List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Cuzz09]

It would be interesting if you could draft say 30 18 y.olds start a whole new side and no trade outs allowed how good they'd gel over 10-15 years together.

I reckon by 7-8 years they would all be synced perfectly (maybe)

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[bzparkes]

It would be interesting if you could draft say 30 18 y.olds start a whole new side and no trade outs allowed how good they'd gel over 10-15 years together.

I reckon by 7-8 years they would all be synced perfectly (maybe)

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Haven't watched much of Gold Coast, I take it?

 

[Guest1]

I am so sick of this being misrepresented as some lack of hunger or satisfaction that the job was done, put the feet up, the boys were happy with one.

He was talking about his mental state and the fact that his whole life had been built around achieving one specific goal, and that when he achieved it he was left with a sense of ‘what now’.

It doesn't reflect poorly on him, but the coaching staff as a whole.

 

[Chump Change]

Hurn? Redden? Cripps? Gaff?

Hurn - no
Redden - probably no

Cripps - yeas, he dropped off big for periods

Gaff - hard to tell if his attitude dropped or if it was "general shitness".

 

[Chump Change]

Why are we talking fitness & pre-season training in a contracts, trades and draft thread?

Stop cluttering the thread, makes it difficult to keep up with who we've traded and who's getting delisted.

So far we have traded in:

Bruhn
Dev Robbo
Georgeades
Baker
Warner
English
Jackson
Zurhaar
Fiorini (I know, right)
Warlord
Phillipou
Cadman
Busslinger
Sheezel
Ginby

So far we have traded out

Nelson
Witho
Watermelon

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

I thought I would go with three projected 23 line-ups assuming credits in the bank, mixed balanced youth and experience and play the kids. It's actually a pretty hard task with even the projected list of playing the kids. Got a feeling we will definitely see more of a blend next year. Pre-season and the trade and draft period will be very interesting. Nelson I assumed is out it's also debatable which of Winder, Clark, Trew, West and Witherden will get cut. Can't see Witherden getting a game until Hurn is retired even then not sure he adds that much. Foley, SPS, Hough and Bazzo can all play that role and Cole and Duggan are likely to be first picked.

 

[Hook461123]

Whats Gov worth in a trade? Top 10 pick or to old and injured?
If Dogs trade out Dunkley for a 1st round pick they might be willing to trade their pick 9 for a KPD and you can't get one much better then Gov.
Say Gov and pick 26 for Dogs pick 9 and 37.
Draft the Poo at pick 2 then grab a Mckenzie/Clark/Hewitt/Syzbowski with pick 9 and a slider with 20 (Pieman can pick his flanker).
Then try to grab a ruck Barnett/Broadbent with pick 37
Gov gets to chase a flag with the Dogs. We double our chances with the mids.
Barass, Hedwards and Bazzo all play. Hurn can continue on for a break glass in emergency.
win/win/win

 

[Doashuey]

Whats Gov worth in a trade? Top 10 pick or to old and injured?
If Dogs trade out Dunkley for a 1st round pick they might be willing to trade their pick 9 for a KPD and you can't get one much better then Gov.
Say Gov and pick 26 for Dogs pick 9 and 37.
Draft the Poo at pick 2 then grab a Mckenzie/Clark/Hewitt/Syzbowski with pick 9 and a slider with 20 (Pieman can pick his flanker).
Then try to grab a ruck Barnett/Broadbent with pick 37
Gov gets to chase a flag with the Dogs. We double our chances with the mids.
Barass, Hedwards and Bazzo all play. Hurn can continue on for a break glass in emergency.
win/win/win

Id hate to see Gov go, but if a good trade presented itself and Gov was hapy to go and chase a flag then it may be a good time to extract maximum value. As you said, he is getting a bit of age now and has missed quite a bit to injury (although the contact rib injury is pure bad luck rather than old man pings). Could work well for everyone.
That said I would be playing hard ball- straight swap for pick 9, wouldnt entertain the down grade of Ports 2nd. Happy to keep him unless we get an absolute premium.

 

[Cuzz09]

Haven't watched much of Gold Coast, I take it?

Yeah but they've had guys come in and leave.

I mean zero changes every week

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[Chump Change]

Whats Gov worth in a trade? Top 10 pick or to old and injured?

10-20 for a team who thinks they might be able to win a flag in the next 2 years.

 

[Obeanie1]

I think you need to re-read the post you quoted

I blame covid brain fog

 

[Cuzz09]

Gov and our Port 2nd rounder to Hawks for pick 6 or whatever

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[Nuke Fremantle]

Being able to train is a good start to body management. I hope you are not implying Nic isn't 100% committed

If you believe Duffield Nicnat has bone on bone in one of his knees. That might explain the gut but if he can't train properly why does Simpson want him to go around next year?

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Availability has been so bad this year it’s hard to argue that many deserving players have missed opportunities.

Agree, but there’s little things we can glean from this season.

When Culley played, sure he was picked, but he could have been picked and hidden on a wing or HFF. No, Redden moved out of the middle and went from 20 CBAs per game to 0, playing wing for the first time ever. Culley led us is CBAs.

All pre-season we were told about Chesser, and he very much seemed to be in the midfield plan in the limited footy we got from him. This was all before Sheed/Yeo went down in the Freo game.

It’s tiny sample sizes so I get the scepticism, but the willingness to move Gaff to the HFF, Redden to the wing, Hough full time wing not even hidden away HBF or anything…I think there’s enough to show that they’ll do the right thing.

 

[ziad]

It doesn't reflect poorly on him, but the coaching staff as a whole.

I didnt make it to AFL level and I am sure it was all my coaches fault.

 

[ziad]

If you believe Duffield Nicnat has bone on bone in one of his knees. That might explain the gut but if he can't train properly why does Simpson want him to go around next year?

Well I dont believe Duffield. As a side comment. Word of mouth from my knee specialist who deals with elite footballers (NRL generally). Most end up with bone on bone - they just get injections.

 

[Nuke Fremantle]

However, it also means individual players are going to have take responsibility for their own fitness so that they come back to the club in good shape for what I hope, and expect, to be a vigorous preseason

We’ll see who is or isn’t committed to turn things around

I think the last 3 years have told us what to expect.

 

[Shueygod]

Actually, you seem to be the one making things up in this instance.

Culley's 'significant opportunities' in the middle were 1 game (78% CBA), the other 2 games (noting a 3qtr time injury in his 3rd game) he was at 45% (1st game) and 32% (final game) CBA's.

O'neill has a season high of 65% attendance (once), 3 in the mid 50's, 2 in the mid 40's then 4 games below 40% attendance. Of his 6 highest CBA games this year, 2 were games where both Shuey and Kelly didn't play (no other choices to play at the CBA's) and 2 were at the expense of Redden (games where Redden attended 0 CBA's).

Clark has had 1 game over 35% CBA attendance (no Shuey that day). West's highest 2 CBA games were again when Shuey didn't play.

I'm not arguing that any of Xon, Clark or West are better players than Shuey or Redden (or Kelly, but he's nowhere near retirement so I wouldn't expect him to be part of this conversation) - just that Shuey and Redden are clearly starving those players of opportunity, granted due to their performance history but the reality is they are not going to be playing if/when we rise up the ladder.

You’ve contradicted yourself in your own post by admitting Redden had 0 CBA’s in favour of O’Neil.

There’s a strong majority of young players have an apprenticeship on a flank and slowly transition to the middle, it takes years and years to get the conditioning to play heavy midfield minutes.

I consider the above percentages significant opportunity and O’Neil and Culley have impressed.

West had a large amount of time in the middle before the bye and proved he wasn’t AFL standard, why waste any more time?

Clark I agree has missed out but realistically he’s always been more of a wingman and hes obviously just not up to playing inside mid at AFL level or the coaches would have tried him there.

Add in that Trew when he played had very good mid time and Rioli has run through there I feel like we’ve exposed and given plenty of opportunity to every ready mid on our list bar Clark.

 

[Shueygod]

It would be interesting if you could draft say 30 18 y.olds start a whole new side and no trade outs allowed how good they'd gel over 10-15 years together.

I reckon by 7-8 years they would all be synced perfectly (maybe)

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That’s how to **** a club.

 

[shooshka]

You’ve contradicted yourself in your own post by admitting Redden had 0 CBA’s in favour of O’Neil.

There’s a strong majority of young players have an apprenticeship on a flank and slowly transition to the middle, it takes years and years to get the conditioning to play heavy midfield minutes.

I consider the above percentages significant opportunity and O’Neil and Culley have impressed.

West had a large amount of time in the middle before the bye and proved he wasn’t AFL standard, why waste any more time?

Clark I agree has missed out but realistically he’s always been more of a wingman and hes obviously just not up to playing inside mid at AFL level or the coaches would have tried him there.

Add in that Trew when he played had very good mid time and Rioli has run through there I feel like we’ve exposed and given plenty of opportunity to every ready mid on our list bar Clark.

I've got no issue with those percentages in 2022. Although moving a senior player for 2 games is not really opening up significant opportunity.

But is it of value again in 2023 (all of those mids, probably minus Trew, fighting for the limited mid time and we are almost certain to add a high-end draft pick who is a mid who will need some time there also).

Because what I posted is what it looks like when we have Redden, Shuey and Kelly in the same side. Redden plays on a wing (why? surely we want to develop a wingman, and you can bet Gaff is on the other wing already), or the development players get 40% or so mid time.

Come 2024 we have Shuey and Redden (and Nic) gone, and our mids get belted as they are still in the formative 'years to get the conditioning to play heavy midfield minutes'.

 

[Rowan18]

Well I dont believe Duffield. As a side comment. Word of mouth from my knee specialist who deals with elite footballers (NRL generally). Most end up with bone on bone - they just get injections.

JK and Pridda had bone on bone. They just managed it until they couldn't anymore.

Odds are that Nic Nat just needs a clean-out on the one giving him trouble.

 

[Shueygod]

I've got no issue with those percentages in 2022. Although moving a senior player for 2 games is not really opening up significant opportunity.

But is it of value again in 2023 (all of those mids, probably minus Trew, fighting for the limited mid time and we are almost certain to add a high-end draft pick who is a mid who will need some time there also).

Because what I posted is what it looks like when we have Redden, Shuey and Kelly in the same side. Redden plays on a wing (why? surely we want to develop a wingman, and you can bet Gaff is on the other wing already), or the development players get 40% or so mid time.

Come 2024 we have Shuey and Redden (and Nic) gone, and our mids get belted as they are still in the formative 'years to get the conditioning to play heavy midfield minutes'.

Yep agree 2023 there needs to be a shift.

I have Redden not in the best 22 and Shuey off a HFF only getting 30-40% mid time.

Should allow Culley and O’Neil to both get at least 70% along with Kelly and pick 2 to get a large amount as well.

Also have Gaff put the side with Chesser and Hough being the main wings.

Where we may differ is our opinion on Clark and West, I simply can’t see either ever being best 22 for a top 8 team.

 

[Doashuey]

Yep agree 2023 there needs to be a shift.

I have Redden not in the best 22 and Shuey off a HFF only getting 30-40% mid time.

Should allow Culley and O’Neil to both get at least 70% along with Kelly and pick 2 to get a large amount as well.

Also have Gaff put the side with Chesser and Hough being the main wings.

Where we may differ is our opinion on Clark and West, I simply can’t see either ever being best 22 for a top 8 team.

It will be partly due to his durability to play most games this year but I think Redden is very likely to finish top 3 in this years JWM. Comfortably B22 on current output. I'd like to see less reliance on him next year as other younger players come on but he is our best contested ball winner in a piss weak midfield so we are still going to need him in 2023 or things will get real ugly.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Redden is easily best 22.

I hope the yoof step it up big time so that he's not anymore.

 

[Chump Change]

I think the last 3 years have told us what to expect.

I think the "guarding space" game plan was a bit of a problem for the players. Now that it has changed and we've hit rock bottom, I expect most of the senior players to buy back in. But now those players are old and have lost a yard, so while they may be committed, we'll still lose a lot of games simply because we're not quite good enough.