moore - Brayden Maynard
C: Adam Treloar - Taylor Adams - Jordan De Goey
HF: Will Hoskin-Elliott - Ben Reid - Steele Sidebottom
F: Alex Fasolo - Mason Cox - Jamie Elliott
R: Brodie Grundy - Scott Pendlebury - Daniel Wels
I: Tyson Goldsack - Levi Greenwood - Tom Phillips - Kayle Kirby

E: Jaidyn Stephenson - Matthew Scharenberg - Travis Varcoe

 

[eth-dog]

He played forward a bit in 2009

I think it’s a bit of a Ben Reid situation in that they’re such good defenders that you’re robbing Peter to pay Paul a bit when you swing them forward. The difference though is I felt Essendons forward stocks already batted pretty well without needing Hooker.

Just an outside perspective, I don’t really know - hence the question.

We had the second most efficient forward line in 2017, only 0.15% less efficient than Adelaide.

We have the key defenders to cover him, but not the key forwards.

 

[eth-dog]

Will do this in stages of 3

Adelaide:

FB: Luke Brown - Daniel Talia - Andy Otten
HB: Rory Laird - Kyle Hartigan - Jake Kelly
MF: Jordan Gallucci - Bryce Gibbs - Rory Atkins
HF: Tom Lynch - Mitch McGovern - Rory Sloane
FF: Eddie Betts - Taylor Walker - Josh Jenkins
OB: Sam Jacobs - Matt Crouch - Brad Crouch
IC: Hugh Greenwood - Paul Seedsman - Tom Doedee - Richard Douglas

Brisbane:

FB: Darcy Gardiner - Harris Andrews - Luke Hodge
HB: Tom Cutler - Daniel McStay - Cedric Cox
MF: Sam Mayes - Jarrod Berry - Daniel Rich
HF: Allen Christenson - Josh Walker - Charlie Cameron
FF: Lewis Taylor - Eric Hipwood - Jacob Allison
OB: Stefan Martin - Dayne Beams - Dayne Zorko
IC: Alex Witherden - Hugh McCluggage - Rhys Mathieson - Cameron Rayner

Carlton:

FB: Lachie Plowman - Jacob Weitering - Caleb Marchbank
HB: Cameron O'Shea - Liam Jones - Kade Simpson
MF: David Cuningham - Patrick Cripps - Darcy Lang
HF: Charlie Curnow - Harry McKay - Jack Silvagni
FF: Matthew Wright - Levi Casboult - Zac Fisher
OB: Matthew Kreuzer - Marc Murphy - Paddy Dow
IC: Tom Williamson - Sam Petrevski-Seton - Matt Kennedy - Ed Curnow

Next lot of 3.

Collingwood:

FB: Tom Langdon - Lynden Dunn - Jeremy Howe
HB: Josh Smith - Matthew Scharenberg - Sam Murray
MF: Steele Sidebottom - Adam Treloar - Daniel Wells
HF: Jordan De Goey - Ben Reid - Tom Phillips
FF: Alex Fasolo - Darcy Moore - Jamie Elliott
OB: Brodie Grundy - Scott Pendlebury - Taylor Adams
IC: Jack Crisp - Levi Greenwood - Will Hoskin-Elliott - Jaidyn Stephenson

I know the non-selection of Maynard will be controversial but the bloke is a complete spud. Can't kick, can't defend, and is basically Henry Slattery.

Essendon:

FB: Martin Gleeson - Michael Hartley - Aaron Francis
HB: Conor McKenna - Michael Hurley - Adam Saad
MF: David Zaharakis - Dyson Heppell - Zachary Merrett
HF: Jake Stringer - Joe Daniher - Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti
FF: Orazio Fantasia - Cale Hooker - James Stewart
OB: Tom Bellchambers - Devon Smith - Kyle Langford
IC: Andrew McGrath - Darcy Parish - Brendan Goddard - Jayden Laverde

A couple of changes from the last team

Fremantle:

FB: Cameron Sutcliffe - Joel Hamling - Griffen Logue
HB: Nathan Wilson - Alex Pearce - Luke Ryan
MF: Brad Hill - Nathan Fyfe - Stephen Hill
HF: Harley Bennell - Cameron McCarthy - Michael Walters
FF: Brandon Matera - Brennan Cox - Sean Darcy
OB: Aaron Sandilands - Lachie Neale - David Mundy
IC: Adam Cerra - Andrew Brayshaw - Tom Sheridan - Connor Blakely

That side will scare several good sides in 2018. What it lacks in potency in terms of key forwards it more than makes up in speed with Wilson, Ryan, Hill x2, Bennell, Walters, Matera and Sheridan

 

[Altum Volantes]

FULL BACK: Jackson Nelson ~ Tom Barrass ~ Brad Sheppard
HALF BACK: Shannon Hurn ~ Jeremy McGovern ~ Liam Duggan

CENTRE LINE: Lewis Jetta ~ Dom Sheed ~ Andrew Gaff
RUCK/ FOLLOWERS: Nic Naitanui ~ Luke Shuey ~ Elliot Yeo

HALF FORWARD: Jamie Cripps ~ Jack Darling ~ Mark LeCras
FULL FORWARD: Nathan Vardy ~ Josh Kennedy ~ Liam Ryan

INTERCHANGE: Jack Redden ~ Luke Partington ~ Brandon Ah Chee ~ Daniel Venables

I think MacKenzie will still play the majority - I’d have him in over Nelson.

Lycett I think shades Vardy, despite Vardy’s solid 2017 - he’s just not that good a ruckman and we got more from Petrie up forward.

Hutchings I think has a spot to start with, I don’t see them taking Partington and Venables in together (at least not to start the year), so Partington out for me.

2018 going to be tough for the Eagles.

Definitely possible but could also be a much needed refresh after a couple of years treading water. Expectations are currently muted but history suggests the club tends to bounce back well.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Next lot of 3.

Collingwood:

FB: Tom Langdon - Lynden Dunn - Jeremy Howe
HB: Josh Smith - Matthew Scharenberg - Sam Murray
MF: Steele Sidebottom - Adam Treloar - Daniel Wells
HF: Jordan De Goey - Ben Reid - Tom Phillips
FF: Alex Fasolo - Darcy Moore - Jamie Elliott
OB: Brodie Grundy - Scott Pendlebury - Taylor Adams
IC: Jack Crisp - Levi Greenwood - Will Hoskin-Elliott - Jaidyn Stephenson

I know the non-selection of Maynard will be controversial but the bloke is a complete spud. Can't kick, can't defend, and is basically Henry Slattery.

Can’t agree. Maynard’s endeavour is huge and we desperately need more physicality through our backline. Kicking isn’t terrible (that’s Langdon) and defensively he’s pretty solid.

 

[Madtiger2006]

Why haven’t collingwood drafted any talls? They have a strong midfield but they drafted even more midfielders the last 2 drafts. Dunn, Goldsack and Reid could retire this year. They are 5 years off have a good young spine now. By then some of their best players will be old. They had the perfect chance to draft talls and have them ready in 3-4 years. Reckon they’ll finish in the same spot outside the 8 for the next 5-10 years.

 

[carnthedons]

Why haven’t collingwood drafted any talls? They have a strong midfield but they drafted even more midfielders the last 2 drafts. Dunn, Goldsack and Reid could retire this year. They are 5 years off have a good young spine now. By then some of their best players will be old. They had the perfect chance to draft talls and have them ready in 3-4 years. Reckon they’ll finish in the same spot outside the 8 for the next 5-10 years.

Because Tom Lynch is coming, obviously.

Agree with this post though, they’ve loaded up on mids, mids and more mids, most of whom have terrible disposal, so they’ll have no trouble getting the ball, they’ll just give it straight back to the opposition.