List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

[Keys]

Link to contract status of all players -

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[bzparkes]

So what's the excuse for the 2nd half of last year

Don't recall all the guys returning from injury post bye?

The selection decisions of picking underdone senior players is what led to the shocking performances. We did ok pre-bye because we weren't picking underdone players.

 

[ziad]

Don't recall all the guys returning from injury post bye?

The selection decisions of picking underdone senior players is what led to the shocking performances. We did ok pre-bye because we weren't picking underdone players.

Pre bye was great - easy to predict 100 point losses

 

[bzparkes]

Pre bye was great - easy to predict 100 point losses

Last year.

 

[Chump Change]

Being able to train is a good start to body management. I hope you are not implying Nic isn't 100% committed

Let's see how fit he is come round 1 next season.

 

[Shueygod]

I think the 'being played out of position' problem is what grates most people here.

Agree with the availability issue, but Shuey and Redden, when in the side have played exclusively as mids. Guys like Clark, West, O'Neill have been on flanks or sub or Beagles for lots of the year (not all, but lots).

Agree the judgement is best left to R1 2023, but we've seen a little bit this year of reverting to experience over development in the name of 'competitiveness'. At some point we are going to have to play lesser players regularly (i.e. 3-4 games straight) in their preferred position to see if they have it or not - as the brutal list decisions should never just be reserved for the older brigade.

You’re just making stuff up at this point, O’Neil and Culley have both had significant opportunities in the midfield while redden and Shuey have been in the side.

The fact West and Clark haven’t likely says more about their ability than the selection panel, they’re both WAFL players.

 

[Keys]

The 2022 Eagles player who Simpson never met

The Eagles have endured a strange season.

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The above was quoted in another thread but there’s a link in the article posted to the full radio interview. If/when you get a spare 15 minutes it’s well worth a listen

Given the discussion around players fitness there was one bit that pricked my ears up.

Simpson said that the players are due back after Christmas on January 9 which is in accordance with the CBA, but prior to that he only gets the players for 10 days before Christmas

Now that would be actual training days as a full group and wouldn’t include the 1-4 year players that are due to come back two weeks earlier. Even still, our last game is August 20 (some players will be hanging around to play out the final 2 WAFL games) and players aren’t required to return until early December

That’s a 3 month break

On the positive side that means there’s plenty of time for players with niggles/injuries to refresh and get their bodies right including any surgeries that may be needed

However, it also means individual players are going to have take responsibility for their own fitness so that they come back to the club in good shape for what I hope, and expect, to be a vigorous preseason

We’ll see who is or isn’t committed to turn things around

 

[mattyc75]

The above was quoted in another thread but there’s a link in the article posted to the full radio interview. If/when you get a spare 15 minutes it’s well worth a listen

Given the discussion around players fitness there was one bit that pricked my ears up.

Simpson said that the players are due back after Christmas on January 9 which is in accordance with the CBA, but prior to that he only gets the players for 10 days before Christmas

Now that would be actual training days as a full group and wouldn’t include the 1-4 year players that are due to come back two weeks earlier. Even still, our last game is August 20 (some players will be hanging around to play out the final 2 WAFL games) and players aren’t required to return until early December

That’s a 3 month break

On the positive side that means there’s plenty of time for players with niggles/injuries to refresh and get their bodies right including any surgeries that may be needed

However, it also means individual players are going to have take responsibility for their own fitness so that they come back to the club in good shape for what I hope, and expect, to be a vigorous preseason

We’ll see who is or isn’t committed to turn things around

You'd hope they all come back in great shape after this miserable year. No excuses next year

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[Chump Change]

We’ll see who is or isn’t committed to turn things around

I think most of the senior group have had patchy commitment since October 2018. Probably the only ones that haven't are Shuey and JK.

Surely come Jan 2023 there's a reset. No excuses, no credits, if you're not fit and committed, you're playing WAFL.

I'm not going to bothered about results, and I expect us to put up some poor showings. But if Simmo can't get a handle on this then I'll be calling for his head.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I think most of the senior group have had patchy commitment since October 2018. Probably the only ones that haven't are Shuey and JK.

Hurn? Redden? Cripps? Gaff?

 

[Keys]

I’m finding it somewhat curious that other than Tanya Armstrong reporting it on CH9/6PR, no other media outlets are running with Shuey signing a contract extension

Maybe she’s gone early

 

[Dark Sharks]

Hopefully

Wouldn't know what that feels like myself.

 

[ziad]

Let's see how fit he is come round 1 next season.

we shall

 

[amazingjoshy]

Don't recall all the guys returning from injury post bye?

The selection decisions of picking underdone senior players is what led to the shocking performances. We did ok pre-bye because we weren't picking underdone players.

We have a season and a half sample size. For 3 wins and a % of 60.

Perhaps the reason we have so many injuries to key players is because our key players are old?

You can't excuse 30+ games for 3 wins on just bad luck imo

 

[Rowan18]

I’m finding it somewhat curious that other than Tanya Armstrong reporting it on CH9/6PR, no other media outlets are running with Shuey signing a contract extension

Maybe she’s gone early

Doesn't Shuey's wife work in the media (Channel 9?). Maybe she got an inside tip.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Why are we talking fitness & pre-season training in a contracts, trades and draft thread?

Stop cluttering the thread, makes it difficult to keep up with who we've traded and who's getting delisted.

 

[bzparkes]

We have a season and a half sample size. For 3 wins and a % of 60.

Perhaps the reason we have so many injuries to key players is because our key players are old?

You can't excuse 30+ games for 3 wins on just bad luck imo

I'm not suggesting bad luck, however injuries + COVID are going to directly lead to reduced fitness in players. It's folly to argue otehrwise.

Our injury management leaves a lot to be desired, we know that. We were also extremely fit during '18.

Have standards slipped? Dunno. It's clear that something changed since COVID and we already know the club didn't adapt to hubbing very well. Perhaps it stems from there.

Start with a clean slate this pre-season and hopefully there's significant improve.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Perhaps the reason we have so many injuries to key players is because our key players are old?

Plenty of the <30 cohort are on the injured list though. Allen, Cole, Chesser, Edwards, Sheed, Petruccelle, Joyce have all missed the whole season or large chunks of it.

(“Large chunks” also describes this season pretty well, actually)

 

[amazingjoshy]

Plenty of the <30 cohort are on the injured list though. Allen, Cole, Chesser, Edwards, Sheed, Petruccelle, Joyce have all missed the whole season or large chunks of it.

(“Large chunks” also describes this season pretty well, actually)

Yeah but tough to suggest any of those (bar maybe Allen and Sheed) would've greatly resulted in a whole bunch more wins.

Point being bad luck can be used as an excuse for losing a game or two or maybe having a slightly poorer season than expected. But we're talking all time worst team ever type of record over a SEASON AND A HALF.

When's the point where it's no longer luck and it's just how it is?

 

[Shueygod]

Yeah but tough to suggest any of those (bar maybe Allen and Sheed) would've greatly resulted in a whole bunch more wins.

Point being bad luck can be used as an excuse for losing a game or two or maybe having a slightly poorer season than expected. But we're talking all time worst team ever type of record over a SEASON AND A HALF.

When's the point where it's no longer luck and it's just how it is?

You have to stop looking at injuries individually, it’s the culmination of a large injury list that has truly ****ed us.

 

[shooshka]

You’re just making stuff up at this point, O’Neil and Culley have both had significant opportunities in the midfield while redden and Shuey have been in the side.

The fact West and Clark haven’t likely says more about their ability than the selection panel, they’re both WAFL players.

Actually, you seem to be the one making things up in this instance.

Culley's 'significant opportunities' in the middle were 1 game (78% CBA), the other 2 games (noting a 3qtr time injury in his 3rd game) he was at 45% (1st game) and 32% (final game) CBA's.

O'neill has a season high of 65% attendance (once), 3 in the mid 50's, 2 in the mid 40's then 4 games below 40% attendance. Of his 6 highest CBA games this year, 2 were games where both Shuey and Kelly didn't play (no other choices to play at the CBA's) and 2 were at the expense of Redden (games where Redden attended 0 CBA's).

Clark has had 1 game over 35% CBA attendance (no Shuey that day). West's highest 2 CBA games were again when Shuey didn't play.

I'm not arguing that any of Xon, Clark or West are better players than Shuey or Redden (or Kelly, but he's nowhere near retirement so I wouldn't expect him to be part of this conversation) - just that Shuey and Redden are clearly starving those players of opportunity, granted due to their performance history but the reality is they are not going to be playing if/when we rise up the ladder.

 

[ziad]

Last year.

the hub getting belted by GC???

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

the hub getting belted by GC???

There was a whole year in between the hub season and this season. Historians refer to this period as “2021”

 

[amazingjoshy]

You have to stop looking at injuries individually, it’s the culmination of a large injury list that has truly *ed us.

I'll reiterate my point.

You can't blame a season and a half of being one of the worst teams in the history of the game on bad luck.

If its bad injury management then that's far too long for a club to not act. It's much more than bad luck

 

[bzparkes]

the hub getting belted by GC???

Que?

"After the bye last year" generally indicates the games after the bye last year, especially when referring to last season, not this one.

 

[shooshka]

I'll reiterate my point.

You can't blame a season and a half of being one of the worst teams in the history of the game on bad luck.

If its bad injury management then that's far too long for a club to not act. It's much more than bad luck

And there are 2 pretty clear areas for our club to look at first:

• the grounds (they are clearly too hard, likely MRP and Optus, but at the very least 1 of them is causing issues)
• our S&C team. Multiple times have sent players back out only for injuries to get worse, OP (with CJ having similar issues is that 3 now with Yeo and Ledwards who have an issue that is basically eradicated at other clubs?). End of season recovery/surgery etc. How often do we delay surgery until the very start of preseason - so that the injured player has a compromised season to follow.

I get that treating the cause (mostly the grounds) is the best fix. But if that isn't possible them at least treat the symptoms (i.e. have a capable S&C team that is pre-emptive in looking for the injuries that we have consistently had). We seem to have done neither, and then been surprised as our injury list grows.