List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

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Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[illegaleagle]

The Victorian players are overrated every year and WA players underrated. All the WA top prospects played WAFL league Hewett, Ginbey, Jones and Hagan where all the Victorian prospects only played u 18s. Busslinger who is easily the best defender of the draft class is somehow rated outside top 10 in the draft. If he was Victorian would be in the top 5 for sure. Remember when Oscar Allan who was the best key forward of that draft slipped all the way to pick 19 and the dud Victorian key forward Brander was pick 13.

 

[Altum Volantes]

The Victorian players are overrated every year and WA players underrated. All the WA top prospects played WAFL league Hewett, Ginbey, Jones and Hagan where all the Victorian prospects only played u 18s. Busslinger who is easily the best defender of the draft class is somehow rated outside top 10 in the draft. If he was Victorian would be in the top 5 for sure. Remember when Oscar Allan who was the best key forward of that draft slipped all the way to pick 19 and the dud Victorian key forward Brander was pick 13.

Well he raises some good points but what does SOS think?

Who’s the next Paddy Dow?

 

[George Kramer]

You guys going for Crouch? Please

 

[archiemoses]

Not only did we get unders for pick 2, in doing so we've basically revealed our draft hand to the world allowing for other clubs to basically hit the WA talent one pick before us.

Sure it's not hard to predict but I'm damn sure RoBo isn't playing 4D chess.

 

[Forward Press]

Not only did we get unders for pick 2, in doing so we've basically revealed our draft hand to the world allowing for other clubs to basically hit the WA talent one pick before us.

Sure it's not hard to predict but I'm damn sure RoBo isn't playing 4D chess.

"Sure, we rate this non-WA player better and we were gonna take him, but since it's the pick before West Coast we'll take their WA player and they can have this Vic Metro dude we rate better. Checkmate!"

 

[THE A5]

You guys going for Crouch? Please

nah pls keep him

 

[THE A5]

The Victorian players are overrated every year and WA players underrated. All the WA top prospects played WAFL league Hewett, Ginbey, Jones and Hagan where all the Victorian prospects only played u 18s. Busslinger who is easily the best defender of the draft class is somehow rated outside top 10 in the draft. If he was Victorian would be in the top 5 for sure. Remember when Oscar Allan who was the best key forward of that draft slipped all the way to pick 19 and the dud Victorian key forward Brander was pick 13.

pretty sure he was rated 5-10 before his injury

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Not only did we get unders for pick 2, in doing so we've basically revealed our draft hand to the world allowing for other clubs to basically hit the WA talent one pick before us.

Sure it's not hard to predict but I'm damn sure RoBo isn't playing 4D chess.

I never understood this logic.

Eagles recruiters are bad at their jobs and always reach.
Other teams know we’re keen on ______ so will get ahead and steal him off us.

Our pick doesn’t then disappear. Just leaves the players that better recruitment departments had rated higher, before they stepped in to steal our pick for…reasons.

If people know we’re keen on WA talent, they’ll still take who they want. If they take who we want, the alleged ‘better’ player we’re ignoring for being non WA is still there.

 

[TOA.]

Not only did we get unders for pick 2, in doing so we've basically revealed our draft hand to the world allowing for other clubs to basically hit the WA talent one pick before us.

Sure it's not hard to predict but I'm damn sure RoBo isn't playing 4D chess.

Pretty sure clubs like the cats couldnt give two hoots what we have in mind

 

[ep2018]

Not only did we get unders for pick 2, in doing so we've basically revealed our draft hand to the world allowing for other clubs to basically hit the WA talent one pick before us.

Sure it's not hard to predict but I'm damn sure RoBo isn't playing 4D chess.

I imagine part of this mega trade was a handshake agreement in regards to teams involved not drafting certain players (similar to how we agreed with Collingwood for them not to take Sheed in 2013(?).... lol). A lil worried who Geelong might take with pick 7 if Clark is already taken by then, but I imagine we have three or four names on the board with 8 and 12 and we should get two of them.

 

[archiemoses]

"Sure, we rate this non-WA player better and we were gonna take him, but since it's the pick before West Coast we'll take their WA player and they can have this Vic Metro dude we rate better. Checkmate!"

That's not the point. If it's a toss up between player x and player y and they know we want y, they will take him because they know he's no chance no get to their next pick.

 

[Forward Press]

That's not the point. If it's a toss up between player x and player y and they know we want y, they will take him because they know he's no chance no get to their next pick.

Then we take Player X who is apparently rated the same as Player Y. Wow, such a drafting blunder.

Are you serious with this logic?

 

[nameless]

I remember people being upset when we 'downgraded' picks in 2013 because we had a player in mind... You ***** know what happened next...

 

[AnyDanger]

Just out of interest... pick 3s vs 9s+13s

2021 - F Callaghan vs J Gibcus + B Hobbs
2020 - W Phillips vs A Perkins + T Powell
2019 - L Jackson vs L Henry + W Day
2018 - I Rankine vs C Jones + I Quaynor
2017 - P Dow vs A Naughton + J Brander
2016 - H McCluggage vs W Brodie + D Venables
2015 - C Mills vs S Weideman + M Kennedy
2014 - Ang Brayshaw vs D Moore + L Weller
2013 - J Billings vs C Salem + P Cripps
2012 - L Plowman vs N Vlastuin + J Lonergan
2011 - D Tyson vs A Tomlinson + T Adams
2010 - S Day vs D Prestia + S Tape

 

[Altum Volantes]

You I never understood this logic.

Eagles recruiters are bad at their jobs and always reach.
Other teams know we’re keen on ______ so will get ahead and steal him off us.

Our pick doesn’t then disappear. Just leaves the players that better recruitment departments had rated higher, before they stepped in to steal our pick for…reasons.

If people know we’re keen on WA talent, they’ll still take who they want. If they take who we want, the alleged ‘better’ player we’re ignoring for being non WA is still there.

No you are wrong, they’ll take the WA boy to spite the Eagles and make them suffer!



I swear this place is turning into nuffie central, and I’ve been posting here a long time and can recognise an increase in nuffie activity.

Either this place is full of nuffies OR Facebook is full of knowledgeable footy brains - because it’s exactly the same level of carry on over there…

 

[archiemoses]

Then we take Player X who is apparently rated the same as Player Y. Wow, such a drafting blunder.

Are you serious with this logic?

What are you on about? Does everyone have the exact same draft board??

We could have no interest in player X. Maybe he's way down OUR board and oppo team get two players they want because they know who we are likely to target.

 

[nameless]

Just out of interest... pick 3s vs 9s+13s

2021 - F Callaghan vs J Gibcus + B Hobbs
2020 - W Phillips vs A Perkins + T Powell
2019 - L Jackson vs L Henry + W Day
2018 - I Rankine vs C Jones + I Quaynor
2017 - P Dow vs A Naughton + J Brander
2016 - H McCluggage vs W Brodie + D Venables
2015 - C Mills vs S Weideman + M Kennedy
2014 - Ang Brayshaw vs D Moore + L Weller
2013 - J Billings vs C Salem + P Cripps
2012 - L Plowman vs N Vlastuin + J Lonergan
2011 - D Tyson vs A Tomlinson + T Adams
2010 - S Day vs D Prestia + S Tape

Pick 3 wins it in 2015, 16, 18 and 19 so far.

The rest you'd take 9 & 13

 

[RookiePick]

Just out of interest... pick 3s vs 9s+13s

2021 - F Callaghan vs J Gibcus + B Hobbs
2020 - W Phillips vs A Perkins + T Powell
2019 - L Jackson vs L Henry + W Day
2018 - I Rankine vs C Jones + I Quaynor
2017 - P Dow vs A Naughton + J Brander
2016 - H McCluggage vs W Brodie + D Venables
2015 - C Mills vs S Weideman + M Kennedy
2014 - Ang Brayshaw vs D Moore + L Weller
2013 - J Billings vs C Salem + P Cripps
2012 - L Plowman vs N Vlastuin + J Lonergan
2011 - D Tyson vs A Tomlinson + T Adams
2010 - S Day vs D Prestia + S Tape

Seeing 2 of the 3 total flops in your pick 9 and 13's are Eagles is hardly confidence inspiring.

 

[ep2018]

I remember people being upset when we 'downgraded' picks in 2013 because we had a player in mind... You ***** know what happened next...

We needed to downgrade the pick to get the pick Brisbane wanted for Yeo iirc

 

[HoneyBadger35]

What are you on about? Does everyone have the exact same draft board??

We could have no interest in player X. Maybe he's way down OUR board and oppo team get two players they want because they know who we are likely to target.

There’s 17 other teams. You can’t play defence in the draft. You take who you want, and pick based off where you have your guys.

Lone exception to this would be if you had picks close together, to inform the order in which you take your picks.

We’d want a good idea on will go 9/10/11 as it might affect who we take at 8. Can we double dip or will we just take our top player and not try to game the system, that’s down to intel.

The concept of other teams in the first round jumping in to take who we want, just because we want them, is odd. Who else is better placed than us, who is in a spot to double dip in the first round, between the 8-12 range? If a team has two guys rated similarly, they’re not taking our guy just because he’s our guy, and they’re not banking on him being there for their next pick because nobody else is loaded with high picks. If they’re banking on someone sliding 10-15 picks so they can get after him again, then good luck to them.

If we want player X, and a team jumps up to take him, we’ll take our next best available. Where they had the next best available is irrelevant to us. We can’t stop all the teams from getting talent in the door.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

According to this board , country lads arent mommas boys

Not all Vic country teams are country. I would hardly call Ballarat or Bendigo far from Melbourne

I suggest players who have spent time in boarding school have learnt to make the most and get on with it.

Similar to Tim English - he had boarded at Christchurch so was comfortable away from home

I guess that shows how important the interviews and home visits are in the process

 

[CursoryMercenary]

Not only did we get unders for pick 2, in doing so we've basically revealed our draft hand to the world allowing for other clubs to basically hit the WA talent one pick before us.

Sure it's not hard to predict but I'm damn sure RoBo isn't playing 4D chess.

This..

 

[Shueygod]

Not only did we get unders for pick 2, in doing so we've basically revealed our draft hand to the world allowing for other clubs to basically hit the WA talent one pick before us.

Sure it's not hard to predict but I'm damn sure RoBo isn't playing 4D chess.

I swear this board doesn’t even think sometimes.

“We’ve revealed our draft hand”.

Who predicted us picking Chesser over Johnson this far out last year?

None of you campaigners know what we will do so please stop pretending you do.

 

[archiemoses]

There’s 17 other teams. You can’t play defence in the draft. You take who you want, and pick based off where you have your guys.

Lone exception to this would be if you had picks close together, to inform the order in which you take your picks.

We’d want a good idea on will go 9/10/11 as it might affect who we take at 8. Can we double dip or will we just take our top player and not try to game the system, that’s down to intel.

The concept of other teams in the first round jumping in to take who we want, just because we want them, is odd. Who else is better placed than us, who is in a spot to double dip in the first round, between the 8-12 range? If a team has two guys rated similarly, they’re not taking our guy just because he’s our guy, and they’re not banking on him being there for their next pick because nobody else is loaded with high picks. If they’re banking on someone sliding 10-15 picks so they can get after him again, then good luck to them.

If we want player X, and a team jumps up to take him, we’ll take our next best available. Where they had the next best available is irrelevant to us. We can’t stop all the teams from getting talent in the door.

If you don't think clubs have these conversations then you're kidding yourself. Just like we would at pick 9,10,11 exactly as you said.

Your job is to maximise your draft hand and acquire the talent you have rated highly.

We have weakened that ability because its obvious we like the WA boys. Maybe the other clubs don't and it works out. Maybe other clubs thought they'd get Ginbey later? Now they are going to ask themselves questions.

 

[Coasters7]

I remember people being upset when we 'downgraded' picks in 2013 because we had a player in mind... You ***** know what happened next...

Nothing wrong with the downgrade, we should have walked away with more. Somehow everyone in that trade let Port wiggle out of the hole they’d dig themselves for not a whole lot else from their end. They were over a barrel and still ended up the best of the 4.

This is where future picks from further out than 2 years would have helped. They didn’t really have anything else to give in draft capital so they walked away with a bargain because everyone else just wanted to get the deal done