Football Related Random Thread - PART 2

[Dalions]

AFL funding article link

Winners and losers: The 2023 AFL club funding ladder revealed

• The Brisbane Lions, who have the competition’s largest debt, will retain a similar level of funding to 2022, a total of more than $18 million, and will rank third on the funding table, narrowly ahead of North Melbourne. The Kangaroos have had variable funding increased this year to more than $18 million after several years in which they were well behind St Kilda and even the Western Bulldogs financially.

From that same article -

While the amounts shift each year, according to the position of the clubs, the AFL has been careful to not slash the funding of clubs with significant debt, notably the Lions and Saints. The Brisbane Lions still owe more than $13 million to either the AFL or their bank, but made a sizeable profit last year and have recovered strongly from the COVID-19 pandemic period.

 

[Mighty Lions]

From that same article -

While the amounts shift each year, according to the position of the clubs, the AFL has been careful to not slash the funding of clubs with significant debt, notably the Lions and Saints. The Brisbane Lions still owe more than $13 million to either the AFL or their bank, but made a sizeable profit last year and have recovered strongly from the COVID-19 pandemic period.

When the construction starts at the Gabba, we will need significant assistance while being without our home.

 

[Dalions]

When the construction starts at the Gabba, we will need significant assistance while being without our home.

Hopefully we can start to recover some of that debt before that happens now that we are into Springfield.

 

[Fatcat08]

When the construction starts at the Gabba, we will need significant assistance while being without our home.

Would be very interesting to what our new gabba tenancy deal will be that they were negotiating at the end of last year. Wonder if it's done yet. We rolled to month by month leases on all our locations bar Springfield in lions shop and vic hq. I wonder whether SQ and the qld govt will favour giving us a much better stadium deal this round so we can better our financial position and thereby reduce any financial compensation they may need to dish out during the gabba rebuild. Wonder what the club is or has been pushing for. The prospect of making a series of large profits in the next few years while we're contenders and crowds are good would be nice, in order to smash that debt down significantly.

But that attracts less money from the AFL so it's a balancing act.

This year's financials are going to be fascinating as the only real insight on where that balance falls unfortunately.

Will be interesting to see what the Springfield gym generates us as well. I don't know the economics of gyms at all so will be fascinating to see if that's a good income generator for our half of that business

 

[Section 5]

Hopefully we can start to recover some of that debt before that happens now that we are into Springfield.

I don't see being located at Springfield will relieve our debt situation.
Staying a top 4 and or top 8 side will help greatly.
That all but guarantees a good membership figure and crowd attendance at home and away games.
Sponsors more likely to stick with the club. Corporate membership the same

The game day fees at the Gabba will remain about the same, possible a little more.
We won't have to pay for the other facilities the players used at The Gabba like the Gym, meeting rooms etc etc.
Those costs would have been substantial.
The Lions shop is staying there for now but that comes with room rental, wages insurance etc.

However, The Gabba gym, meeting rooms etc saving, will be offset by the Lions having to maintain the new large facility at Springfield.
This cost could be more than the Gabba charged.
The new 50/50 partnership with Total Fusion will spread the costs and generate some income for the Gym building.
For the remainder of Brighton Homes Arena, the Lions will be up for lots of expenses for the facility.
The Admin part of wages should remain steady in line with previous years.
But you will have groundman and other facility staff that will be extra.
Insurance, maintenance for the ground and buildings are extra. Lots of other hidden costs.

Income from the cafe and bar will be offset by wages, license fees etc.etc. It is hard to make a profit in hospitality.
The club may have put the cafe out to tender and charge them rent, but i am not sure it they have done that.

AFLW & AFL games.
Each year it will likely be 5 AFLW games and hopefully a final game with 1 AFL preseason game.

Income from say the Geelong game will be from car park fees, ground catering, bar, cafe and merchandising. Tickets are free.
Expenses will be cost of goods, entry point staff wages as it will be ticketed, security staff, cleaners, additional for hire toilets etc.

AFLW games, income $10 tickets with children free + car park fees.
Expenses the same as Geelong game.

 

[Fatcat08]

I don't see being located at Springfield will relieve our debt situation.
Staying a top 4 and or top 8 side will help greatly.
That all but guarantees a good membership figure and crowd attendance at home and away games.
Sponsors more likely to stick with the club. Corporate membership the same

The game day fees at the Gabba will remain about the same, possible a little more.
We won't have to pay for the other facilities the players used at The Gabba like the Gym, meeting rooms etc etc.
Those costs would have been substantial.
The Lions shop is staying there for now but that comes with room rental, wages insurance etc.

However, The Gabba gym, meeting rooms etc saving, will be offset by the Lions having to maintain the new large facility at Springfield.
This cost could be more than the Gabba charged.
The new 50/50 partnership with Total Fusion will spread the costs and generate some income for the Gym building.
For the remainder of Brighton Homes Arena, the Lions will be up for lots of expenses for the facility.
The Admin part of wages should remain steady in line with previous years.
But you will have groundman and other facility staff that will be extra.
Insurance, maintenance for the ground and buildings are extra. Lots of other hidden costs.

Income from the cafe and bar will be offset by wages, license fees etc.etc. It is hard to make a profit in hospitality.
The club may have put the cafe out to tender and charge them rent, but i am not sure it they have done that.

AFLW & AFL games.
Each year it will likely be 5 AFLW games and hopefully a final game with 1 AFL preseason game.

Income from say the Geelong game will be from car park fees, ground catering, bar, cafe and merchandising. Tickets are free.
Expenses will be cost of goods, entry point staff wages as it will be ticketed, security staff, cleaners, additional for hire toilets etc.

AFLW games, income $10 tickets with children free + car park fees.
Expenses the same as Geelong game.

I think it will make a massive difference ongoing. Last figure I heard for the gabba for admin and player facilities was close to 1 million per annum. That's a massive saving. Even if it wasn't quite that it would still be a lot for office and other space that size that close to the city

Sure some of it will be taken up by maintaining Springfield however the lions were already paying about 60k-80k pa to maintain coorparoo (albeit with some income coming in from it) which is gone and leasing costs at yeronga and usage costs at a few other venues from memory. So I'd say the cost saving for other venues v maintenance cost for Springfield won't be far apart, especially for a brand new venue which tends to have lower maintenance costs initially. Then the gabba will be a full saving. Plus increased revenue from naming rights etc.

 

[Dalions]

I think it will make a massive difference ongoing. Last figure I heard for the gabba for admin and player facilities was close to 1 million per annum. That's a massive saving. Even if it wasn't quite that it would still be a lot for office and other space that size that close to the city

Sure some of it will be taken up by maintaining Springfield however the lions were already paying about 60k-80k pa to maintain coorparoo (albeit with some income coming in from it) which is gone and leasing costs at yeronga and usage costs at a few other venues from memory. So I'd say the cost saving for other venues v maintenance cost for Springfield won't be far apart, especially for a brand new venue which tends to have lower maintenance costs initially. Then the gabba will be a full saving. Plus increased revenue from naming rights etc.

I have heard more around $2mil per annum for the use of the space at the Gabba.

 

[Fatcat08]

I have heard more around $2mil per annum for the use of the space at the Gabba.

That would be massive. Would have turned our operating profit up to over 4 million last year if that was the case

 

[Section 5]

I think it will make a massive difference ongoing. Last figure I heard for the gabba for admin and player facilities was close to 1 million per annum. That's a massive saving. Even if it wasn't quite that it would still be a lot for office and other space that size that close to the city

Sure some of it will be taken up by maintaining Springfield however the lions were already paying about 60k-80k pa to maintain coorparoo (albeit with some income coming in from it) which is gone and leasing costs at yeronga and usage costs at a few other venues from memory. So I'd say the cost saving for other venues v maintenance cost for Springfield won't be far apart, especially for a brand new venue which tends to have lower maintenance costs initially. Then the gabba will be a full saving. Plus increased revenue from naming rights etc.

I hope you are right and the difference in the previous leases costings is less than the additional expenses running Brighton Homes Arena.
I still think the running of the new venue will be way more than people think.
Will have to wait till next year's financial report to see how we are travelling.
Hopefully we make 2 finals so it will be a fair comparison.

Below the lease arrangements and some figures from our recent financial report
I am not qualified on how to interpret the lease figures mentioned.

Someone else may be able to explain if the line item:
Total cash outflow for leases $841,912
is in fact the total lease outlays for the year.

https://resources.lions.com.au/aflc-bl/document/2023/01/09/c78c8030-2fe6-4f4b-90dd-96c8af5f9a78/2022_Financial_Report.pdf

 

[Section 5]

Winners and losers: The 2023 AFL club funding ladder revealed

As the AFL finalises the variable funding for 2023, The Age can reveal what the clubs have been told they will receive. Shedding light on the figures has prompted Collingwood president Jeff Browne to call on the AFL to do something about the funding chasm.

www.theage.com.au

The AFL has not yet finalised the salary cap amount for 2023, as negotiations continue with the players’ union (the AFL Players’ Association), which is why the base funding amount is estimated in a range between $10.5 million and $11 million. The clubs have been told to budget for a salary cap increase of 5 per cent. This will be funded in the base amount for all clubs.

Half of the 18 AFL clubs will receive less than the annual salary cap, which was $14.7 million in 2021.

AFL FUNDING 2023​

Figures are approximate

	Gold Coast	$25m
	GWS	$25m
	Brisbane Lions	$18m-$19m
	North Melbourne	$18m-$19m
	St Kilda	$18m-$19m
	Melbourne	$16m
	Western Bulldogs	$16m
	Port Adelaide	$16m
	Sydney	$16m
	Fremantle	$11.5m-$12.5m
	Carlton	$11.5m-$12.5m
	Adelaide	$11.5m-$12.5m
	Geelong	$11.5m-$12.5m
	Essendon	$11m-$11.5m
	Richmond	$10.5m-$11m
	Hawthorn	$10.5m-$11m
	Collingwood	$10.5m-$11m
	West Coast	$10.5m-$11m

Amounts include base of $10.5m-$11m

 

[Mighty Lions]

That would be massive. Would have turned our operating profit up to over 4 million last year if that was the case

The savings are massive as you say. The club has already number crunched the savings and the revenue gained. It's significant.

 

[Section 5]

The talented Lion tipped to go to “another level” in 2023

Who will help take Brisbane forward this year?

www.sen.com.au

 

[Dalions]

The talented Lion tipped to go to “another level” in 2023

Who will help take Brisbane forward this year?

www.sen.com.au

Interesting to hear that he had his appendix out last pre-season.
They kept that one pretty quiet, unless I missed it.

 

[briztoon]

Interesting to hear that he had his appendix out last pre-season.
They kept that one pretty quiet, unless I missed it.

They kept it quiet.

 

[Mighty Lions]

Interesting to hear that he had his appendix out last pre-season.
They kept that one pretty quiet, unless I missed it.

It was mentioned but no fuss.

 

[Saucery]

Not AFL but football none the less.

And this weeks award for best 'don't argue' on a media representative goes to......

Dallas Cowboys head coach Mike McCarthy!

 

[Dalions]

Not AFL but football non the less.

And this weeks award for best 'don't argue' on a media representative goes to......

Dallas Cowboys head coach Mike McCarthy!

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Dusty esk, with the high fend that never gets called.

 

[Ceebee]

Hi Peeps, I haven't been around for a while and this is most probably in the wrong thread, I'm not thinking too straight right now, so forgive me please...

...you see, I said goodbye to my darling Mr MM 10 days ago and his funeral was last friday. Its been a 6mths. He had his first indication something was

very wrong the night before mums funeral, was so sick he couldn't go to it. I buried mum then came home to Mr MM getting sicker by the day. He had

oesophical cancer which spread to his liver. Docs gave him 6 - 18mnths. Its been horrible to see him go down like he did. In the end he went suddenly

when his heart gave up with all the treatment. He was as weak as a kitten. He hated being like it. He collapsed at home and its something I''l never forget.

I now realise he went the best way, before he got to the long drawn out painful stage..

..one of the saddest parts was when he said to me only a couple of days before he died "I"m not going to see a Saints Grand Final am I" (that part was hard to write)

Im ok.Im getting there.... just little things get to me like writing that last bit. Watching Saints games will be sad, not sure how I'll go.... in fact not sitting side by side in our chairs watching our games will be tough..

My family have been fantastic, they've been coming and going since the night he died. None of them live in Melb. In fact my granddaughter and her family arrived on the night at 2.30am after a 5hr drive to get here..

Im spending Xmas at her place..

I just wanted to wish you all a happy and safe Xmas. Hold your loved ones tight.

So sorry to hear this sad news .I don't go on Big Footy much in the off season so have only just read it .
My apologies .

Yep cancer sucks and I am sorry you had to watch your loved one go through this .

Life is very random and none of us knows what lies ahead .
Please accept my condolences and a virtual hug .

Take care ❤

 

[Saucery]

Like a snow ball rolling down a hill, this will become an avalanche.

“There’s a lot that can be done by changing the rules to reduce the likelihood of significant head injury.”

‘Highest risk’: Sydney school bans footy over brain injury fears

‘Highest risk’: Sydney school bans footy over brain injury fears

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[M Malice]

Like a snow ball rolling down a hill, this will become an avalanche.

“There’s a lot that can be done by changing the rules to reduce the likelihood of significant head injury.”

‘Highest risk’: Sydney school bans footy over brain injury fears

‘Highest risk’: Sydney school bans footy over brain injury fears

www.foxsports.com.au

Is this going all too far? Life is a risk, you can't eliminate it. You take a risk when you hop in your car or ride your bike.

I know it is different for kids but if you are a sound of mind adult and you participate in an activity you should be aware of the risks and be cognizant of possible outcomes.

There is only so "safe" a sporting organisation can make its product, as long as they have adequate insurance for injured players possible medical costs.

 

[martinson]

Is this going all too far? Life is a risk, you can't eliminate it. You take a risk when you hop in your car or ride your bike.

I know it is different for kids but if you are a sound of mind adult and you participate in an activity you should be aware of the risks and be cognizant of possible outcomes.

There is only so "safe" a sporting organisation can make its product, as long as they have adequate insurance for injured players possible medical costs.

We all played footy day and night ,kick to kick on a concrete road to packs when I was a kid. No one got injured to my knowledge ,obviously they could've.

But I did know 3 schoolmates who suffered traumatic brain injuries growing up. One fell off his bike , another in a road accident and someone who tried shimmying up a large neighbour's gate for a lark and it fell on him.

Every sport is risky. I hardly know of any skier who hasn't done something to their knee over time , sometimes with disastrous outcomes. Don't even start on other alpine sports. Surfing is dangerous .I knew of one guy at uni who got killed by a direct hit bouncer playing bush cricket .

It doesn't mean we shouldn't mitigate risks . But there'll be nothing left to do and enjoy if we eliminate anything that's risky. I would've thought schoolgirls playing footy was fairly low in that category. From what I've seen of the younger girls who play for fun it's basically non contact/low contact.

 

[M Malice]

We all played footy day and night ,kick to kick on a concrete road to packs when I was a kid. No one got injured to my knowledge ,obviously they could've.

But I did know 3 schoolmates who suffered traumatic brain injuries growing up. One fell off his bike , another in a road accident and someone who tried shimmying up a large neighbour's gate for a lark and it fell on him.

Every sport is risky. I hardly know of any skier who hasn't done something to their knee over time , sometimes with disastrous outcomes. Don't even start on other alpine sports. Surfing is dangerous .I knew of one guy at uni who got killed by a direct hit bouncer playing bush cricket .

It doesn't mean we shouldn't mitigate risks . But there'll be nothing left to do and enjoy if we eliminate anything that's risky. I would've thought schoolgirls playing footy was fairly low in that category. From what I've seen of the younger girls who play for fun it's basically non contact/low contact.

A certain amount of risk is good for a child's development, climbing, throwing, jumping, balancing, acrobatics etc. it's how they learn physical limits and how to be safe.

 

[BuntonRules]

A certain amount of risk is good for a child's development, climbing, throwing, jumping, balancing, acrobatics etc. it's how they learn physical limits and how to be safe.

This. So many of the nanny state interpretations ignore this basic principal, when it is being proven essential

'I was very nervous': How daycare centres are exposing children to risky play

 

[martinson]

A certain amount of risk is good for a child's development, climbing, throwing, jumping, balancing, acrobatics etc. it's how they learn physical limits and how to be safe.

There were things that I did as a kid that I never let my children do.

With my grandchildren I'm petrified of anything they do. It's another level of responsibility. Even though I know it's nuts worrying about it.

Unfortunately these days anything that happens is blown up within hours as if it's happening all the time to most people.

With age you get a lot more perspective and hopefully a little wisdom but not any less anxiety.

Overall my kids' generation was mollycoddled and this one coming through is next level control ,rules and overbearing parents who want a say in everything. And grandparents who live longer to add another layer.

Course they can stay on their phones and computers till kingdom come . That's not dangerous is it.

 

[M Malice]

This. So many of the nanny state interpretations ignore this basic principal, when it is being proven essential

'I was very nervous': How daycare centres are exposing children to risky play

Terrific read, the release of dopamine result I hadn't thought about, would be fantastic for the kids self esteem and confidence.

There were things that I did as a kid that I never let my children do.

With my grandchildren I'm petrified of anything they do. It's another level of responsibility. Even though I know it's nuts worrying about it.

Unfortunately these days anything that happens is blown up within hours as if it's happening all the time to most people.

With age you get a lot more perspective and hopefully a little wisdom but not any less anxiety.

Overall my kids' generation was mollycoddled and this one coming through is next level control ,rules and overbearing parents who want a say in everything. And grandparents who live longer to add another layer.

Course they can stay on their phones and computers till kingdom come . That's not dangerous is it.

Spot on with how I feel with my grandchildren, I actually have nightmares about it. Not so much when they were really young as I was their primary day time care giver... I have thought about why I am so worried since that role became redundant and I think it is because I have no control any longer + maybe because of my own mortality/age.

With my kids I was good, can not remember worrying about them much at all, although that was well before Helicopter and Cotton Wool parenting became a big thing ie. last century.