List Mgmt. 2023 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

Key Dates:

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Draft Period, November 20–22

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Monday, November 20, time and venue TBA
• Trade Period (3), picks only: Tuesday, November 21, 5.45pm–6.30pm
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Tuesday, November 21, 7pm until completion
• Rookie Promotions: Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Wednesday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3.20pm
• Final List Lodgement*: Thursday, November 23, 4pm

* List lodgement dates are yet to be made public, so are approximate based on past history and the requirements of the AFL Rules. When lists are lodged, the number of players on the list must not exceed maximum list sizes. At the same time, clubs must provide the AFL with estimates of total player payments in the current and following year, which must prove the club is not and will not exceed the salary cap. (AFL Rules 5.3, 6.1, 6.8, 7.2, 7.9)

 

[Dan87]

I have a feeling Hickey got the biggest pay day he ever had by coming to Sydney

You mean a 29 yo ruck moving to be first ruck after a decade of battling gets his biggest ever contract?

Outrageous

 

[Olian]

Franklin was apparently on $1.5mn in 2021 in a back ended deal. Which was around 11% of the salary cap. So the cap must have been tight as Beatson has alluded to, when you throw in other players. Make what you want if it.

No doubt the revisionists with hindsight would have managed the cap differently.

 

[Superstar swan]

You mean a 29 yo ruck moving to be first ruck after a decade of battling gets his biggest ever contract?

Crazy call

Precisely , he should be on absolute basement level pay. Don't get me wrong , he's been very good for us, but he wouldn't have been employed much longer if we didn't bail him out

 

[Dan87]

Precisely , he should be on absolute basement level pay. Don't get me wrong , he's been very good for us, but he wouldn't have been employed much longer if we didn't bail him out

Being an AFL ruck is a shit job imo and Hickey has earnt his pay well and truly with us

Why would you try and **** him over he'll just say no

 

[Bloods86]

Franklin was apparently on $1.5mn in 2021 in a back ended deal. Which was around 11% of the salary cap. So the cap must have been tight as Beatson has alluded to, when you throw in other players. Make what you want if it.

No doubt the revisionists with hindsight would have managed the cap differently.

Yeah, given I knew about Buddy's contract for years beforehand, I wouldn't have signed up a bunch of questionable talent overlapping 2021, to lessen the salary crunch around retaining those we already had (and were more important). E.g. Lewy Taylor, Gray, Clarke.

 

[cherub]

We might lose Cox back to WA the way things are going.

He seems more intelligent than that. Also no evidence of masochism.

 

[WillHayward]

I'm thinking TDK to Geelong and Ben McKay

32

Ben Mckay

Age

27

Ht

202cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.5

2star

K

3.7

1star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.7

4star

MG

77.2

1star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

88.5

2star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

67.8

1star

to Swans.

Kind of hopeful we get both though .. But that seems highly unlikely seeing we he havent got anyone in 10 years.

But id be happy with just McKay. It's between us and Port...

 

[ashep]

Precisely , he should be on absolute basement level pay. Don't get me wrong , he's been very good for us, but he wouldn't have been employed much longer if we didn't bail him out

Saying we should have lowballed someone who turned out to be very, very good for us and has since battled through injuries is weirdly mean spirited.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Saying we should have lowballed someone who turned out to be very, very good for us and has since battled through injuries is weirdly mean spirited.

And poor business.

 

[BloodySwan]

I'm thinking TDK to Geelong and Ben McKay to Swans.

Kind of hopeful we get both though ..

But id be happy with McKay. It's between us and Port

As the season goes on I don't think we need TDK.

However McKay slots right in

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

As the season goes on I don't think we need TDK.

However McKay slots right in

TDK may end up being more versatile in the long run but yer McKay is more of a need for 2023.

Assuming his body holds up

 

[melbournehammer]

Being an AFL ruck is a s**t job imo and Hickey has earnt his pay well and truly with us

Why would you try and * him over he'll just say no

It’s actually probably wrong as well.

hickey was playing a bit because nicnst was getting injured.

well nothings changed much there

 

[Superstar swan]

Esava is a much cheaper, younger option than barrass. Has transformed himself in a strong defender this season

 

[Wolfgang West]

Naismith was the better ruck, not injury prone at the time. We made the right call based on what we knew.

Naismith May have been the better ruck but couldn’t catch a cold let alone a mark. Having said that Cameron being traded was the right way to go at the time.

 

[Wolfgang West]

Because GWS swing him from end to end.

He is a good defender, and would go straight into our team at either full back or chb.

He is from NSW, durable, and wouldn't cost anything in a trade.

Making too much sense here.

 

[Wolfgang West]

He may be the best we can get. He's not going to lead either line, but csn be a valuable 2nd or 3rd KPD. Similarly if we need him up forward.

Role players in the NBA win Championships. AFL footy is no different. Not every player has to be a superstar to have a major impact on a team’s ability to get the ultimate result. Every piece added together does. He could fit that bill.

 

[Wolfgang West]

I feel like your confusion has been answered multiple times in this thread. Less salary but an extra year. What part of that don't you get?

Dead horse has been flogged.

 

[RUNVS]

If we got him, I'd like to see us just settle him into key defence. Swingman stuff is a bit overrated imo.

More than a bit. It is the most overrated position in the AFL. I mean Buddy would have likely been great if we played him in defence sometimes, but you know why we didn't do that, it was because he was too good in the forward line. Players who are actually really good don't become swingmen.

 

[BloodySwan]

 

[Cadsky]

Esava is a much cheaper, younger option than barrass. Has transformed himself in a strong defender this season

 

[WillHayward]

Not convinced about Barrass. Too old for our group.

He'd also want big coin given the Eagles culture and pay structure.

 

[Superstar swan]

Not convinced about Barrass. Too old for our group.

Agree much better options out there

 

[S120]

Not convinced about Barrass. Too old for our group.

He'd also want big coin given the Eagles culture and pay structure.

He'll be 28 in October. Seems perfect to me for a group who are aiming to contend strongly for finals in 2024 onwards. Seriously good player who has, I'd suggest, 3-4 years of top football left at least.

 

[RUNVS]

He'll be 28 in October. Seems perfect to me for a group who are aiming to contend strongly for finals in 2024 onwards. Seriously good player who has, I'd suggest, 3-4 years of top football left at least.

Yes, and 28 and a half by the time he plays a single game for the Swans.

Do we really want to pay a first rounder, a good first rounder too, on a player who we may only have at his best for 2 or 3 years?

 

[Caj]

My understanding is that the club offered Aliir 3 years on $X and he requested an undertaking that he would not be played in the ruck, which the club declined to make.
He was not happy and sought permission to talk to other clubs, which the club gave.
Apparently Port offered 4 years at $Y and made the undertaking. Swans declined to match or better and said "go with our blessing".
All above board.
None of us know what, if any, limitations existed on what we could offer Aliir. Lots of posters have offered opinions on how the club viewed him as a player but no-one could deny he has provided good value to Port. Whether that would have happened if he had stayed is unknowable.

It’s a nice story except we traded him with 2 years left in his contract