Game Day Round 10 vs. Fremantle, Sun 22/05, 5:20pm OS

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I'm confused at where the coaching group see this team. Are they selecting to win because they think we are still in the finals race, or to win as many games possible and finish 9th to 12th, or we not wanting to expose the younger guys to better opposition, in that we may get flogged?
I thought we were in a rebuilding phase, so l'm not getting the dropping off Henry and Poulter, and to a lesser extent Macrae. We continue to run with the same senior players, who just aren't performing at the moment, and who have really struggled over the past month.
I thought the point about not getting flogged, when I saw the changes. Maybe they are wanting to limit it a bit?

Saying that, Henry has probably been asked to work on his defensive side a bit as well, but hasn't been much sign of that in his game, in his recent appearances.

Not a fan of bringing Poulter in only to drop him next week. Macrae I can understand a bit more as he only got his spot in the squad due to a late change last week.

Poulter to be sub, for mine
 

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So are they serious about rebuilding or not?

Clubs confused about where they are at. Chasing finals, rebuilding, no man's land....
I agree that the kids need to be given an extended run but also a firm believer that you need to play to a certain standard at senior level to warrant selection. You’re not developing kids if you’re gifting them 2-3-4 weeks in a row when they don’t deserve it.

Again, I reckon the kids should be given an extended run as some of our senior players aren’t exactly smashing the lights out themselves.
 
I'm fine with Henry getting axed even though I rate him as our most talented youngster.
Few more confidence sapping displays like last week's can lead to long term issues, only makes sense he works on it at VFL level.

Poulter and Macrae clearly need more exposure to senior level to improve but someone does need to make way for our ins.
Dropping WHE and Sidey would signal we aren't interested in getting 4 points at all.
And Murphy for Madgen is a no brainer so not quite sure what all the moaning is about.
 
Geezus… drop Henry, Poulter and McRae…

I’d have 3 to 4 of the emergencies playing over Sidebottom, WHE, T Brown, Murphy

I can only hope that with something like 20 plus players out of contract that Fly and co are giving the older players a go… to determine which ones they are gonna boot at years end

But 🙏 wake up and realise soon that the future is NOT playing 6 players with 150+ games each week… so that we might finish 10th on the ladder this year instead of 13th

And before No SPIN chimes in with the North Melbourne reference… as I’ve told you before… NM got to where they are by persevering with the old blokes and ‘good blokes’ under Brad Scott for too long

We’re on a similar spiral if we don’t prioritise youth whilst we still have quality mature age players and leaders out there
Off the top of my head Dumont, Tarrant, Brown, Higgins, Mason Wood - all playing at other clubs.
So I think my point stands, they’d all be playing in NM best 22 today.
 
Henry was utterly awful last week, he was never going to slot 3 or 4 because he mentally falls apart under any pressure.
Abit harsh there. Prior to last week, he’d gone at 8.5 in 5 games with a 7 goal VFL game in the middle.
 
People concerned with Henry’s misses. I look at how many shots on goal he had. How many other forwards got near it? It’s a bs decision to drop him. Anyways good luck to young Murphy. I hope our midfield doesn’t get its pants pulled down again
Everyone missing the real issue - you nailed the problem right there in the last sentence.
 
I like Henry and I'm pretty sure he'll end up very good, but he needs to do both kicking and marking competently in the same game to retain his spot. It's too often one or the other at this stage.

Great to see Elliott back, he's injured so often that sometimes you forget about him when he's out.
 
Henry isn’t a key forward either.
No-one is wrong. Even Mihocek isn’t a KPF yet is played as one out of necessity. He’s a 3rd tall in a side that has a FF and CHF. (And he’d bloody dominate)

I see the similarities in WHE and Henry though. Both are fairly similar (high flying, undersized) but WHE offers something Henry doesn’t which is sticky hands as a lead up option out on the wings when we need an exit kick down the line.

Henry is the better forward though - will be back in no time.
 
Off the top of my head Dumont, Tarrant, Brown, Higgins, Mason Wood - all playing at other clubs.
So I think my point stands, they’d all be playing in NM best 22 today.

Except

… They all left post B Scott departure

Which full circle brings me back to my point that they should’ve invested in youth and delisted the ‘good blokes’ but list cloggers sooner
 
I'm confused at where the coaching group see this team. Are they selecting to win because they think we are still in the finals race, or to win as many games possible and finish 9th to 12th, or we not wanting to expose the younger guys to better opposition, in that we may get flogged?
I thought we were in a rebuilding phase, so l'm not getting the dropping off Henry and Poulter, and to a lesser extent Macrae. We continue to run with the same senior players, who just aren't performing at the moment, and who have really struggled over the past month.

They are selecting to win but there are plenty of development players in the side, with Murphy and Ginni coming in this week. Poulter only came in due to illness and injury to the likes of Pendlebury and Ginnivan. Elliott is an automatic selection to return. Poulter had to make way.

Henry was very stiff to be dropped and I would have liked to see him retained But his yips were beyond belief. With Begg going out because he’s not ready and certainly not yet a viable forward, that means we have the height of Cameron ( or Cox) return to key forward, so I can see why henry was squeezed out. Personally I’d have dropped mccreery but that too would have created an outcry.

Macrae… non issue, he was called on to the sub bench at the last minute and goes straight out again.
 
I thought the point about not getting flogged, when I saw the changes. Maybe they are wanting to limit it a bit?

Saying that, Henry has probably been asked to work on his defensive side a bit as well, but hasn't been much sign of that in his game, in his recent appearances.

Not a fan of bringing Poulter in only to drop him next week. Macrae I can understand a bit more as he only got his spot in the squad due to a late change last week.

Poulter to be sub, for mine
I’m going off on an irrelevant tangent but hypothetical this is the case. What a reflection of the world we live in now where we fixate on an employee’s weaknesses instead of allowing the strength to flourish.

Let’s say Henry is a high-flying marking forward with X factor. Why don’t we just allow that to happen since he ain’t a defensive forward.

Similarly in a workplace, expectation is someone’s strength is maintained whilst we try and eliminate/develop a weakness - you confuse the situation when you take the focus/attention away from the strength to the point it is no longer a strength and the weakness becomes less of an issue.

Rant over.
 

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Getting worried these blokes in charge have no idea like Buckley and co why do we persist with these scrubs that have no future at the club like Murphy?

ridiculous
Spot on , why the F$c& drop Henry. He kicks straight last week. 5 goals to his name , was our only focal point who could stick marks alongside Checkers. Nup , let’s drop the kid who shows any semblance as a marking forward. Clueless
 
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I’m going off on an irrelevant tangent but hypothetical this is the case. What a reflection of the world we live in now where we fixate on an employee’s weaknesses instead of allowing the strength to flourish.

Let’s say Henry is a high-flying marking forward with X factor. Why don’t we just allow that to happen since he ain’t a defensive forward.

Similarly in a workplace, expectation is someone’s strength is maintained whilst we try and eliminate/develop a weakness - you confuse the situation when you take the focus/attention away from the strength to the point it is no longer a strength and the weakness becomes less of an issue.

Rant over.
Rant justified I think! I'm just trying to put myself in the selectors shoes. Wet weather forecast too? Maybe that's why they went Beau's way over Ollie?
 
Rant justified I think! I'm just trying to put myself in the selectors shoes. Wet weather forecast too? Maybe that's why they went Beau's way over Ollie?
Nah, you’re not wrong and it’s probably what has happened. It just triggered me the way big organisations/clubs work nowadays lol
 
We are not playing finals this year. Full stop.
We've got a bunch of kids who show real promise. We need to get games into them to help them come off a good base next year.
By playing these kids each week we will finish bottom 4.
That, my friends, is not tanking. It is good management.
 
Great IN’s.

Really happy McCreery kept his spot. He and Ginni make a great double act, terrorising opposition defences. I predict McCreery will kick at least two goals. With Elliott back as well, plus DeGoey and the Daicos boys, suddenly we look very potent.

I reckon that’s one of our strongest line-ups to date and I won’t be surprised to see us steal a win on the road.

Go Pies!


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Except

… They all left post B Scott departure

Which full circle brings me back to my point that they should’ve invested in youth and delisted the ‘good blokes’ but list cloggers sooner

None of the guys I listed are list cloggers, and leaving post Scott reinforces NM go from one mistake to another.

NM is the wrong model - a good club recognizes “ youth at all costs” is a dumb strategy.
So they should have kept all those guys, to assist developing youth.

We don’t need to play kids before they’re ready, or dump senior players still capable contributing- that’s the lesson here.
 
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Just IMO…

I’m not the one who made the comparison originally but WHE and Henry are absolutely competing for the same spot and it’s quite laughable that you’re trying to suggest otherwise.
I meant to quote your post re: Henry’s “duck ups”

Exactly the reason I would have played him
People concerned with Henry’s misses. I look at how many shots on goal he had. How many other forwards got near it? It’s a bs decision to drop him. Anyways good luck to young Murphy. I hope our midfield doesn’t get its pants pulled down again

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I'm confused at where the coaching group see this team. Are they selecting to win because they think we are still in the finals race, or to win as many games possible and finish 9th to 12th, or we not wanting to expose the younger guys to better opposition, in that we may get flogged?
I thought we were in a rebuilding phase, so l'm not getting the dropping off Henry and Poulter, and to a lesser extent Macrae. We continue to run with the same senior players, who just aren't performing at the moment, and who have really struggled over the past month.
+1
 
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