Unofficial Preview Changes & Pre-match Discussion - Round 21 vs. Melbourne, Fri 05/08, 7:50pm MCG

[Good Horse]

It’s got a mind of its own. Once it gets a roll on I just can’t stop it.

Kiitos.

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youre not Chad Warner by some chance?

 

[Pistol Night]

youre not Chad Warner by some chance?

Pics or GTFO

 

[Gaspard]

To be fair, neither of those guys are even in the same stratosphere as Beau in regards to pressure.
I do agree that he needs to continue to improve his offensive game though. He needs to get cleaner below his knees.

This is the story. Because of his pace, and the solidity of his tackles, McCreery's opponents are looking over their shoulders as soon as they get they get the ball. He frightens them. That fear impacts heavily on their effectiveness. When he gets the ball in the open, he has a terrific long straight kick. We don't see much of it because he is not looking to get into the receiver's position. He is there for the opposition player who gets the ball, and that is the position he goes to. He is a bit fumbly in tight, and if he improves this, he will be just about perfect in his role.

 

[Prexm]

Chill bro, you seem a bit tense this morning. We all have opinions and i'm happy with mine

Not tense just replying to comments that don’t make any sense.

 

[iGNITER]

INS: Mihocek, Carmichael (into 22)
OUTS: Adams, Bianco (sub)

B - Quaynor Moore Murphy
HB - N.Daicos Howe Maynard
C - J.Daicos DeGoey Sidebottom
HF - Elliott Cameron McCreery
F - Ginnivan Mihocek Johnson
R - Cox Crisp Pendlebury
INT - Carmichael Lipinski Noble WHE

 

[magpies42]

Melbourne syd, Carlton all have something to play for? We dont? History shows top 4 teams end up in the GF. Worst case we still want 5th so as to avoid any away games against the interstate mobs first up

Melbourne and Sydney have the capacity to push harder, their players are in an age bracket that is conducive to that…and they are favourites…we are pretenders (look at our percentage). Carlton will be playing for 8th spot they will also be more motivated.

I’m incredibly proud of what we have achieved and I think we can push deep into finals, we aren’t going to achieve that if our players are injured or fatigued…double chance or not.

We lost two players mid game on Saturday, soft tissue injuries can be a sign of fatigue. Even Mihocek has had to have a spell.

Injury prone players:
Moore, Murphy, Adams, Howe, Degoey, Cox, Elliot.

Young and carrying a load:
Murphy, Quaynor, Daicos x 2, Mcreery, Noble and I’d consider giving Gini a spell also for a mental break.

Most of the other clubs we’ll be facing in finals will be close to full fitness, this is one of the secrets to premiership success (e.g. 2010)…we need to be at full strength. The only team to win it in recent times with injuries were the dogs.

 

[Pie eyed]

McCreery needs to go, how many times did he have space and didn't provide himself a forward option and gets beaten by his opponent.

Bianco out too, just got badly exposed on the outside.

HUH?
Did you watch last years replay?

 

[ipswichpies]

Happens, all over the globe in all sports.

It’s called good management and human psychology. Now that finals are sorted, players will play within themselves so they are right for finals. This is why Swan didn’t win the Brownlow twice, we let the foot off the peddle and lost to an unfancied team in the final round.

So in a way you could be better off playing hungry players eager to prove themselves, as opposed to established players who know there is more at stake.

Melbourne, Sydney and Carlton will all have something to play for. They will be bruising contests and it would be horrifically bad if we lost Adams orHowe types in any of those games. Within 4 weeks of finals it’s tough to recover in time.

I would agree but I would really like top4 and as I see it we do not have wriggle room atm to rest players I think Geelong are the only ones who could rest players. I remember 2011 when we really paid for not resting players when we were certainly able too.

 

[neilk]

I would agree but I would really like top4 and as I see it we do not have wriggle room atm to rest players I think Geelong are the only ones who could rest players. I remember 2011 when we really paid for not resting players when we were certainly able too.

I think the whole team rested in the final round of 2011.

 

[Pistol Night]

I think the whole team rested in the final round of 2011.

Cue in the rack because nothing to gain. 90 odd point flogging probably had a mental impact. I remember watching that game and after the 15 minute mark we totally threw the towel in and went self preservation. Geelong used it asa tune up. Who knows, if Pendles disallowed goal in round 7 been correctly paid we would of been 21-0 and probably had a crack at a perfect season

 

[Mikevk123]

In- McMahon, Macrae
Out- Howe, Adams

B Quaynor Moore Murphy
HB Maynard McMahon Noble
C J.Daicos De Goey Lipinksi
HF Sidebottom Johnson WHE
F Elliot Miochek Ginnivan
FOLL- Cameron Crisp N.Daicos
I/C- Pendlebury, Cox, Carmichael, Macrae
Sub- Bianco

 

[Matt_352]

In- McMahon, Macrae
Out- Howe, Adams

B Quaynor Moore Murphy
HB Maynard McMahon Noble
C J.Daicos De Goey Lipinksi
HF Sidebottom Johnson WHE
F Elliot Miochek Ginnivan
FOLL- Cameron Crisp N.Daicos
I/C- Pendlebury, Cox, Carmichael, Macrae
Sub- Bianco

Howe is fine apparently

 

[domus]

Out: Howe, Adams and Cox
In: Checkers, Macrae and Grundy

Who is more likely to nullify Gawn at the centre bounces, Cox or Grundy?:Who is more of a forward threat, Cox or Grundy?:Who is more likely to take strong contested marks deep in defense, Cox or Grundy?

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

But it does matter. Cox and Cameron have taken a number of contested grabs in our winning streak and it is something Brodie doesn't do well.

Maybe Grundy should have played soccer where only the goalie needs catching skills. I imagine he could have been a veritable Twinkletoes dancing around opponents on the pitch, even more so if he actually had possession of the ball.

 

[KinderSmock]

Who is more likely to nullify Gawn at the centre bounces, Cox or Grundy?:Who is more of a forward threat, Cox or Grundy?:Who is more likely to take strong contested marks deep in defense, Cox or Grundy?

Cox. Cox. Cox. And this is why Fly kept him. There'd be some on here who think Cox is so hopeless but he has improved instrumentally because he can now see the ball. Commentators have now shut up about his sunglasses because it's quite clear he HAS to wear them.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Anyone calling for McReery to be dropped is just…wowza

Like…oof

Just…wow

Imagine watching the game at such a superficial level that you measure McReery’s input and importance on his disposals lol

Although there has to be a benchmark beneath which stats come into consideration. I mean, a forward can be the best runner and tackler the game has ever seen, but if at the end of the game his stats show 0 goals, 0 kicks and 0 handballs, his value to the team could surely be subject to some level of scrutiny.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Ummm…..he never will. I’ve never heard of players gaining pace. You either have it or you don’t. Sidey was quick enough when he was younger. He has slowed of recent times. But still has the shake and bake moves.


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There are drugs that might help but would also severely effect the longevity of his career, if he was unable to avoid the regular urine tests.

 

[Pistol Night]

There are drugs that might help but would also severely effect the longevity of his career, if he was unable to avoid the regular urine tests.

 

[well left]

Who is more likely to nullify Gawn at the centre bounces, Cox or Grundy?:Who is more of a forward threat, Cox or Grundy?:Who is more likely to take strong contested marks deep in defense, Cox or Grundy?

Cox took 3 marks yesterday, one of which was a mark on the goal line he probably should have shepherded through but got him his only goal. It’s not like he’s Stewart Loewe out there. He gets moved off the ball too easily and I think what he does do tends to get overstated because it does look impressive when he does something.

When Grundy is ready, he may need one more week, he’ll come in. Everyone should understand that.


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[Pistol Night]

Cox took 3 marks yesterday, one of which was a mark on the goal line he probably should have shepherded through but got him his only goal. It’s not like he’s Stewart Loewe out there. He gets moved off the ball too easily and I think what he does do tends to get overstated because it does look impressive when he does something.

When Grundy is ready, he may need one more week, he’ll come in. Everyone should understand that.


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The club does. That’s all that matters really

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Although there has to be a benchmark beneath which stats come into consideration. I mean, a forward can be the best runner and tackler the game has ever seen, but if at the end of the game his stats show 0 goals, 0 kicks and 0 handballs, his value to the team could surely be subject to some level of scrutiny.

If the example you were using was for a key forward I’d agree with you

In this case, it should be fairly obvious to anyone who observes Collingwood at a relatively close level that McReery’s playing a fairly specific role that doesn’t involve being a high possession goal kicking medium forward.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

If the example you were using was for a key forward I’d agree with you

In this case, it should be fairly obvious to anyone who observes Collingwood at a relatively close level that McReery’s playing a fairly specific role that doesn’t involve being a high possession goal kicking medium forward.

So you'd be OK with a player not ever actually touching the ball if his whole game was built around only tackling and running?

 

[KinderSmock]

Cox took 3 marks yesterday, one of which was a mark on the goal line he probably should have shepherded through but got him his only goal. It’s not like he’s Stewart Loewe out there. He gets moved off the ball too easily and I think what he does do tends to get overstated because it does look impressive when he does something.

When Grundy is ready, he may need one more week, he’ll come in. Everyone should understand that.


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Cox taking 3 marks is more than: Quaynor (0), Ginnivan, Daicos (1), Pendlebury, Noble, McCreery, Maynard, Howe, De Goey (2). And even if he only had two, that's still on-par with a significant portion of the team. I excluded Adams and Carmichael out of fairness for both. He only played 71% TOG as well which was among the lowest on-field. Cox wanted to ensure the goal went in. Grundy of course will come in but Cox's contribution is worth mentioning without selective choosing of statistics.

Grundy, alternatively, took 0 marks in the VFL. And you'd hope he'd take more than that.

 

[schmuttt]

Before the vitriol and banter gets heated, can I just say I’m so happy you guys can potentially deny Carlton finals in the last round.

 

[Pistol Night]

Before the vitriol and banter gets heated, can I just say I’m so happy you guys can potentially deny Carlton finals in the last round.

And also to you. We’re like Ukraine and it’s allies trying to deny Russia