Strapping Young Lad
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Player Watch Welcome to Hawthorn : Jai “Duke” Newcombe - 2024 Peter Crimmins medalist
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Fine with him missing the 22 under 22 side. It looks like they've actually picked it based on position played as opposed to the AA method of jamming midfielders on every flank.
I'm comfortable that he's currently externally rated behind Brayshaw, Walsh, Smith and Serong as they're all proven guns over multiple seasons. Jai has only had the one stand out season so far. I don't think the 22 under 22 side is explicitly just based on the current season.
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After a barnstorming last few weeks, Jai ended up here (amongst rising star eligible, not just nominated, players):
1st I50s - 90 (Nick Daicos second on 60)
1st Goal Assists - 16 (Corey Durdin second on 13)
1st Tackles - 101 (Finn second on 57)
1st Contested Possessions - 201 (JHF second on 142)
1st Centre Clearances - 33 (JHF second on 19)
1st Clearances - 85 (JHF second on 58)
1st Average Metres Gained - 435pg (Daicos second on 407)
1st Score Involvements - 119 (Nic Martin second on 118)
2nd Disposals - 497 (Daicos first with 571)
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Fan vote. Media hype plays a massive part in the selection of this side.
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True. But still, comfortable for him to be rated behind those I listed for a inside midfield spot.
Wouldn't be surprised if a certain group of fans intentionally left him out
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Yes, and also very much to do with where clubs sit on the ladder. Richmond is the only team making the 8 that hasn't got a player in the best 22 under 22. All the bottom sides from Hawthorn's position down, have none.
I'm disappointed for Jai as I do think he deserves the recognition but we know he's a gun and so do many seasoned footy commentators and analysts.
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Yep... We've been off Broadway given our ladder position this year, so it was always going to be tough with a fan vote.
Cerra being eligible for a wing position, whilst Smith wasn't is odd... that certainly didn't help.
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Newcombe had a much better year than Cerra
And he's on a quarter of the wage
And he's on a quarter of the wage
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So that's why Tippa retired?
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Wouldn't be surprised if he finishes 4th in the Rising Star. The hype that Ginnivan has received will probably get him above Newcombe even though he doesn't belong there
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3rd. Behind Daicos and Dekoning.
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Shouldn't be behind De Koning but you just know it will happen.
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De Koning has had a huge year. Could go either way but with the cats finishing on top he will get it. I could see him beating Daicos if his name wasn’t already engraved.
Bloody annoying they picked him up.
" Deserves" ??
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Also according to the coaches:
| Position | Name (Club) | Sum of Votes |
| 24 | Jai Newcombe (HAW) | 44 |
| 53 | Nick Daicos (COLL) | 30 |
| 97 | Sam De Koning (GEEL) | 21 |
| 188 | Nick Martin (ESS) | 10 |
Also according to CD Player Ratings:
| Position | Name (Club) | Average Rating | Note |
| Mid | Jai Newcombe (HAW) | 12.5 | Highest average rating for a rising star nominee ever (Marcus Bontempelli 2nd in 2014 on 11.7) |
| Def | Nick Daicos (COLL) | 10.2 | |
| Key def | Sam De Koning (GEEL) | 8.8 |
Stats Insider Ratings:
| Position | Name (Club) | Rating |
| Mid | Jai Newcombe (HAW) | 91.4 |
| Def | Nick Daicos (COLL) | 86.7 |
| Key def | Sam De Koning (GEEL) | 86.2 |
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Those are an impressive group of stats. But he’s a midfielder going against a HBF and a key defender. When pretty much all of those stats favour being a midfielder.
Saying that he’s had a wonderful year. And it really doesn’t matter where he finishes. All that matters is that we found a player.
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Champion Data and Stats Insider player ratings use a formula to decide the impact of a player. The formulas are as close to positionally agnostic as you can get (hence them occasionally throwing out a really strange elite player) and Newc is a considerable margin ahead in both.
I agree that it doesn't matter where he finishes, couldn't give a shit if he misses the rising star - I do have an issue when someone says he deserves to finish third. Particularly a Hawks supporter.
Realistic.
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He won't be winning it mate, so it's good you don't care who wins it. Won't have to listen to a melt from you despite all those agenda driven metrics.
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Agenda driven metrics, or just... metrics.
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I guess we'll find out when the Rising star is awarded. I won't be complaining if Jai wins as I like the kid. Just don't think he will.
