Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt1

[cats_09]

As we are now getting into the season and we are starting to get a bit more serious with discussion, seems a suitable time to post the following as it's repeatedly shown itself to be a value reference tool in trade & draft discussion

And as per normal, thanks to Lore for putting this together - always a fantastic reference tool



And yes this post is now stickied - makes it easy to keep track of (can easily reverse this though if needed)

 

[calder_daddy]

Interesting to watch this . "Knightmare" has a bit of humble pie to eat about his 2022 predictions ... with multiple players who he picked as top10 this time last year..not being drafted. One player , Broadbent , was one that was talked about on this forum a bit.

He make s a good point on having to re rate his criteria for talls. I don't feel he has been on the mark for a while ...

Very Minor I know but when he had Ollie Henry rated around Pick 50 it lost me

 

[Hamingja]

We will reset at the end of this year. Some of the older guys will be encouraged to retire or to move to the club of their choice in order to create opportunities for the next gen. Scott did it with Stevie, Chappy, Stokes and Kelly and we'll do it again with some of the current guys. We aren't going to lose the likes of Neale just so Hawk can play another 15 games.

We are not going to retire the AA captain to give Neale a game, get a grip. 2023 may well end up being his last year but it will be 100% Hawk's choice.

In the case of SJ and Chappy there were other factors at play e.g contract lengths but ultimately moving them on to play George Burbury and Jackson Sheringham was a **** up as far as onfield output goes.

 

[Turbocat]

Very Minor I know but when he had Ollie Henry rated around Pick 50 it lost me

I give credit to all those who watch the juniors and are willing to put their opinions out there but there comes a point if your opinion is too far from the acknowledged then you are being belligerent rather than insightful. I cant say I saw too many saying OH was that late.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

We are not going to retire the AA captain to give Neale a game, get a grip. 2023 may well end up being his last year but it will be 100% Hawk's choice.

In the case of SJ and Chappy there were other factors at play e.g contract lengths but ultimately moving them on to play George Burbury and Jackson Sheringham was a **** up as far as onfield output goes.

I agree on hawk i just think he will call it on his own this year. But i agree hawk is too good and too structurally critical to push.
But guys like rohan/menners/tuohy etc arent as structurally critical and they will be the ones that kindly get pushed to retire as we reset.
On the other stuff i didnt agree with all those decisions at the time (for example moving pods on when we didnt have a quality next kpf to come in we only had josh walker, sj i also agree with you) but in general you need to make some of those decisions to ensure you regenerate year on year and keep playing finals which is our stated aim.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I give credit to all those who watch the juniors and are willing to put their opinions out there but there comes a point if your opinion is too far from the acknowledged then you are being belligerent rather than insightful. I cant say I saw too many saying OH was that late.

To be fair third tall fwds (because interchange rotation caps have affected them and 2nd rucks) tend to slip to late/rookie a lot thesedays the data backs that up. What i feel KM missed though is how good henry is athletically which gives him more scope to play other positions than most 3rd talls have.

 

[Warhorse]

Knightmare was one of the few backing Geelong in when grabbing oldies from other clubs.

 

[Turbocat]

To be fair third tall fwds (because interchange rotation caps have affected them and 2nd rucks) tend to slip to late/rookie a lot thesedays the data backs that up. What i feel KM missed though is how good henry is athletically which gives him more scope to play other positions than most 3rd talls have.

My thought was someone who was rated early like Broadbent missing...maybe worth following this year. There were several rated R1 that were not drafted in 22

I suspect due to their rarity one tends to over rate talls...but clubs realise that that the development time is usually 3 years plus... and thats a considerable risk in a more fluid market

 

[Hamingja]

I agree on hawk i just think he will call it on his own this year. But i agree hawk is too good and too structurally critical to push.
But guys like rohan/menners/tuohy etc arent as structurally critical and they will be the ones that kindly get pushed to retire as we reset.
On the other stuff i didnt agree with all those decisions at the time (for example moving pods on when we didnt have a quality next kpf to come in we only had josh walker, sj i also agree with you) but in general you need to make some of those decisions to ensure you regenerate year on year and keep playing finals which is our stated aim.

Natural attrition will be enough with the older players, I don't think we will have to force too many. We've traded out picks from this year for the players taken last year so we won't have a heap of list changes. The only older player that I think we will have to make a call on is Rohan as he will be directly effected by Henry coming in.

 

[Turbocat]

Natural attrition will be enough with the older players, I don't think we will have to force too many. We've traded out picks from this year for the players taken last year so we won't have a heap of list changes. The only older player that I think we will have to make a call on is Rohan as he will be directly effected by Henry coming in.

I was a little concerned 12 months ago...now a flag ..and the players we have brought in .. its just a matter wash and rinse and eventually the younger newer guys will just become part of the side. Just as Zac Guth did...we probably quicker than him. The talented younger players will get given chances. It will make it hard for some..there is only so many spots.

The thing with Rohan is he is still near at at his best athletically.. still has speed and kick distance... and on last years performance .. one might see him play with a confident looseness.
..but i agree someone will find themselves on the banana peel

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Natural attrition will be enough with the older players, I don't think we will have to force too many. We've traded out picks from this year for the players taken last year so we won't have a heap of list changes. The only older player that I think we will have to make a call on is Rohan as he will be directly effected by Henry coming in.

I agree if henry has a very good year and/or if dempsey (who we will no doubt upgrade at years end with our lack of picks) gets a lot of interest from other clubs then it will force us to push rohan.
Menegola will have a similar issue with our mid depth and will probably go to another club if he can get a contract.
Guys like tuohy might call it now unless they are willing to risk being in the vfl next year.
I agree most guys will naturally retire on their own and i doubt more than a couple will need to be pushed.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I was a little concerned 12 months ago...now a flag ..and the players we have brought in .. its just a matter wash and rinse and eventually the younger newer guys will just become part of the side. Just as Zac Guth did...we probably quicker than him. The talented younger players will get given chances. It will make it hard for some..there is only so many spots.

The thing with Rohan is he is still near at at his best athletically.. still has speed and kick distance... and on last years performance .. one might see him play with a confident looseness.
..but i agree someone will find themselves on the banana peel

Rohan is still in good form but you have cameron and the smalls (in a post hawk world) and neale (if he stays) and the 2 ollies are high end talent that play the same position as rohan so i think the squeeze will come.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

Rohan is still in good form but you have cameron and the smalls (in a post hawk world) and neale (if he stays) and the 2 ollies are high end talent that play the same position as rohan so i think the squeeze will come.

I think the Rohan role will become redundant once he hangs up the boots.
He is so good at combining speed and ferocity that he’s valued well above his 7 or so possessions and goal a game or thereabouts. His aerial work is also very important but we are more than a F50 pressure side now.

We expect our forwards to cover the whole field and not stay at home to exert pressure, you could see him working further up the ground late last season but it’s not his one wood.
Guys like Ollie H and Ollie D will play that position and be more like Close and Miers - endurance freaks who work up and back constantly and are threats when forward.

 

[Turbocat]

Rohan is still in good form but you have cameron and the smalls (in a post hawk world) and neale (if he stays) and the 2 ollies are high end talent that play the same position as rohan so i think the squeeze will come.

The squeeze will come for several including Rohan but what Rohan bring I can see them persisting with him some how. Be a heck of 23rd player.

With all these mature ..it might only take an injury at the wrong time... and we do know Rohan has niot been the most robust player

 

[Stab Pass]

We are not going to retire the AA captain to give Neale a game, get a grip. 2023 may well end up being his last year but it will be 100% Hawk's choice.

In the case of SJ and Chappy there were other factors at play e.g contract lengths but ultimately moving them on to play George Burbury and Jackson Sheringham was a **** up as far as onfield output goes.

If at the end of this year we haven't won another flag and there is a chance we lose Neale due to lack of opportunity then yes Hawk will get encouraged to retire. No point losing his potential replacement for Hawk to go around in 2024.

 

[bombersboy]

If at the end of this year we haven't won another flag and there is a chance we lose Neale due to lack of opportunity then yes Hawk will get encouraged to retire. No point losing his potential replacement for Hawk to go around in 2024.

Hawkins goes out on his own terms. A flag certainly does not decide if he goes on or not. He has averaged 56 goals a year for the last 11 years and will likely do it again this year. Add onto that probably 20-30 goal assists per year,

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Hawkins goes out on his own terms. A flag certainly does not decide if he goes on or not. He has averaged 56 goals a year for the last 11 years and will likely do it again this year. Add onto that probably 20-30 goal assists per year,

I agree with that. We will still fight very hard to retain neale also though

 

[bombersboy]

I agree with that. We will still fight very hard to retain neale also though

Agree

 

[Turbocat]

If at the end of this year we haven't won another flag and there is a chance we lose Neale due to lack of opportunity then yes Hawk will get encouraged to retire. No point losing his potential replacement for Hawk to go around in 2024.

I don't think its simple as that. For the club to do what your saying , Neale would have to played some serious games , then draw significant attention from another club and also be the type that was no longer willing to wait. He would need to be becoming impatient.There are multiple players on our list that Neale could reference as a reason to be patient.

The clips I have seen ..he seems to truely be enjoying himself at Geelong but on field will be the determining factor. Hawkins is the oldest player on our list. If not this year , its very very soon but lets not put the crt before the horse. As it stands Neale is no certainty to be Hawks replacement.

Before we go throwing out a mature but performing player ..lets see Neale demand selection. If he stands out in the VFL , we will find a way to select him... one could see that by two games he has been selected for so far.

I agree with that. We will still fight very hard to retain neale also though

Yes ... and to some degree I feel we may be lucky that Freo have gone hard at Jackson.. and West Coast probably have other needs as well... and are not at their traditionally strong location atm.

I like Neale but i think that some are placing too much credence on what he has done so far. He could be a player but he could be like several other potential players. That we only have him is a flaw in our profile. Lets hope Foster shows similar potential and we have options.

 

[CatRiot]

Neale turning into the club larrikin, although I reckon Foster will challenge in that department soon enough...

Don't mind it, as long as they bang goals at the end of the day.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Neale turning into the club larrikin, although I reckon Foster will challenge in that department soon enough...

Don't mind it, as long as they bang goals at the end of the day.

I'm with you. They're young men, it's good to see that we allow them to be just that. We expect these kids to have the personality of a grizzled CEO at age 18. It shouldn't be that way (Unless you're Tanner Bruhn, of course)

In 5 years they'll look back and think "What on earth was I doing?", But that's not important right now.

As you say, if they're playing good footy and not hurting anybody, then they can do whatever they want.

 

[Turbocat]

Keeping an eye on a potential Rookie B

Clubs circle 211cm teen who chose basketball over footy

Western Australian Alex Condon remains in the sights of several AFL clubs despite setting his sights on the NBA

www.afl.com.au

Long term thing ...probably only a chance for a Rookie B at the end of 2024 ... so one of those Blitz type situations.

 

[Turbocat]

I'm with you. They're young men, it's good to see that we allow them to be just that. We expect these kids to have the personality of a grizzled CEO at age 18. It shouldn't be that way (Unless you're Tanner Bruhn, of course)

In 5 years they'll look back and think "What on earth was I doing?", But that's not important right now.

As you say, if they're playing good footy and not hurting anybody, then they can do whatever they want.

yep.

Its band width thing imo. In environment of risk takers , one should expect a certain level of passive non adherence to the norm... to a point. What we are seeing in Neale and perhaps Foster (to my mind) is positive. Its team bonding and creates a positive atmosphere..as long as he/they are not being asked to do something that is uncomfortable. To be that outward only being at the club as minor players would not be something id be happy to do... but they are their own personalties. As long as it enhances the club then all good.

One of the reasons Geelong draws players has been the blend of lifestyle and serious play... and being the reigning premier one would be hard to argue that what we are doing is poor.

 

[Turbocat]

Interesting situation over at Port with their ruck situation. Scott Lycett

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Scott Lycett

Age

32

Ht

203cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.6

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

6.3

4star

CL

2.6

4star

HO

19.0

5star

D

11.3

3star

K

5.7

2star

HB

5.7

3star

CL

4.2

5star

HO

24.7

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

3.6

2star

HB

4.6

4star

CL

0.4

3star

HO

5.0

5star

30 yo and 132 games , Sam Hayes 23 and 7 games and Brynn Teakle 23 and 2 games.
All out of contract at years end and a young promising kid that is 20

One would think that at years end that situation could not persist. ..and we seem to think that Neale would draw attention, but Port have a 23 year old WA player that is demanding selection. He would probably draw more attention if he plays as Ports number 1 ruck.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/port-adelaide-intraclub-scott-lycett-demoted-to-weaker-side-as-jason-hornefrancis-junior-rioli-impress/news-story/08a9062973a0cc25318748200c0bf8db

Is a player with less than two AFL games under his belt set to be Port Adelaide’s ruck come Round 1?

Brynn Teakle played two games for the Power in 2022, with his first coming just over two weeks after he was selected with the eighth pick in the mid-season draft. A shoulder injury cut his debut against Sydney short, but Teakle did return to play Richmond in Round 21. And the 23-year-old Western Australian could be set to quickly add to this total.

While West Coast premiership winner and the Power’s first choice ruck over the last couple of years Scott Lycett

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Scott Lycett

Age

32

Ht

203cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.6

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

6.3

4star

CL

2.6

4star

HO

19.0

5star

D

11.3

3star

K

5.7

2star

HB

5.7

3star

CL

4.2

5star

HO

24.7

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

3.6

2star

HB

4.6

4star

CL

0.4

3star

HO

5.0

5star

is back fit after a dislocated shoulder and then a subsequent infection last year, it was Teakle who was named as the lead ruck for the black team made up of the probables. Lycett led the ruck for the white side and looking noticeably slimmed down, he did his best to try and ensure that Teakle’s stint as the first-choice ruck is a short one, getting the better of him at hit-outs and moving around the ground well.

Scott Lycett

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Scott Lycett

Age

32

Ht

203cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.6

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

6.3

4star

CL

2.6

4star

HO

19.0

5star

D

11.3

3star

K

5.7

2star

HB

5.7

3star

CL

4.2

5star

HO

24.7

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

3.6

2star

HB

4.6

4star

CL

0.4

3star

HO

5.0

5star

was demoted to the weaker side before swapping with Brynn Teakle (right). Picture: Mark Brake/Getty Images


Teakle grew into the game, and showed some composed kicking and an ability to move well around the ground. The two were swapped between the two sides for the final quarters and this looks to be the positional battle to watch when it comes to the Power this pre-season.

Earlier this week Power senior coach Ken Hinkley foreshadowed more ruck time for spearhead Charlie Dixon

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Charlie Dixon

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.7

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.6

5star

D

10.5

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.5

2star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.5

2star

G

2.5

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.8

4star

in an interview with News Corp and the key forward was going into the ruck for the black team when Teakle was having a spell.

It might not happen this season but keep an eye on Dante Visentini with the young tall impressing with two first-half goals for the whites. He impressed so much that he was shifted to the black side after halftime and looms as one to watch.

 

[CatRiot]

Gary and Jordan Ablett expecting third child, share news on Levi’s fourth birthday

‘Birthday boy wants to share a gift’: Abletts’ heartwarming news

www.foxsports.com.au

Hopefully a son.

And we can cure Levi and make him a superstar of the game. Бог помогни детето.

 

[Turbocat]

Listening to Axe getting interviewed , the depth of our list is going to make selection very difficult... and perhaps attracting other players to our side. Be a vey strong ego who would think they are an auto selection at Geelong atm.I doubt Parish would be an auto selection for example.

Having Hawkins, Neale and Conway out of preseason games probably shows our weakest link imo.