List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

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Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[archiemoses]

I swear this board doesn’t even think sometimes.

“We’ve revealed our draft hand”.

Who predicted us picking Chesser over Johnson this far out last year?

None of you campaigners know what we will do so please stop pretending you do.

It was all over the late mail actually.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

If you don't think clubs have these conversations then you're kidding yourself. Just like we would at pick 9,10,11 exactly as you said.

Your job is to maximise your draft hand and acquire the talent you have rated highly.

We have weakened that ability because its obvious we like the WA boys. Maybe the other clubs don't and it works out. Maybe other clubs thought they'd get Ginbey later? Now they are going to ask themselves questions.

Yes but our pick doesn’t evaporate if someone jumps is and takes Ginbey at seven. We’ll just take someone else at eight.

The same number of prospects will be available, so we’ll take our next cab off the rank, and that’s fine.

Maybe all the clubs will swoop on the WA talent because of how keen we are and we’ll get Wardlaw at 8.

 

[Shueygod]

It was all over the late mail actually.

Yeah key word is late mail champ, as in a week out from the draft.

Please stop pretending like you know who they’re going to pick 2 months out, it’s ludicrous.

Eagles are notoriously good for their preferred players not leaking.

 

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[Carbine Chaos]

Eagles are notoriously good for their preferred players not leaking.

Gee whiz, imagine our medical staff trying to deal with urinary tract infections for the new kids next year. That's all we need.

 

[The Passenger]

There’s 17 other teams. You can’t play defence in the draft. You take who you want, and pick based off where you have your guys.

If any team was going to run defence in this draft it would be us now that we have two picks close to each other.

But even still, it's a very risky strategy to pick your second choice (of those not taken, obviously) with #8 because you think he's going to get taken at 9, 10 or 11 and then still be confident your first choice will be there at #12.

You've probably got to ask yourself why you think your first-choice player would be available in four picks time and if so, should he really be your first choice? That sort of drafting strategy starts to give off a lot of Liam Stocker vibes about it.

This sort of thing probably happens a lot later in the draft when the draft pool events right out, but it's a dicey play to go for at the higher end of the draft.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

That's not the point. If it's a toss up between player x and player y and they know we want y, they will take him because they know he's no chance no get to their next pick.

Geez mate! You should be called Crikeymoses!!

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

I might get shot down for this....but **** it, decision has been made we move on and now need to make sure we hit with the multiple picks we have in the first round.

That being said, give me the vanilla of vanilla. The most typical west coast pick we can find that we can almost put our left nut he will play 200 games. And from what the draft watchers alluded too, that will be both Clark and Mackenzie.

Phillipou has the highest ceiling but we cant afford the risk. And to be fair we will shit the bed another season so top three pick again baby.

 

[Cuzz09]

I'm assuming they have a list with their preferences

As each name is read out they're crossed off and we just take the one who's top of our list at the time.



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[HoneyBadger35]

If any team was going to run defence in this draft it would be us now that we have two picks close to each other.

But even still, it's a very risky strategy to pick your second choice (of those not taken, obviously) with #8 because you think he's going to get taken at 9, 10 or 11 and then still be confident your first choice will be there at #12.

You've probably got to ask yourself why you think your first-choice player would be available in four picks time and if so, should he really be your first choice? That sort of drafting strategy starts to give off a lot of Liam Stocker vibes about it.

This sort of thing probably happens a lot later in the draft when the draft pool events right out, but it's a dicey play to go for at the higher end of the draft.

No doubt that happens later in the draft. Would be naive to think that it doesn’t, once the boards fan out massively and teams rate needs vs rankings vs potential and a million other factors.

At the pointy end, you take who you think will set you up for the next decade, not who you think will ruffle the feathers of the teams picking after you.

 

[archiemoses]

Yeah key word is late mail champ, as in a week out from the draft.

Please stop pretending like you know who they’re going to pick 2 months out, it’s ludicrous.

Eagles are notoriously good for their preferred players not leaking.

I could be right and I could be wrong but we'll never know as the club will never tell us who they rated higher that they missed out on.

But if you think we traded back from 2 to 8 to target Victorian talent which we could have got at pick 2, then good for you.

 

[archiemoses]

Hopefully this whole discussion is moot when Wardlaw slides to 8 and RoBo is a genius.

 

[Shueygod]

I could be right and I could be wrong but we'll never know as the club will never tell us who they rated higher that they missed out on.

But if you think we traded back from 2 to 8 to target Victorian talent which we could have got at pick 2, then good for you.

I think there’s a big chance we consider Phillipou and Humphrey less of a flight risk than the vic metro boys and gamestyles suit us better.

Tell me who you’d take at 2 and why they’re a better prospect than either of those two?

 

[TerryFilk]

I swear this board doesn’t even think sometimes.

“We’ve revealed our draft hand”.

Who predicted us picking Chesser over Johnson this far out last year?

None of you campaigners know what we will do so please stop pretending you do.

Pretty much any sane person after the Chesser links came out the night before

 

[HoneyBadger35]

I could be right and I could be wrong but we'll never know as the club will never tell us who they rated higher that they missed out on.

But if you think we traded back from 2 to 8 to target Victorian talent which we could have got at pick 2, then good for you.

Hopefully this whole discussion is moot when Wardlaw slides to 8 and RoBo is a genius.

Nobody is saying we can get someone at 8 that we wanted at 2. Just that teams won’t jump up ahead of us to take ______ simply because they know we want them. Teams aren’t stealing WA talent to mess with us, they’ll take the guys they think are best.

Your top 10 picks are who you think will give you 200 games. You don’t shake up your board just to mess with the team below you. If we get our guy and the other teams get their guys - that’s fine. If teams take WA guys from under us - we’ll just draft someone else.

The only team remotely in a position to do any of this is us, or GWS in the late first. Teams with multiple picks who will need to consider the order of them to try and maximise value.

If someone mortgages their future to jump up to Pick 7, purely to take who we wanted at 8, good luck to them. We’ll just take the next best available on our list. And if they’re doing it because they’re hoping their backup guy lasts to their next pick, then good ****ing luck because very few teams have picks within 15 spots of eachother at the pointy end. That’s a lot of team to clear to be double dipping.

 

[Shueygod]

Pretty much any sane person after the Chesser links came out the night before

Proving my point that the board can’t read, I clearly said this far out.

 

[The Passenger]

That's not the point. If it's a toss up between player x and player y and they know we want y, they will take him because they know he's no chance no get to their next pick.

This only potentially happens if a club has two picks close to ours, one of which needs to come just before 8 or 12 (or both). But as it currently stands no clubs are in that position and that is unlikely to change this week, though it possibly could with live trading on draft night (it probably won't though).

Given the current draft positions, in your example, neither Player X nor Player Y would get through to their next picks. Gold Coast's next pick after 5 and 7 is 45... Hawthorn after 6 is 24... St Kilda 9 to 28, Carlton 10 to 29, Bulldogs 11 to 30. That's too far for a player to slide.

Interestingly Gold Coast could pull this play on Hawthorn, but it's still dicey and you've got to have your intel real solid on what the club(s) between your picks are going to do.

 

[random260]

Hmm I do wonder if WCE sometimes spray their load because of combine results.

Petch was picked because of his combine
Duggan was picked because of his combine
XON
Nic was picked because of his combine
Now Ginsby & Hewieitt because of it.


Fast forward 2023. I dude we never heard of who is from WA gets a good combine result. WELP TIME TO GET HIM. Maybe I'm on to something seems rather lazy recruiting

 

[archiemoses]

I think there’s a big chance we consider Phillipou and Humphrey less of a flight risk than the vic metro boys and gamestyles suit us better.

Tell me who you’d take at 2 and why they’re a better prospect than either of those two?

I'm only interested in Wardlaw at 2. He's exactly what we need to build a midfield around.

 

[dinnaz]

I might get shot down for this....but * it, decision has been made we move on and now need to make sure we hit with the multiple picks we have in the first round.

That being said, give me the vanilla of vanilla. The most typical west coast pick we can find that we can almost put our left nut he will play 200 games. And from what the draft watchers alluded too, that will be both Clark and Mackenzie.

Phillipou has the highest ceiling but we cant afford the risk. And to be fair we will s**t the bed another season so top three pick again baby.

What's the risk?

 

[bzparkes]

Hmm I do wonder if WCE sometimes spray their load because of combine results.

Petch was picked because of his combine
Duggan was picked because of his combine
Nic was picked because of his combine
Now Ginsby & Hewieitt because of it.


Fast forward 2023. I dude we never heard of who is from WA gets a good combine result. WELP TIME TO GET HIM. Maybe I'm on to something seems rather lazy recruiting

Petch was developing nicely until a spate of hamstring injuries ruined his continuity. Hope he gets a clean run at it.

Duggan's been great, apart from this year but the whole team was garbo, so whatever.

Nic isn't worth explaining.

 

[archiemoses]

This only potentially happens if a club has two picks close to ours, one of which needs to come just before 8 or 12 (or both). But as it currently stands no clubs are in that position and that is unlikely to change this week, though it possibly could with live trading on draft night (it probably won't though).

Given the current draft positions, in your example, neither Player X nor Player Y would get through to their next picks. Gold Coast's next pick after 5 and 7 is 45... Hawthorn after 6 is 24... St Kilda 9 to 28, Carlton 10 to 29, Bulldogs 11 to 30. That's too far for a player to slide.

Interestingly Gold Coast could pull this play on Hawthorn, but it's still dicey and you've got to have your intel real solid on what the club(s) between your picks are going to do.

Yep, that's fair analysis. Looks like low risk the way things stand currently.

I understood the top 5 was pretty clear and then pretty even for the next 20 odd and we have 4 picks (almost) in that range.

 

[Shueygod]

I'm only interested in Wardlaw at 2. He's exactly what we need to build a midfield around.

Yeah and he has paper for hamstrings, played 2 games this year and is allegedly a flight risk.

What were your thoughts on the Chesser pick last year? Similar in that they both had most of their draft years on the sideline.

Wardlaw is a competitive beast and I think he’ll be a gun if he stays fit.

I’m terms of potential I think both Humphrey and Phillipou are more likely to be Brownlow winners.

 

[kerrazy]

You guys won't see proper melting until we reach for Jones at 8 due to his combine results.

 

[archiemoses]

Yeah and he has paper for hamstrings, played 2 games this year and is allegedly a flight risk.

What were your thoughts on the Chesser pick last year? Similar in that they both had most of their draft years on the sideline.

Wardlaw is a competitive beast and I think he’ll be a gun if he stays fit.

I’m terms of potential I think both Humphrey and Phillipou are more likely to be Brownlow winners.

Wardlaw never had soft tissue injuries prior and they were on the low end of severity so I don't subscribe to the paper hamstrings theory.

Chesser's injury was far more significant and exposed form as a mid was only a handful of games. I would have preferred we took him a bit later, even traded up our second pick to late teens.