Opinion Non-Crows AFL 5: Save Ken

[GreyCrow]

I want to know how Melbourne are going to afford to keep their plethora of good players.

Keep 3-7 on good good money and hope they drag the rest of the team along

Yes some others will rise and leave but it's workable - especially if the contracts are staggered enough

 

[MatthewB]

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2020 will haunt Kenny forever. A flag in 2020, would have sealed him in getting an extension till at least the late 2020s.

They had the Tigers on the ropes too at Adelaide Oval before half time. They should have an alternate universe gone on to beat them and then play the Cats at a neutral venue which they had only beaten them a few weeks earlier.

But Duursma getting into Lynch's face when he missed a set shot and then dropping the premiership cup 30m from goal are the defining moments of that game, Port last flag chance in the 2020s and Kenny's contract extension.

 

[LoBu]

Hilarious that Hardwick thinks he is being held to a higher standard than the rest of Australia because he's a coach.

He is like a child really.

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[CrowsB4hoes]

That’s your take? Poor form

it's a fair comment when after 2 of his players got head knocks but played on, their coach says: "They're tough players, too ... that's a hit, for those who don't think the game's tough."

Hinkley obviously sees his players as tougher now than in Jay Schulz's days.

 

[LoBu]

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2020 will haunt Kenny forever. A flag in 2020, would have sealed him in getting an extension till at least the late 2020s.

They had the Tigers on the ropes too at Adelaide Oval before half time. They should have an alternate universe gone on to beat them and then play the Cats at a neutral venue which they had only beaten them a few weeks earlier.

Just like they beat Geelong in Kadina Park round 21 2007 before playing them in the GF?

There is no alternative universe where Port beat Geelong in a GF

 

[GameofSloanes]

Unfortunately we don't yet have a need to train for close games.

All our extra training should be spent on kicking the ball to a team mate... except ROB who should remind himself about how to take a mark.

We've actually lost several close ones this year. And beat Port.
If we had Collinwood levels of clutch and beat Freo, Pies, Essendon and St Kilda we'd be 1 game out of the 8. I'm ok with it for now though as we need the better draft picks. Hopefully the players are learning something from it.

 

[GameofSloanes]

Yeah wow, can’t remember him getting that many, maybe he was seen by the same doctor as Ebert and sent back on.
Was a couple of years above me when he moved to our school for yr 12.
Has aged heaps!

Would be interesting to check how many times he was sent back on by Ports doc. I mean they have a history of doing it. Same with Ebert.

 

[LoBu]

We've actually lost several close ones this year. And beat Port.
If we had Collinwood levels of clutch and beat Freo, Pies, Essendon and St Kilda we'd be 1 game out of the 8. I'm ok with it for now though as we need the better draft picks. Hopefully the players are learning something from it.

Lepptich on the radio yesterday said he tried to tell Fly not to train for close ones (or at least thought it was wrong), they weren't at that level, now is glad they did.

 

[GameofSloanes]

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Duursma has turned into nothing since then too. I wonder if his confidence is completely shot.

 

[George Kramer]

it's a fair comment when after 2 of his players got head knocks but played on, their coach says: "They're tough players, too ... that's a hit, for those who don't think the game's tough."

Hinkley obviously sees his players as tougher now than in Jay Schulz's days.

It’s a post highlighting the bad way Schulz is in. It didn’t need to be turned into a Port bashing thing.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

it's a fair comment when after 2 of his players got head knocks but played on, their coach says: "They're tough players, too ... that's a hit, for those who don't think the game's tough."

Hinkley obviously sees his players as tougher now than in Jay Schulz's days.

I took it as, If you're tough you can cope with knocks like that and play on. Like tough players in the past did - an example that the game is still tough. The comment was terrible to begin with and will get even worse with time. Confusing what's tough/brave/courageous with what's dangerous

 

[Sanders]

it's a fair comment when after 2 of his players got head knocks but played on, their coach says: "They're tough players, too ... that's a hit, for those who don't think the game's tough."

Hinkley obviously sees his players as tougher now than in Jay Schulz's days.

It’s a terrible comment, and there is a reason why the doctors have a role in deciding this not coaches

 

[Slippery Pete]

I took it as, If you're tough you can cope with knocks like that and play on. Like tough players in the past did - an example that the game is still tough. The comment was terrible to begin with and will get even worse with time. Confusing what's tough/brave/courageous with what's dangerous

I think I’ll need to see a DVD to understand the difference please

 

[AFC979810]

We've actually lost several close ones this year. And beat Port.
If we had Collinwood levels of clutch and beat Freo, Pies, Essendon and St Kilda we'd be 1 game out of the 8. I'm ok with it for now though as we need the better draft picks. Hopefully the players are learning something from it.

Always two ways to look at it.

If we had lost the two games we were very lucky to win (Port/Bulldogs) and lost the clutch game against Richmond (similar to the St Kilda win) we would be the same as WCE and Nth.

 

[NSolis]

Always two ways to look at it.

If we had lost the two games we were very lucky to win (Port/Bulldogs) and lost the clutch game against Richmond (similar to the St Kilda win) we would be the same as WCE and Nth.

Percentage is a decent guide here - 83.0 this year compared to 82.0 last year. So about the same, team hasn't really moved much at all which aligns with our age profile being basically the same, still heavily reliant on a couple of mature midfielders and one dominant key forward surrounded by lots of sub-50 game kids. We have rejuvenated the list some more since last year though with a couple of big injuries plus Brown and Crouch moving out, so matching last year's results is probably a par result.

Also just looking at the total number of games we've been competitive in and either won, lost by very narrow margins, or lost while being in it or ahead for the first 2/3 quarters, I get around 13 for 2021 and around 11 for this year with four games to go. So very similar seasons. This is a slightly generous assessment of 'competitive' which includes the Brisbane and Melbourne games because we even until half time, and also the Richmond game last year which was the same.

 

[AFC979810]

Percentage is a decent guide here - 83.0 this year compared to 82.0 last year. So about the same, team hasn't really moved much at all which aligns with our age profile being basically the same, still heavily reliant on a couple of mature midfielders and one dominant key forward surrounded by lots of sub-50 game kids. We have rejuvenated the list some more since last year though with a couple of big injuries plus Brown and Crouch moving out, so matching last year's results is probably a par result.

Also just looking at the total number of games we've been competitive in and either won, lost by very narrow margins, or lost while being in it or ahead for the first 2/3 quarters, I get around 13 for 2021 and around 11 for this year with four games to go. So very similar seasons. This is a slightly generous assessment of 'competitive' which includes the Brisbane and Melbourne games because we even until half time, and also the Richmond game last year which was the same.

I don't buy into percentage.

Are we a better side because Sydney put the cue in the rack after qtr time rather than playing for percentage?

 

[Slippery Pete]

I don't buy into percentage.

 

[NSolis]

I don't buy into percentage.

Are we a better side because Sydney put the cue in the rack after qtr time rather than playing for percentage?

Begging the question there. I don't think we stayed competitive in that game because Sydney 'put the cue in the rack'. I can buy that in situations where a team is 10 goals up halfway through the last quarter and suddenly concedes 3 quick goals and only ends up winning by 7. Adelaide got within a couple of goals on the weekend, and won periods of the game even if we were outplayed overall. It was a competitive game after quarter time.

Anyway, it evens out over the course of a season and percentage is a pretty good indicator of how well a team is going.

 

[SugarShane]

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I could seriously watch that all afternoon and not get sick of it. Could not have happened to a nicer bloke either. Just an all time great feel good moment in footy that everyone can enjoy.

 

[AFC979810]

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Percentage is a nothing stat.

Its a tiebreaker stat.

 

[baldandbroke]

Percentage is a nothing stat.

Its a tiebreaker stat.

Right ... so points for is a nothing stat, and points against is a nothing stat?

 

[AFC979810]

Right ... so points for is a nothing stat, and points against is a nothing stat?

Wins and Losses are an important stat.

Points for and against can be a guide as to how you are tracking.

Who was the last premiership team that had the best percentage in the AFL?

 

[Slippery Pete]

Wins and Losses are an important stat.

Points for and against can be a guide as to how you are tracking.

Who was the last premiership team that had the best percentage in the AFL?

Yeah but not many win it with a bad percentage!

I get what you’re saying, that only winning matters, not by how much — and that’s true, but you’re putting too much mayo on it.

Percentage is more often than not a reliable indicator of how good a team is.

 

[baldandbroke]

Wins and Losses are an important stat.

Not true. Wins and losses by themselves are not worth much at all.

How much you won / lost by and who you played changes the perspective of wins and losses too much for them to be important in isolation.

Points for and against can be a guide as to how you are tracking.

If only there was some way to combine these two numbers into a single stat to indicate how you were tracking ...

Who was the last premiership team that had the best percentage in the AFL?

Lol - when was the last premiership team with no-one named Tom in the team?

 

[Slippery Pete]

Not true. Wins and losses by themselves are not worth much at all.