Autopsy Umpires ruin a classic - Pies carried to 76-70 win

[mikey83]

We did the right thing by him when he requested a trade.

But did Beveridge do the right thing by d*cking around with his position all of last year?

Macrae is a bonafide A-grader. Find it strange Bevo moved him to the half forward flank/wing to accommodate Gallagher and Sanders in the middle.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

You're damn right i think we deserved to win .. umpiring debacle or not.

The heart shown given how heavily undermanned we were deserved a better result... and it deserved a much better standard of umpiring which ruined them game

Gotta get better at the basics - tackling, hitting targets, making good position, avoiding turnovers.

 

[Doggy]

Gotta get better at the basics - tackling, hitting targets, making good position, avoiding turnovers.

We have many important players out. Don't you think some of that improves as they come back?

 

[Bald]

But did Beveridge do the right thing by d*cking around with his position all of last year?

Macrae is a bonafide A-grader. Find it strange Bevo moved him to the half forward flank/wing to accommodate Gallagher and Sanders in the middle.

Macrae is an accumulator.

So is Treloar.

Treloar was All Australian last year.

Edit: I’d expect you’d know this given having too many players who just get the ball a lot is what’s wrong with your club.

 

[mikey83]

If Macrae was still with us, that means we have another mid we have to juggle around when trying to squeeze the youth in the midfield in order to prevent us from completing dropping off once the 30 year olds retire.

Not buying that.
Macrae isn't 37, he's 30.
Hawthorn won three flags in a row with players like Sam Mitchell and Shaun Burgoyne well into their 30s.
Collingwood in 2023 ran a very old midfield too, and they're still hanging around even this year. 37 year old Pendlebury clearly had a bigger influence than the "younger", " fresher" Sanders.

Yes, the umpiring was terrible, but if Macrae was playing midfield you guys win that game.

 

[mikey83]

Macrae is an accumulator.

So is Treloar.

 

[Bald]

If you have nothing else to say, perhaps it’s best you leave.

 

[Doggy]

Not buying that.
Macrae isn't 37, he's 30.
Hawthorn won three flags in a row with players like Sam Mitchell and Shaun Burgoyne well into their 30s.
Collingwood in 2023 ran a very old midfield too, and they're still hanging around even this year. 37 year old Pendlebury clearly had a bigger influence than the "younger", " fresher" Sanders.

Yes, the umpiring was terrible, but if Macrae was playing midfield you guys win that game.

If Bont was playing we'd have won by a fair bit more.

That doesn't count JOD, Weightman, Jones, Treloar, JUH etc.

We're doing fine

 

[CarnTheScray]

Not buying that.
Macrae isn't 37, he's 30.
Hawthorn won three flags in a row with players like Sam Mitchell and Shaun Burgoyne well into their 30s.
Collingwood in 2023 ran a very old midfield too, and they're still hanging around even this year. 37 year old Pendlebury clearly had a bigger influence than the "younger", " fresher" Sanders.

Yes, the umpiring was terrible, but if Macrae was playing midfield you guys win that game.

Sam Mitchell was a better player and Burgoyne was a completely different type of player with statistical anomaly of games played?

 

[mikey83]

If Bont was playing we'd have won by a fair bit more.

That doesn't count JOD, Weightman, Jones, Treloar, JUH etc.

We're doing fine

I just dispute the idea you are better off without Macrae. That is just silly.

35 disposals, 10 tackles, 9 clearances on Saturday, and when all his Saints teammates were panicking, he was the one with the poise and experience to land his possessions. He's still a gun, and will continue to be well into his 30s.

 

[Doggy]

I just dispute the idea you are better off without Macrae. That is just silly.

35 disposals, 10 tackles, 9 clearances on Saturday, and when all his Saints teammates were panicking, he was the one with the poise and experience to land his possessions. He's still a gun, and will continue to be well into his 30s.

Why are you here arguing?

Macrae wasn't getting played because the club was trying to get more speed in the middle... the same problem Carlton has

 

[Mojorisin]

I just dispute the idea you are better off without Macrae. That is just silly.

35 disposals, 10 tackles, 9 clearances on Saturday, and when all his Saints teammates were panicking, he was the one with the poise and experience to land his possessions. He's still a gun, and will continue to be well into his 30s.

Matt Kennedy goes ok.

 

[mikey83]

Sam Mitchell was a better player and Burgoyne was a completely different type of player with statistical anomaly of games played?

Doesn't really matter who's better than who. Macrae showed last night he's still an A-grader, and has plenty to offer. The idea of pushing a 30 year old gun out of the midfield to accommodate "youth" doesn't hold up, especially when the youth's output is not even half as good.
Collingwood had even more 30+ year olds through the middle in 2023: Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Crisp, Mitchell.

 

[_Cerberus_]

I just dispute the idea you are better off without Macrae. That is just silly.

35 disposals, 10 tackles, 9 clearances on Saturday, and when all his Saints teammates were panicking, he was the one with the poise and experience to land his possessions. He's still a gun, and will continue to be well into his 30s.

The issue was, we had too many slow legs at center bounces, and teams were walking out of the midfield on fast 5 goals runs for two or three years. We moved Treloar back to a more inside role, and gave Richards an opportunity. Teams were no long going on fast 5 goals in half a quarter runs on us as often. And we needed more leg speed across the ground in general, as our defense was too exposed. We ended up improving defensively last year massively.

Macrae would be fine IF he was the number one guy in the middle for us, as he is at the Saints right now. So we had to find another role for him, he didn't have the pace for winger, nor making ability to play high half forward, which is where Kennedy is better at currently. There were also times in the last two years, where he pulled out of contests/stopped chasing people. I think a fresh start is what he needed.

He wasn't pushing Libba, Treloar, Bont and Richards out of the middle. We also now have Kennedy, along with two kids in Freijah and Sanders to develop.

 

[mikey83]

Why are you here arguing?

Macrae wasn't getting played because the club was trying to get more speed in the middle... the same problem Carlton has

Actually Carlton's problem is something else, but coincidentally the Bulldogs have the exact same problem: too many C-graders, too heavily dependent on top end talent to carry all the baggage.

The umps might've reamed you, but it still felt like I was watching Carlton on Friday night. Libba, Richards, Lobb, Darcy carrying way too much of the load. Sanders, Gallagher, McNeil, Arthur Jones ineffectual.

 

[Mojorisin]

Actually Carlton's problem is something else, but coincidentally the Bulldogs have the exact same problem: too many C-graders, too heavily dependent on top end talent to carry all the baggage.

The umps might've reamed you, but it still felt like I was watching Carlton on Friday night. Libba, Richards, Lobb, Darcy carrying way too much of the load. Sanders, Gallagher, McNeil, Arthur Jones ineffectual.

You do realise who we have out right?

 

[weltschmerz]

Actually Carlton's problem is something else, but coincidentally the Bulldogs have the exact same problem: too many C-graders, too heavily dependent on top end talent to carry all the baggage.

The umps might've reamed you, but it still felt like I was watching Carlton on Friday night. Libba, Richards, Lobb, Darcy carrying way too much of the load. Sanders, Gallagher, McNeil, Arthur Jones ineffectual.

On a regular day we'd also have Bont, Treloar, Weightman, and L Jones carrying plenty of the load and players like Gallagher in the VFL. We've had to dig really deep into our depth and play guys who aren't really up to it due to injury.

 

[mikey83]

Macrae would be fine IF he was the number one guy in the middle for us, as he is at the Saints right now. So we had to find another role for him

Sorry but this is just nonsense.
Macrae was never the #1 guy in the Dogs midfield, the Bont was. Macrae is a specialist support midfielder; he prefers being the supporting cast. Back in 2021 you had Bont, Treloar, Libba, Dunkley and Bailey Smith. Macrae was still AA that year.

Macrae was pushed out of your midfield last year to accommodate players like Gallagher and Sanders. The rationale is questionable to say the least.

 

[Mojorisin]

Sorry but this is just nonsense.
Macrae was never the #1 guy in the Dogs midfield, the Bont was. Macrae is a specialist support midfielder; he prefers being the supporting cast. Back in 2021 you had Bont, Treloar, Libba, Dunkley and Bailey Smith. Macrae was still AA that year.

Macrae was pushed out of your midfield last year to accommodate players like Gallagher and Sanders. The rationale is questionable to say the least.

Thank you for teaching us about our team. You have endeared yourself well.

 

[mikey83]

On a regular day we'd also have Bont, Treloar, Weightman, and L Jones carrying plenty of the load and players like Gallagher in the VFL. We've had to dig really deep into our depth and play guys who aren't really up to it due to injury.

You had the same problems last year with far fewer injuries too.

You had Macrae available for most of last year but Bevo decided he liked Gallagher better.

Can guarantee you every single club in the AFL would take a 30 year old Macrae over Harvey Gallagher.

 

[weltschmerz]

Sorry but this is just nonsense.
Macrae was never the #1 guy in the Dogs midfield, the Bont was. Macrae is a specialist support midfielder; he prefers being the supporting cast. Back in 2021 you had Bont, Treloar, Libba, Dunkley and Bailey Smith. Macrae was still AA that year.

Macrae was pushed out of your midfield last year to accommodate players like Gallagher and Sanders. The rationale is questionable to say the least.

Macrae was behind Bont, Libba, Treloar, and Richards. Bont is Bont, Libba is unquestionably essential, and Treloar and Richards complement those two very well with their pace - a Bont, Libba, Macrae midfield is too slow for current day AFL. It made a lot of sense to let him go somewhere where he wouldn't be behind four other extremely good midfielders.

 

[mikey83]

Macrae was behind Bont, Libba, Treloar, and Richards. Bont is Bont, Libba is unquestionably essential, and Treloar and Richards complement those two very well with their pace - a Bont, Libba, Macrae midfield is too slow for current day AFL. It made a lot of sense to let him go somewhere where he wouldn't be behind four other extremely good midfielders.

Umm... your club made the Grand Final in 2021 with Bont, Libba, Macrae.
And Macrae was AA that year.
Collingwood recently won a flag with a 35 year old Pendlebury, 33 year old Sidebottom and a 30 year old Tom Mitchell running through the middle.

 

[weltschmerz]

Do you have a point here? It would have been great to keep Macrae. We love him. He chose to go somewhere he could lead the midfield instead of being fifth in line. That's his right.

 

[CarnTheScray]

Doesn't really matter who's better than who. Macrae showed last night he's still an A-grader, and has plenty to offer. The idea of pushing a 30 year old gun out of the midfield to accommodate "youth" doesn't hold up, especially when the youth's output is not even half as good.
Collingwood had even more 30+ year olds through the middle in 2023: Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Crisp, Mitchell.

Yes it does. It does matter who’s better than who. Can you imagine Macrae trying to chase Daicos or any of Collingwoods mids in the openness of last night. The game has moved to speed and quick transition, and the only two teams who are yet to realise that are Melbourne and Carlton.

Instead of trying your heart out to make the Macrae trade look like some unjustifiable deal, worry about Carlton’s own list dilemmas. Had to trade out two serviceable players because their salary cap is like a haemorrhoid ready to burst.

We have moved past Macrae. Will always be a club legend and everyone knows he is a terrific player, but we had to make changes to stay up.

 

[_Cerberus_]

Sorry but this is just nonsense.
Macrae was never the #1 guy in the Dogs midfield, the Bont was. Macrae is a specialist support midfielder; he prefers being the supporting cast. Back in 2021 you had Bont, Treloar, Libba, Dunkley and Bailey Smith. Macrae was still AA that year.

Macrae was pushed out of your midfield last year to accommodate players like Gallagher and Sanders. The rationale is questionable to say the least.

You clearly misinterpreted my post. I NEVER said Macrae was the number one guy. I said IF he was the main center bounce guy on a team, where he can display his strengths, and minimize the exposure of his weaknesses. Putting him in the middle just reduces our overall leg speed. Sanders barely played last year. Gags was used fairly early on, but Richards ended up coming in. Not sure why you say it is questionable when we improved in the center last season on the previous, as well as improving massively across overall team defence across the ground, and barely had any fast 5 goal runs on us. Those three things improved alone.

I am happy he is doing well at the Saints. But no way he would be the difference maker for us right now, in an era of run and gun football. Richards was the difference for us vs Collingwood with his ability to break away on the spread. Replace him with Macrae, would it be the same?