2nds Crows in SANFL season 2018

[Bicks]

I don't remember it very well, but I'm sure I've read there's a maximum number of interstate players we can have. I think it's two, and Lonergan is one of those for this year.

You're right by the looks unless there's been a rule change in the meantime but we should be hotly contesting that rule, still begs the question though how was Murphy on our SANFL list and Lonergan this year??

http://www.afc.com.au/news/2014-08-28/new-sanfl-rules-for-crows

 

[GrommoT]

You're right by the looks unless there's been a rule change in the meantime but we should be hotly contesting that rule, still begs the question though how was Murphy on our SANFL list and Lonergan this year??

http://www.afc.com.au/news/2014-08-28/new-sanfl-rules-for-crows

The SANFL’s annual licence review approved the ability for both AFL clubs to sign two teenage talents from interstate to their SANFL development lists for a maximum period of two years.

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[Bicks]

The SANFL’s annual licence review approved the ability for both AFL clubs to sign two teenage talents from interstate to their SANFL development lists for a maximum period of two years.

So we have none this season then....very disappointing that the club's not using this to the fullest IMO.

 

[ad victoriam]

So we have none this season then....very disappointing that the club's not using this to the fullest IMO.

James Loneragan, fill one spot but yea should have looked for a player for the 2nd spot.

 

[chazwazza]

Full Brazilian — born and raised in its Southernmost state.

That would explain you interest in diving then.
Anyway at least one of your football teams has the right colours, you really should jump onboard a real SANFL club like Sturt and continue with the colours that you grew up with.
You know it makes sense.

 

[Bicks]

James Loneragan, fill one spot but yea should have looked for a player for the 2nd spot.

He was 20 years old before the start of the season 24/01/98 so they must class the age eligibility before the pre-season starts or the previous year's National Draft? Can't really see why the SANFL clubs have a problem with it as these kids would in the main be up against mature bodied SANFL players.

 

[ad victoriam]

He was 20 years old before the start of the season 24/01/98 so they must class the age eligibility before the pre-season starts or the previous year's National Draft? Can't really see why the SANFL clubs have a problem with it as these kids would in the main be up against mature bodied SANFL players.

Think there a bit of spite with some SANFL clubs, Some clubs do not want a Crows team in the Comp. and tend to go out of there way to make it hard. Unfortunately, my SANFL club is one of them. ( and guess what some of the most vocal support Port in the AFL)
That will change when the AFL has a reserves comp,
Then I can see the Crows getting most of there top-ups from the TAC country teams.
And maybe running a Crows academy team in the SANFL reserves. Or a couple of SANFL teams breaking away and allowing Crow top-ups to play for there teams when not required for the AFLR.

 

[Mego Red]

James Loneragan, fill one spot but yea should have looked for a player for the 2nd spot.

Wasn't there someone who played okay in the earlier SANFL trial who was also from the NEAFL?

 

[hey shorty]

The reality is most of our top up players aren't even the best country footballers, most of whom would be extremely comfortable at this level but don't want to drop their massive pay packets

 

[GremioPower]

That would explain you interest in diving then.
Anyway at least one of your football teams has the right colours, you really should jump onboard a real SANFL club like Sturt and continue with the colours that you grew up with.
You know it makes sense.

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Nice. Thank you! Sturt has pretty colours, indeed.

Grêmio is not double blue, though, but sky blue, black, and white:

 

[chazwazza]

Nice. Thank you! Sturt has pretty colours, indeed.

Grêmio is not double blue, though, but sky blue, black, and white:
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Close enough and better than teal, which is really just a dirty pale blue.

 

[1970crow]

Wasn't so much the lack of zip which concerned me, but his positioning and hunting the ball.

We'll have to wait and see, sure. But at least with other lads I noticed understanding in their games at SANFL level (Doedee, Milera, Poholke etc).

Hopefully it's just a down patch, but...

Hunting ball is the key for me. I've referenced this a lot in previous posts. Being strong along the deck is a key. Smith and Seed are 2 that ignore everything around them while hunting the ball fast at ground level. And yet they're seen as outside only players. People only see certain acts on the footy field.

 

[GreyCrow]

If I were the crows I'd be pretty keen for an AFL reserves

If the sanfl wants to put so many limits on our top up talent they can GaGF

It will effect the development of our listed players

Quick question that may have already been answered but where would our top ups come from and do they need to be on a 'supplementary list'

 

[GrommoT]

Quick question that may have already been answered but where would our top ups come from and do they need to be on a 'supplementary list'

Imagine these things are being considered if AFL really are trying to get this happening by next year.

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[MRB37]

The reality is most of our top up players aren't even the best country footballers, most of whom would be extremely comfortable at this level but don't want to drop their massive pay packets

I believe the reason Dylan Schoenmakers stopped playing for us was because he was getting $800 a game to go play country footy.

 

[Bicks]

James Loneragan, fill one spot but yea should have looked for a player for the 2nd spot.

Just on that we are allowed to have 1 marquee player in our SANFL side, why haven't we gone down that road with an ex AFL player? Someone of Summerton's ilk would have been handy yesterday to support our youngsters.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/messe...e/news-story/c5038d153c89bac44b163330eb975125

STEVEN Summerton will be eligible to play in every Port Adelaide league game next year after a SANFL rule change. The Magpies captain was forced to play five reserves games this past season because of a SANFL rule stipulating that available Power players had to be selected ahead of those with league contracts. But as of 2018, the 29-year-old midfielder, who has re-signed with Port today, will be able to feature in every league game regardless of the number of AFL-listed players available. The SANFL announced today that it had changed its rule and both the Port and Crows reserves teams would be able to field one marquee contracted player – such as Summerton – in every match. SANFL football general manger Adam Kelly said the original rule was introduced in the first year of fielding AFL reserves teams in the state league in 2014 to uphold the integrity of the competition. Kelly said the former stipulation had not contemplated that all 21 AFL-listed players would be available, resulting in no top-up players lining up in a league match. “The provisions of the licence agreement … were included to ensure that the teams of each (AFL) club were playing the line and wanting to win,” Kelly said. “Both clubs have honoured this principle and demonstrated through their players a commitment to the contest and respect for the competition. “Ultimately, the SANFL has agreed with Port Adelaide that it is appropriate that the marquee player be able to be selected before an AFL-listed player on the occasion that 21 are available for SANFL selection.” Port Adelaide SANFL manager Shane Grimm welcomed the rule change.
He said it was a big factor in Summerton’s decision to knock back offers to join rival clubs or play amateur football. “This will help us pick based on form and have our leadership player play as well, rather than having to leave them out,” Grimm said. “Come finals, the leadership player was treated the same as the AFL players, so we thought it was only fair to be the same during the season.” Sturt football manager Chris Trapp said his club had no issue with the rule change. Comment is being sought from the Crows and other SANFL clubs

 

[crows dude]

So we have none this season then....very disappointing that the club's not using this to the fullest IMO.

I emailed the club earlier this year regarding our rules and Ports rules being different. Phil Harper responded. He said last year we were allowed two undrafted players. This year we are allowed four but have opted for just Lonergan. Port are under these rules as well. He also explained that their original rules allowed to have a top up over 28 as their leadership player that is paid above rate of other top ups. In 2014 Summerton was under 28 so could only be paid the $100 a game. Once he turned 28 they were able to pay him what they wanted. We dont have anyone since Callinan eligible for this.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Quick question that may have already been answered but where would our top ups come from and do they need to be on a 'supplementary list'

Good question but I'm pretty sure it would be a better arrangement than current

My guess would be 19 yo's that weren't drafted, that's why the sanfl should be treating the club better now as they should be scared

 

[GreyCrow]

Good question but I'm pretty sure it would be a better arrangement than current

My guess would be 19 yo's that weren't drafted, that's why the sanfl should be treating the club better now as they should be scared

Thanks. As GrommoT mentioned these are the things the AFL are going through now.

A follow on to your comment would be what happens to these 19 yr olds when not required. There are going to be a lot of uncomfortable moments where players feel lost as they get shuffled from system to system

 

[MRB37]

Just on that we are allowed to have 1 marquee player in our SANFL side, why haven't we gone down that road with an ex AFL player? Someone of Summerton's ilk would have been handy yesterday to support our youngsters.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/messe...e/news-story/c5038d153c89bac44b163330eb975125

I imagine we maybe thought CEY could do this role, but with so many injuries we've actually had to use him in the main side.

 

[GrommoT]

Thanks. As GrommoT mentioned these are the things the AFL are going through now.

Probably

A follow on to your comment would be what happens to these 19 yr olds when not required. There are going to be a lot of uncomfortable moments where players feel lost as they get shuffled from system to system

They could deal with this by having an increased club player list and allow bigger team lists for reserves games - say a total player list of 55 and reserves matchday lists can be up to 33 or so.
This way all the reserves players can have some game time and the club could cope with an injury list of up to even 10 players maybe.

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[GreyCrow]

Probably

They could deal with this by having an increased club player list and allow bigger team lists for reserves games - say a total player list of 55 and reserves matchday lists can be up to 33 or so.
This way all the reserves players can have some game time and the club could cope with an injury list of up to even 10 players maybe.

That was my thought

List of 45? for Senior teams. Rookie List of 5 . Supplementary list of Academy prospects of 5. Those who dont play ie mostly rookies and Academy types still get the benefit of training in the system. You could still farm them out if you really required them to have a game. But the averages suggest injuries will help in the rotation of players

 

[crows dude]

Just on that we are allowed to have 1 marquee player in our SANFL side, why haven't we gone down that road with an ex AFL player? Someone of Summerton's ilk would have been handy yesterday to support our youngsters.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/messe...e/news-story/c5038d153c89bac44b163330eb975125

I asked the club earlier this year. Phil Harper said they dont have anyone eligible.

His reponse below

1. Another response just now. This time from the SANFl. I sent lots of emails. They said both Port and Crows can have a leadership player ( although Harper said Crows dont have anyone eligible). Also that they can list a maxium of 4 interstate 19 year olds for a period of two years.
   
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   Another response from Harper after I replied to him saying thanks and how unfair it was.
   
   His response is below. Loved it and I wish we took a stand but we dont really care too much.
   
   Well Port have same rules now as well but they already had Summerton but they “beat the system” as they signed him as a 26 year old & paid him $400 a game (under the rules)& then when he turned 28 they were allowed to pay him whatever they wanted so they paid him a lot more in the third year to make it up & continue to .
   
   
   However we don’t get too caught up in what they are doing as yes it may be seen as unfair
   
   
   They have a leadership player & we don’t
   
   They have home games & we don’t
   
   They pay NIL to play in the comp & we pay $425000
   
   
   The key for us is to put a program together that develops our players to play good AFL Football when they are called up – That is our key focus .
   
   
   But yes there deal for a variety of reasons is probably better than ours .

 

[AmericanCrow]

I don't know who the hell we have in the SANFL, however, getting poleaxed by 95 leads me to believe it's a bunch of refugees from the USAFL

 

[hey shorty]

I don't know who the hell we have in the SANFL, however, getting poleaxed by 95 leads me to believe it's a bunch of refugees from the USAFL

Pretty much.

We had 10 top ups and 3 players with AFL experience, 2 of those with 3 games between them. Without going into too much detail the top ups we get are good quality country footballers, but the best ones won't play SANFL due to the massive money on offer in local leagues.