List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

[Keys]

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The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Shueygod]

It will be partly due to his durability to play most games this year but I think Redden is very likely to finish top 3 in this years JWM. Comfortably B22 on current output. I'd like to see less reliance on him next year as other younger players come on but he is our best contested ball winner in a piss weak midfield so we are still going to need him in 2023 or things will get real ugly.

I’m hoping Culley and O’Neil will be able to take a step forward in the preseason. Both have the potential to win the hard ball and I don’t think Redden is very valuable outside of the middle as he’s a bit slow and a tidy but not damaging kick.

 

[JackOutback]

If you believe Duffield Nicnat has bone on bone in one of his knees. That might explain the gut but if he can't train properly why does Simpson want him to go around next year?

Because half a NicNat is worth two Bailey Williams (and most other rucks as well).

 

[Keys]

For anyone interested

 

[Goroyals22]

Now this is the sort of news that is pure speculation but would gladden Honeybadgers heart

 

[ziad]

JK and Pridda had bone on bone. They just managed it until they couldn't anymore.

Odds are that Nic Nat just needs a clean-out on the one giving him trouble.

beware the clean out - it has its risks. I have tried the injection (not healthily sustainable) but brilliant for 12 hours. Like new. I think training becomes an issue - J Brown used cycling as I do. All good.

 

[Monocle]

Now this is the sort of news that is pure speculation but would gladden Honeybadgers heart

That’s an absolute no brainer.

However it won’t get to that, a deal will be done between Adelaide and Gold Coast.

But if Rankine was available with a pick in the PSD …. you call his name out in a heart beat.

Our recruiters would get tarred and feathered if he was available and they didn’t pick him up.
Worst case scenario, his is pissed at us and won’t play….. so at the end of next year we trade him for a first round pick…alternately…. He plays for us reluctantly…. enjoys playing at a real club , in front of 50K crowds and becomes a 200 game player.

Let’s not fool ourselves, we desperately need an infusion of young talent, and if the opportunity arose as suggested …. You pounce.

 

[FKASC]

I hope the yoof step it up big time so that he's not anymore.

I’m sure they’ll get plenty of growth opportunities within the fertile Beagles development environment

Most end up with bone on bone

Especially the dockers

 

[WCErevival]

For anyone interested

Sheed vibes

 

[Happy Mastenator]

That’s an absolute no brainer.

However it won’t get to that, a deal will be done between Adelaide and Gold Coast.

But if Rankine was available with a pick in the PSD …. you call his name out in a heart beat.

Our recruiters would get tarred and feathered if he was available and they didn’t pick him up.
Worst case scenario, his is pissed at us and won’t play….. so at the end of next year we trade him for a first round pick…alternately…. He plays for us reluctantly…. enjoys playing at a real club , in front of 50K crowds and becomes a 200 game player.

Let’s not fool ourselves, we desperately need an infusion of young talent, and if the opportunity arose as suggested …. You pounce.

Agreed. Rankine is an insane talent. Would not be surprised if he’s in AA conversation next year wherever he ends up

 

[Keys]

That’s an absolute no brainer.

However it won’t get to that, a deal will be done between Adelaide and Gold Coast.

But if Rankine was available with a pick in the PSD …. you call his name out in a heart beat.

Yep

Worst case scenario is you trade him to Adelaide in a years time.

 

[ThePuma #9]

After a good long look at our list this is how i see it.


OUT

MAIN LIST: J.K, Sheppard, Langdon, Nelson (FA), Witherden
ROOKIE: Dixon, Joyce, Strnadica, Naish, Trew, Jones

IN

MAIN LIST: Jones, Pick 2, Pick 20, Pick 26, Pick 38
ROOKIE: Culley, Winder



I would look to trade pick 38 to the Lions for Deven Robertson

2

Deven Robertson

Age

23

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

3.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.0

1star

. If this is not enough they can have the compo for Nelson as well when we let him walk to FA. If we cannot get Roberston then i would look to take our 3rd and the late 3rd or early 4th round compo we probably get for Nelson and package them to the Lions for a second rounder which they'd probably do if it's a points upgrade of a 100 to 200 points. Say pick 32 for picks 38 and 50 which is about 150 points the difference.

I would look to pay out Langdons contract which can't be that much and delist him. Doesn't offer really any point of difference to other players on our list and i would retain West and Winder for one more year on the rookie list with it being make or break for them next year. Upgrade Jones to the main list and move Winder to the rookie list.

This would leave us one open spot on our rookie list which i would keep open for the mid season draft or a potential slider from the draft.

It would have been ideal if one of Redden, Hurn or Shuey retired but if they don't we can still manage to bring in 5 new young players to our list next year.


I don't think Nelson or Witherden survive after next year anyway so Bunga isn't really taking either one of their spots.

Redden and Shuey continuing ahead of Langdon, Trew, Naish is no big loss but as others have mentioned it comes down to managing their playing time against LEdwards, Culley, O'Neil, Winder, Chesser, Hough, pick 2....etc

If they are prepared to be rotating players and not necessarily assured a spot every week then i'm happy for them to continue for their leadership and experience.

This would be a rough look at our line-up

Starting 22

B: Hurn Barrass Cole
HB: Jones McGovern Yeo
C: Gaff Robertson Chesser
HF: Shuey Darling Cripps
FF: Ryan Allen Rioli
R: Naitanui Kelly Sheed
I: (two of Culley, Redden, West, Winder, LEdwards, Clark, pick 2, pick 20)
(one of Duggan, Foley, Rotham, Bazzo, Hedwards, pick 20)
(one of Petruccelle, Waterman, J.Williams, Winder, pick 20)
(one of Jamieson, B. Williams, pick 20, Rotham, pick 20)

That's enough depth across all the lines for next year and i will point out i'd be more than happy to see Bazzo, Culley, Pick 2, LEdwards push for a permanent spot at the expense of Hurn, Cole, Jones, Gaff, Shuey, Sheed, Cripps etc. No more credits in the bank and if it's a 50/50 call we go with youth.

We will have given BWilliams, Rotham, Jamieson, Winder, Foley, ONeill, HEdwards, LEdwards, JWilliams, West, Clark, Petruccelle, Waterman another year to elevate their games and show growth. We will also have Hurn, Redden, Shuey retire at the end of the year and maybe even Nic if his body cannot cope.

Go to the 2023 draft with 5 picks minimum and overturn our rookie list by 2-3 spots as well.

Considering how weak this draft is i think this as a two year plan is acceptable.



EDIT: No compo for Nelson, here, no compo.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Gaff shouldn't be Best 22 next year.

He's not the right fit for the gameplan, and simply isn't very good anymore.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Now this is the sort of news that is pure speculation but would gladden Honeybadgers heart

Overrated hype machine but in the PSD I’d drive to Queensland and pick him up myself.

There is a 0% chance of it happening, they’ll get a deal done no sweat. Even the thought of Rankine getting to the PSD is a joke.

 

[MrWoollie]

Gaff shouldn't be Best 22 next year.

He's not the right fit for the gameplan, and simply isn't very good anymore.

I absolutely agree with you. But...

We're paying him way too much (900k?) to play for the Beagles.
He's got credits etc. and not playing a fit Gaff would be an admission that we should never have signed him on so much for so long.
And in the world of WCE, that's unlikely to happen.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

I would look to trade pick 38 to the Lions for Deven Robertson. If this is not enough they can have the compo for Nelson as well when we let him walk to FA.

If this is not enough they can have the compo for Nelson

the compo for Nelson

the compo

for Nelson

Gee.

 

[Spoon_Man]

I don't think we're the type of club that would do that..

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I don't think we're the type of club that would do that..

What about North?

They quite happily snapped up Greenwood from Gold Coast last year.

 

[Ochre]

I don't think we're the type of club that would do that..

We ****ing better be

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Come up with a random rumour.
Seperate outlet reports on your rumour.

NOW TWO SOURCES HAVE SAID IT. NOW WEVE GOT A STORY.

 

[Moose1414]

Far out this is a hard thread to keep up with aye

On Kelly. I don't think the trade was a disaster and don't see it costing us long term. We overpaid, sure, but the disaster was that once we had him Shuey and Yeo took the next 3 seasons off football and a Simpson thought it was a top move to put Gaff in there to help Kelly out. Its a trade that could easily of paid off. I tend to think that the silver lining once it went south is we fell off the cliff fast, and will end up topping up the list with first rounders in 2022/2023 rather than the second rounders we spent on Kelly in 2019/2020.

On Waterman. Don't really get the comments on him not being AFL quality. Rarely played in position as a forward. Has proven himself on more occasions than I can be bothered to count to be a multiple goal per game player at AFL level and has finished many games among best on for the side. His best is good enough, and there's not a player in the side who hasn't looked bog average on their day over the past few years. Watrman is or shows attributes to consolidate into an elite set shot, a rare commodity in a forward in the the modern game. With Jkk retiring he may even now be our best set shot, given Darling while reliable isn't much chop at angles wider than 45 or from outside 50. With the Big Man retired this year and Oscar no guarantee to get himself on the park regularly, I'd love to see Waterman put on a bunch of kgs over the summer and fully commit to some kind of undersized full forward role. Like really hulk out Frazer Gehrig St Kilda years style and see what happens. In a forward line of world beaters maybe this version of Waterman isn't best 22, and slots in at Beagles as a genuine permanent full forward to straighten us up. I'd expect him to play more in the firsts than the seconds though given our injury profile.

On Shuey. Was never going to retire this year despite holding the shortest of straws among the over 30's. Disappointed that Simmo went on record this week to say that they would look at all these things at the end of the season and then within 48 hours Shuey signs a 1 year deal. This really just makes Hurn the default retiree now, after having arguably the stronger case to play on. Personally I thought both should retire, but expected both to play on so doesn't really matter when they announced the inevitable. I suppose the only thing that is important here is that someone else takes on the captaincy, as I don't see Shuey being on the part much in 2023. If we weren't essentially tanking the backend of the season I doubt Shuey would of strung the bunch of consecutive games together that he did by playing these forgettable performances well within himself. If he has figured his body out though, he is still young enough [just] and has the talent for a serious end of career reinvention. Forget the middle and forget the half forward flank, or half back flank. I reckon send him to the back pocket and task him with taking kick ins and just generally being responsible for a system that gets the ball through the defensive 50 wall where we break down so easily.

On Hurn. Playing ok but I think its easy to look good down there when Rotham has been dumped from the back 6 and McGovern is injured. Not convinced he's doing a lot down there stopping opposition attack from scoring goals or being accountable for a man, just using his experience and smarts to sit in a hole and collect stats. Fine when you are 17th on the ladder and the game is being played in our defensive 50 but I think we can easily cover his retirement. Will tip him to play on though.

On Gov. Its now or never, time to play a supporting ruck role with Nic and forward. Barrass has emerged as the alpha male of that defence, and they have never really played that well together down back- just too similar.

On Gaff, pay him out and forcibly delist would be nice but since he'll be starting 22 for a few more years at the very least can we get him fit as a starting point, play him to his strengths when he's fit, and recognise that he carry's an injury worse that anyone in the comp in terms of the impact he has when playing hurt. Give him the games off when he's not cherry ripe.

On the draft. With the exception of Naitanui and Gardiner I think the club has a pretty poor record of using top 5 picks to take mids so not opposed to trade down or to look at taking a tall or a combination of both. Doesn't seem to be a year with at the kind of generational talent you'd hope for now that this list has finally found itself with the #2 pick. I think as a club we are a conservative organisation and with mids dominating the talent pool at any draft giving us first pick is going to bias the process toward us spending it on someone who is a bit meh, bland, safe or whatever. I want us to use our 1st pick on a mid, just hope they make an inspired type pick rather than a conservative type pick.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Come up with a random rumour.
Seperate outlet reports on your rumour.

NOW TWO SOURCES HAVE SAID IT. NOW WEVE GOT A STORY.

You know, maybe it was Milhouse.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Gaff shouldn't be Best 22 next year.

He's not the right fit for the gameplan, and simply isn't very good anymore.

Tell that to Sampson m8.

 

[ThePuma #9]

Gee.

Very dramatic/creative layering in your quoting of me Badger however what i assume you are saying is you don't think Nelson will net us an end of 3rd round or fourth round compo. I wager you think we will get zero compo.

 

[06Premiers]

Yep

Worst case scenario is you trade him to Adelaide in a years time.

Rankine for Bock, Gunston, CEY, 2nd rounder.

 

[ziad]

Come up with a random rumour.
Seperate outlet reports on your rumour.

NOW TWO SOURCES HAVE SAID IT. NOW WEVE GOT A STORY.

Now it on BF so it must be true