Autopsy 2023 Rd 7 Charlie's Blues beat Eagles by a tonne

Who played well vs the Eagles in Round 7

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Gethelred said:
Okay.

Some would say that, as a supporter, you cannot take much from a game like this, in which you were so dominant. I am not one of those people; it is only on days like this that you see what your system looks like when things are going completely your way, when you've blown it open. This is the coaches' and the players' ideal, this is what the system should look like operating at full capacity; this is an opportunity for us to see what that looks like and analyse it on that basis.

And on that basis, you can clearly see what Voss has done differently to last year. We are much - MUCH - better organised behind the ball. When we spread, we spread wide and look to split the defense or move sideways multiple times, only going and going fast when it suits us to do it; this juxtaposed to going as quickly as we can at all times. Certain players are given a licence to pull off inboard kicks - Cerra, Gov, Weitering, Newman, Cincotta, Acres, Jack - where others - Doc, Fish, Ed, Cripps, Hewitt - aren't. A key forward kicks a bag, with the other either blocking or dragging players away. The defenders are well organised, holding their positions with the wingers holding wide, forming almost a wedge together when we don't have the ball.

In a stoppage situation, we rely on Cripps or Hewitt getting the ball first with Pittonett (not TDK) palming the ball down to where they will be not where they are. They then handpass forward, and either go or handpass backwards after drawing the player to Doc or Cerra.

Honey/Owies' (their roles are identical) role is hit up and pressure; no ******* wonder they don't get overmuch of the ball. Fish is high half forward, and Durdin is a classic defensive forward flanker, ranging all the way from half back to deep fifty.

The most important component of last night's win - to my mind - is that it was as defensively sound as it was offensively. We had most of the ball and time in possession, yet laid 83 tackles. Beat them in pressure acts. Kept them to 28 points for most of the night, and 44 for the game.

The result should not be overestimated, but at least now we have a clear blueprint of what the gameplan is meant to look like.
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Shit opposition of course, but one of the most professional performances from a Carlton team I can remember
 

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Great result. It's been a while since I have watched one of our games without a defibrillator on stand-by.

Was great to see Cincotta and Kemp play great games. Kemp made a few mistakes but will be better for the experience. I think it's a learning experience for Vossy and the selection committee that you got to reward these young blokes and give them a crack. I hope Dow is the next cab off the rank to be rewarded and come in and have an influence.

Still concern on a few blokes. Fisher could be the next to face the chopping block.
 
Elmer_Judd said:
No one should dropped from a 108 point win, esp Josh Honey, keep playing him and letting build his confidence, I think we may have a player there (despite the negative nellies) and he deserves a decent block of games at AFL level.
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Does he though?
 
It was good for a change to watch a game and not get angry.
We did what we had to do, good to see we played on and moved the ball quickly.
Just love Charlie, I feared we would never see the best of him again after his knee injury.
Midfield played well and it was a good team effort.
We have a big test this week.
 
Elmer_Judd said:
No one should dropped from a 108 point win, esp Josh Honey, keep playing him and letting build his confidence, I think we may have a player there (despite the negative nellies) and he deserves a decent block of games at AFL level.
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He's had a decent block now
And he's still not offering enough
 

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I actually thought Honey looked more promising. Saw some bursts of acceleration and a good leap we haven't seen him show at AFL level for a while, for whatever reason.
 
Gethelred said:
Okay.

Some would say that, as a supporter, you cannot take much from a game like this, in which you were so dominant. I am not one of those people; it is only on days like this that you see what your system looks like when things are going completely your way, when you've blown it open. This is the coaches' and the players' ideal, this is what the system should look like operating at full capacity; this is an opportunity for us to see what that looks like and analyse it on that basis.

And on that basis, you can clearly see what Voss has done differently to last year. We are much - MUCH - better organised behind the ball. When we spread, we spread wide and look to split the defense or move sideways multiple times, only going and going fast when it suits us to do it; this juxtaposed to going as quickly as we can at all times, only to run out of steam due to fatigue. Certain players are given a licence to pull off inboard kicks - Cerra, Gov, Weitering, Newman, Cincotta, Acres, Jack - where others - Doc, Fish, Ed, Cripps, Hewitt - aren't. A key forward kicks a bag, with the other either blocking or dragging players away. The defenders are well organised, holding their positions with the wingers holding wide, forming almost a wedge together when we don't have the ball.

In a stoppage situation, we rely on Cripps or Hewitt getting the ball first with Pittonett (not TDK) palming the ball down to where they will be not where they are. They then handpass forward, and either go or handpass backwards after drawing the player to Doc or Cerra.

Honey/Owies' (their roles are identical) role is hit up and pressure; no ******* wonder they don't get overmuch of the ball. Fish is high half forward, and Durdin is a classic defensive forward flanker, ranging all the way from half back to deep fifty.

The most important component of last night's win - to my mind - is that it was as defensively sound as it was offensively. We had most of the ball and time in possession, yet laid 83 tackles. Beat them in pressure acts. Kept them to 28 points for most of the night, and 44 for the game.

The result should not be overestimated, but at least now we have a clear blueprint of what the gameplan is meant to look like.
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Superb post. We saw how it can work. We probably can't untangle the twine of system, intent and execution from last week to this week, but suffice it to say that the sum of the parts was much greater!

I was encouraged by the signs that we are starting to do the little things that the really good clubs do. We don't need to become more prolific at kicking difficult goals - we go toe-to-toe with any team in the competition for those. We fall down because we don't kick enough of the simple goals that Geelong (for example) routinely create for Hawkins, Cameron and Rohan on the lead and uncontested, well inside 50. Last night, I saw Durdin blocking and bodying Charlie's opponent - simple things done well - Charlie marks uncontested. More please!

(Would be interesting in the marks inside-50 records, too. When was the last time one bloke had 11 of his own? Last night was also retrospective validation for the tactics employed by the key backmen at Adelaide and St Kilda - you are far better off infringing Charlie constantly, because the umpire will always shortchange him on free kicks. The Eagles let him play last night... it'll probably never happen again :huh: .)
 
4flagsin5yrs said:
Owies and Motlop loom large - both offer more than Honey - and more than Fisher too frankly (in his current carp form)
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Yep despite his size Owies actually leads into space better than Honey and applies far more pressure acts and figures out ways to get on the scoreboard or create chances so others score. Eventually Owies will get overtaken by Motlop and Durdin but for now he should be in there ahead of Honey.

I agree that we can and should absolutely drop players even after 108 point wins. We need to be ruthless from here on.






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Gethelred said:
Okay.

Some would say that, as a supporter, you cannot take much from a game like this, in which you were so dominant. I am not one of those people; it is only on days like this that you see what your system looks like when things are going completely your way, when you've blown it open. This is the coaches' and the players' ideal, this is what the system should look like operating at full capacity; this is an opportunity for us to see what that looks like and analyse it on that basis.

And on that basis, you can clearly see what Voss has done differently to last year. We are much - MUCH - better organised behind the ball. When we spread, we spread wide and look to split the defense or move sideways multiple times, only going and going fast when it suits us to do it; this juxtaposed to going as quickly as we can at all times, only to run out of steam due to fatigue. Certain players are given a licence to pull off inboard kicks - Cerra, Gov, Weitering, Newman, Cincotta, Acres, Jack - where others - Doc, Fish, Ed, Cripps, Hewitt - aren't. A key forward kicks a bag, with the other either blocking or dragging players away. The defenders are well organised, holding their positions with the wingers holding wide, forming almost a wedge together when we don't have the ball.

In a stoppage situation, we rely on Cripps or Hewitt getting the ball first with Pittonett (not TDK) palming the ball down to where they will be not where they are. They then handpass forward, and either go or handpass backwards after drawing the player to Doc or Cerra.

Honey/Owies' (their roles are identical) role is hit up and pressure; no ******* wonder they don't get overmuch of the ball. Fish is high half forward, and Durdin is a classic defensive forward flanker, ranging all the way from half back to deep fifty.

The most important component of last night's win - to my mind - is that it was as defensively sound as it was offensively. We had most of the ball and time in possession, yet laid 83 tackles. Beat them in pressure acts. Kept them to 28 points for most of the night, and 44 for the game.

The result should not be overestimated, but at least now we have a clear blueprint of what the gameplan is meant to look like.
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Great summary.

I think it is perfectly fair to temper the outcome given the opposition, BUT the No 1 value of last night was not the result but rather the chance for the team to feel the gameplan come together. I am hoping that the idea of being 'played into form' has come true last night, as the players get the confidence - and the joy - from winning big. Time will tell; it will be tested as soon as Friday night. But potentially the energy that has come from that win will be huge

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Best we can take out of the game last night is "WE PLAYED THE GAME AS IT SHOULD BE PLAYED"
Forget the score as the eagles are decimated at the moment. But at least we move the ball with speed with overlap running, and used the corridor more often than hugging the boundary giving opposition defenders the opportunity to floor back.

Note to Crazy V. Please reward players with consistent performances in the reserves.
 

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