Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt1

[cats_09]

As we are now getting into the season and we are starting to get a bit more serious with discussion, seems a suitable time to post the following as it's repeatedly shown itself to be a value reference tool in trade & draft discussion

And as per normal, thanks to Lore for putting this together - always a fantastic reference tool



And yes this post is now stickied - makes it easy to keep track of (can easily reverse this though if needed)

 

[cats_09]

Would he be RFA or UFA? Perhaps offer him a 3 year contract.get a feel for what he is thinking

If Footywire is on the money (and I know at times their player contract status info can be a little off), then next year Parfitt is one of 6 RFAs on our list - Dangerfield is another RFA, would he be one of the first 2 x RFAs?

Interestingly, we only have 4 UFAs next session

 

[Turbocat]

We will reset at the end of this year. Some of the older guys will be encouraged to retire or to move to the club of their choice in order to create opportunities for the next gen. Scott did it with Stevie, Chappy, Stokes and Kelly and we'll do it again with some of the current guys. We aren't going to lose the likes of Neale just so Hawk can play another 15 games.

Unless the team falls away.. I cant see anything to drastic happening. Of course if we did fall away we may see several all happy to pull the pin. For the moment ... Time is a flat circle.. we will do what we have done ... till we are not doing it anymore




(one of the greatest TV shows ever)

 

[Turbocat]

If Footywire is on the money (and I know at times their player contract status info can be a little off), then next year Parfitt is one of 6 RFAs on our list - Dangerfield is another RFA, would he be one of the first 2 x RFAs?

Interestingly, we only have 4 UFAs next session

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I think Footywire tends to treat all 8 year players as RFA... as shown by Zac Guthrie. No way is he in our top 25%.

 

[Turbocat]

Dangerfield is another RFA, would he be one of the first 2 x RFAs?

Something dodgy when he is not a full FA ... not that he is going anywhere. Franklin ..Maybe?

 

[cats_09]

I think Footywire tends to treat all 8 year players as RFA... as shown by Zac Guthrie. No way is he in our top 25%.

I think you're right in regards to that - I had a look through the other teams for next year and there's a few eyebrow raising RFAs

Wondering where a better list would be found

 

[Pure_Ownage]

If Footywire is on the money (and I know at times their player contract status info can be a little off), then next year Parfitt is one of 6 RFAs on our list - Dangerfield is another RFA, would he be one of the first 2 x RFAs?

Interestingly, we only have 4 UFAs next session

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Im not sure how accurate that list is given bowes is contracted to 2026 and no way is zuthrie an RFA and not a UFA. Also im pretty sure stengle is a UFA for life.

 

[cats_09]

Im not sure how accurate that list is given bowes is contracted to 2026 and no way is zuthrie an RFA and not a UFA. Also im pretty sure stengle is a UFA for life.

No doubt FW has its issues, but is one of the few easily accessible websites that tries to list contract status

I wonder if it's a programming issue where it used to just be, "contracted" or "out of contract" but with the inclusion of FA it's an added complexity that it hasn't fully worked out. What I mean is that when certain data is added, that it auto completes other fields - so for contracts it defaults to the following:

• 1 -> 7 years & out of contract = "Non-Free Agent"
• 8 & 9 years = "Restricted Free Agent"
• 10+ years = "Unrestricted Free Agent"

Looking at contract info on FW, it looks more formula driven rather than individual input, especially for FA status

 

[Turbocat]

No doubt FW has its issues, but is one of the few easily accessible websites that tries to list contract status

I wonder if it's a programming issue where it used to just be, "contracted" or "out of contract" but with the inclusion of FA it's an added complexity that it hasn't fully worked out. What I mean is that when certain data is added, that it auto completes other fields - so for contracts it defaults to the following:

• 1 -> 7 years & out of contract = "Non-Free Agent"
• 8 & 9 years = "Restricted Free Agent"
• 10+ years = "Unrestricted Free Agent"

Looking at contract info on FW, it looks more formula driven rather than individual input, especially for FA status

Bit hard to be exact without public declaration of wages till the afl declare FA status.... but some like zacG would be insane to be anything other than UFA. Parfitt ...I think its a fair bet he might be in our best 11 players in pay on his last year of contract.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

No doubt FW has its issues, but is one of the few easily accessible websites that tries to list contract status

I wonder if it's a programming issue where it used to just be, "contracted" or "out of contract" but with the inclusion of FA it's an added complexity that it hasn't fully worked out. What I mean is that when certain data is added, that it auto completes other fields - so for contracts it defaults to the following:

• 1 -> 7 years & out of contract = "Non-Free Agent"
• 8 & 9 years = "Restricted Free Agent"
• 10+ years = "Unrestricted Free Agent"

Looking at contract info on FW, it looks more formula driven rather than individual input, especially for FA status

Yeah i think it uses auto formulas this is why it has guys like stengle ooc (as normally a 'draftee' is ooc after 2 years whereas he is a UFA).

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Whats your thinking late R1 early R2. Id say band3 would be late R2 ..so yes id agree. ... but I wonder if we would trade him for a R2... unless we feel it gives us a pick in a heavy draft and cap room.

Yeah look mids are always worth less than kpp but parfitt is a good player and would be best 22 at most clubs. I would think a pick in the mid 20s in a trade would be feasible and i reckon we would get less in compo next year.

Unless the team falls away.. I cant see anything to drastic happening. Of course if we did fall away we may see several all happy to pull the pin. For the moment ... Time is a flat circle.. we will do what we have done ... till we are not doing it anymore




(one of the greatest TV shows ever)

I think some guys will choose to go on their own but we may push a couple but it will be ones we have replacements for. Eg rohan with the 2 ollies (and clubs will come for dempsey),menegola probably goes as we have lots of wing options. Ditto tuohy with us having a logjam in defence. I think they will let hawk go on if he wants to but i think he might call it. They are probably also happy for one of stanley or ceglar to go on given we are thin for rucks. While i know we can trade for picks (parf, sav etc) the fact that we only have 1 pick inside 80 means we might not push too many vets unless we have incoming free agents (as otherwise we are replacing them with picks at the end of the draft).

 

[Pure_Ownage]

It really depends on how he looks on our list and in our side. Fringe or best 22. At this stage, as usual, this years draft is better than the last.. so picks will be held tight. He is 1 year away from getting him for nothing... so unless he is acknowledged as a difference maker , I doubt its R1 and anything after that is dice roll on value. Sort of like we lost Prismall , got P32 and picked Motlop. We lost Mumford, got P28 and picked Duncan.

Menegola is a FA so he gos and we get zero (imo)

We will get some compo for menegola..probably band 5 (r3) unless we bring in another FA then zero.

 

[D BRIDGE]

We will get some compo for menegola..probably band 5 (r3) unless we bring in another FA then zero.

Menners is a weird one... I just felt like he had some trade value a couple of years back and wanted him in the Cameron trade to save a good draft pick.

He seems to have a good year and then always follow it up with a bad one due to having a bad preseason... feels like he is either an asset or a liability each year (AA squad level a couple of times followed up by being a fringe player).

Anyway I thought he might have looked elsewhere last trade period as he was right on the edge of selection and we were bringing in new mids + he was getting older.

Maybe he was just happy to play out his contract and reassess when he was a FA... but if he has a poor year, he will be worth very little.

Very interesting year for him... most of us just assume others will naturally progress and go past him... He really must be backing himself in or there was no interest last year.

It just seems like something wasn't adding up to me with him... As far as Sav staying and Stephens moving on, it all added up... Menners didn't add up, but he isn't a huge piece in the puzzle anyway and must just be ok playing out his contract here.

 

[catstragic]

If you were a Recruitment manger at another side .... which player would you target at Geelong? Which player do you see as most likely to be tempted to move at years end? We look to have so much depth that several players will struggle for chances.


Id say If I was Brisbane RM .... Id know Brisbane have a good history of attacking Geelong fringe players .... and Id be watching Esava very closely. Issues with their KPD, so I be trying to tempt Sav to move North.


and several clubs could do worse than talk to Sam Menegola.

I'd be targeting Dempsey and Neale. I think Menegola would go in a hearbeat if offered a better contract, but unsure of his currency given age and recent exposed form.

 

[Turbocat]

We will get some compo for menegola..probably band 5 (r3) unless we bring in another FA then zero.

A 31 year old player who is not best 22? Is there an example of anyone else receiving comp for a player like that.?

A couple of examples I found were .. Xavier Ellis at 25 ..no comp. I think Matt White was something like pick 67 as 26 year old


I cant believe we would receive anything but I hope you are correct.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Menners is a weird one... I just felt like he had some trade value a couple of years back and wanted him in the Cameron trade to save a good draft pick.

He seems to have a good year and then always follow it up with a bad one due to having a bad preseason... feels like he is either an asset or a liability each year (AA squad level a couple of times followed up by being a fringe player).

Anyway I thought he might have looked elsewhere last trade period as he was right on the edge of selection and we were bringing in new mids + he was getting older.

Maybe he was just happy to play out his contract and reassess when he was a FA... but if he has a poor year, he will be worth very little.

Very interesting year for him... most of us just assume others will naturally progress and go past him... He really must be backing himself in or there was no interest last year.

It just seems like something wasn't adding up to me with him... As far as Sav staying and Stephens moving on, it all added up... Menners didn't add up, but he isn't a huge piece in the puzzle anyway and must just be ok playing out his contract here.

To be fair i dont think menners ever would have agreed to go to gws nor did they have the cap room for him so i doubt it was an option. But i know what you mean if we had traded him 2 years ago we would have got close to a late r1/early r2 for him whereas now we will get a lot less. But thats in hindsight-at the time we were (and are) in the window, he was a valuable piece in the 22, we didnt know how good holmes was yet and we didnt have the depth we do now.
On his form look you can write off last year as he had an ongoing issue with the knee and never got it right but whenever he has been fit he has put up very good numbers and given us great ROI.

I too was surprised he didnt move in october but with a baby due it may well be that him and his wife didnt want to move willy nilly and wanted more time to plan it. Good news is he is smart and will know that at his age he could be out of afl in 2024 so he will be desperate to perform flat out well this year so he can get another contract either with us or another club.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

A 31 year old player who is not best 22? Is there an example of anyone else receiving comp for a player like that.?

A couple of examples I found were .. Xavier Ellis at 25 ..no comp. I think Matt White was something like pick 67 as 26 year old


I cant believe we would receive anything but I hope you are correct.

I mean the hawks got band 5 for smith at 32 (i know he was a better player than sam but still) and theres a few other players like that. Obviously the age will count against him in the formula but if someone offers him 2-3 years on a good wage (our best chance is if a bottoming club with cap space offers him good $) then id say it should sneak in for band 5.

 

[Turbocat]

I mean the hawks got band 5 for smith at 32 (i know he was a better player than sam but still) and theres a few other players like that. Obviously the age will count against him in the formula but if someone offers him 2-3 years on a good wage (our best chance is if a bottoming club with cap space offers him good $) then id say it should sneak in for band 5.

Id be happy to see you being correct. Smith played at higher standard ..although he did come off his worst ever season in games played ..10

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

Not huge names but I could see clubs offering roles for Menegola, O’Connor, Kolo and Parfitt. They could all be handy players to a finals team needing an extra piece to their puzzle.

 

[Turbocat]

Not huge names but I could see clubs offering roles for Menegola, O’Connor, Kolo and Parfitt. They could all be handy players to a finals team needing an extra piece to their puzzle.

MOC, Kolo and Parfitt are now flag players. If one of them was dispassionate , they probably should look at it and say a long lucrative contract elsewhere should be considered. ..

Someone like Parfitt is hard to value . It would be thought provoking if we had a push trade comp. Ideally if we lost him and gained a young tall from it , then considering our midfield depth now, we probably are almost better off.... yet would it really surprise if he had a break out year. He should be at his best. 25 and 110 plus games.

Maybe SM may see the writing on the wall. He is a little different to the other three. If someone offered him a good contract he would have to consider it. I cant see us offerening much more than a depth contract.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

MOC, Kolo and Parfitt are now flag players. If one of them was dispassionate , they probably should look at it and say a long lucrative contract elsewhere should be considered. ..

Someone like Parfitt is hard to value . It would be thought provoking if we had a push trade comp. Ideally if we lost him and gained a young tall from it , then considering our midfield depth now, we probably are almost better off.... yet would it really surprise if he had a brake out year. He should be at his best. 25 and 110 plus games.

Maybe SM may see the writing on the wall. He is a little different to the other three. If someone offered him a good contract he would have to consider it. I cant see us offerening much more than a depth contract.

Parfitt could go either way. He has always been best 22 and it was only his injury and the rise of atkins that pushed him out. If he gets back to his best he might be best 22 and other mids miss out. Or it could go the other way and he becomes 24-26 on the list in which case a trade is likely. But he will be on our list or someone elses he will have suitors.

As i posted in the other thread menners will be motivated to perform because otherwise he might be off a list in 2024. At his age we will probably only offer him a 1year deal at best-if another club offers him 2 or 3 he probably goes (but again depends on where him and his wife want to live he could just as easily retire).

Moc is loved culturally but could well miss the 23 and therefore be a trade target elsewhere..whether he wants gametime or he would be happy to just stay here as depth is the thing.

Kolos coming to the age (again another one who is an FA in 2024) where i wouldnt push him out the door unless we find another kpd (we are thin there) but in recognition of service if he gets offered a multi year deal elsewhere i wouldnt match it and id wish him well (see menegola).

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

Parfitt could go either way. He has always been best 22 and it was only his injury and the rise of atkins that pushed him out. If he gets back to his best he might be best 22 and other mids miss out. Or it could go the other way and he becomes 24-26 on the list in which case a trade is likely. But he will be on our list or someone elses he will have suitors.

As i posted in the other thread menners will be motivated to perform because otherwise he might be off a list in 2024. At his age we will probably only offer him a 1year deal at best-if another club offers him 2 or 3 he probably goes (but again depends on where him and his wife want to live he could just as easily retire).

Moc is loved culturally but could well miss the 23 and therefore be a trade target elsewhere..whether he wants gametime or he would be happy to just stay here as depth is the thing.

Kolos coming to the age (again another one who is an FA in 2024) where i wouldnt push him out the door unless we find another kpd (we are thin there) but in recognition of service if he gets offered a multi year deal elsewhere i wouldnt match it and id wish him well (see menegola).

They’ve all played some good roles in the team. But they haven’t made themselves irreplaceable and Kolo and O’Connor will struggle to find a spot.
The players that have come this off season plus the existing younger players makes it hard for those players who are not established in the 22.
All 4 of them are players with deficiencies but can also play an important role.

 

[bombersboy]

We will reset at the end of this year. Some of the older guys will be encouraged to retire or to move to the club of their choice in order to create opportunities for the next gen. Scott did it with Stevie, Chappy, Stokes and Kelly and we'll do it again with some of the current guys. We aren't going to lose the likes of Neale just so Hawk can play another 15 games.

And if Hawkins has another year like last year even at 36 we will not push him out the door to play Neale who may still be an unproven quantity at the end of the year if Hawkins wants to go on. Plus there is no way Hawkins plays anywhere else but with the Cats. It is a bit of a catch 22.

 

[supahoops]

I was always doubtful of Kolo but he was immense in September. O’Connor and Parfitt supremely underrated. Those three going nowhere hopefully.

 

[Turbocat]

Parfitt could go either way. He has always been best 22 and it was only his injury and the rise of atkins that pushed him out. If he gets back to his best he might be best 22 and other mids miss out. Or it could go the other way and he becomes 24-26 on the list in which case a trade is likely. But he will be on our list or someone elses he will have suitors.

As i posted in the other thread menners will be motivated to perform because otherwise he might be off a list in 2024. At his age we will probably only offer him a 1year deal at best-if another club offers him 2 or 3 he probably goes (but again depends on where him and his wife want to live he could just as easily retire).

Moc is loved culturally but could well miss the 23 and therefore be a trade target elsewhere..whether he wants gametime or he would be happy to just stay here as depth is the thing.

Kolos coming to the age (again another one who is an FA in 2024) where i wouldnt push him out the door unless we find another kpd (we are thin there) but in recognition of service if he gets offered a multi year deal elsewhere i wouldnt match it and id wish him well (see menegola).

Very true. Parfitt will be on a list somewhere

In the end... maybe i am a little naive but I trust the club to do the right thing most of the time. Maybe its due to the last 25 years or so, and just like with Hopper...pick the right time match , and the right time to wish them all the best for their future projects.

 

[Turbocat]

Interesting to watch this . "Knightmare" has a bit of humble pie to eat about his 2022 predictions ... with multiple players who he picked as top10 this time last year..not being drafted. One player , Broadbent , was one that was talked about on this forum a bit.

He make s a good point on having to re rate his criteria for talls. I don't feel he has been on the mark for a while ...