List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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AFL Draft 2023 Rankings: Gap between Reid and the rest closes as father-son guns boost prospects

Gap between best and rest closes; father-son guns surge: Top 30 draft rankings revealed
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First time I've seen Collard mentioned, let alone inside the top 30. o_O

Time to go to AFL to ask for him to be pre listed...
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I totally get the argument for McKercher closing the gap between himself and Reid (and I agree that he has).

I don't think the same applies for Walter, despite him being an obvious key position talent.
If you look at his top end games they include:
1. AFL Academy Game 2 - 9 disposals, 2 marks and 1 goal;
2. U18 Champs - Allies v SA - 17 disposals, 9 marks and 3 goals;
3. U18 Champs - Allies v WA - 10 disposals, 8 marks and 3 goals;
4. U18 Champs - Allies v Vic Metro - 13 disposals, 6 marks and 3 goals; and
5. U18 Champs - Allies v Vic Country - 11 disposals, 6 marks and 2 goals.

That's an average of 12 disposals, 6.2 marks and 2.4 goals for Walter over these five games.

You compare this to Harley Reid's top end games which includes:
1. AFL Academy Game 1 - 21 disposals, 6 marks, 7 clearances and a goal;
2. U18 Champs - Vic Country v SA - 15 disposals, 4 clearances, 1 mark and 3 goals;
3. U18 Champs - Vic Country v WA - 26 disposals, 10 marks, 5 clearances and 2 goals;
4. U18 Champs - Vic Country v Allies - 14 disposals, 4 clearances, 2 marks, 5 tackles; 7 inside 50s; and
5. U18 Champs - Vic Country v Vic Metro - 24 disposals, 5 marks, 12 clearances and 4 inside 50s.

That's an average of 20 disposals, 6.4 clearances, 4.8 marks and 1.2 goals over these five games.

Now I realise there's an apples and oranges comparison I'm participating in here (due to the different positions) but I don't think what Walter has completed as a body of work should in and of itself bring him closer to Reid. I understand that different weights will be given to key position outputs vs midfielder outputs and I also admired Walter's impact that he would have during periods of games, however, I think on actual output Reid still outperformed Walter (despite obviously being down for his games against SA and Allies).

The article posits: "Some clubs now have Walter ahead of Harley Reid on their draft boards after a breathtaking patch of form across the past few months."
If his "breathtaking patch of form" was not specifically at the Champs what other form should we consider in this comparison that has bought him substantially closer to Reid?

Having said all of the above I would absolutely take Walter if he was available and a key position forward was our no. 1 need.
 
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Deplorable trumpster said:
Just read Sumich's column suggesting we trade for Grundy with Melbourne. What a stupid idea. My opinion of him has gone way down after reading that (assuming it was actually Sumich who wrote that and not a ghost writer/editor forcing that dumb idea into his column).

But it brings up the larger concern about whether the club is going to have it's head on straight with it's priorities regarding trading. Lots of media commentators are offering up opinions that are based on the premise that our priority is and should be to get some extra wins and get off bottom place as soon as possible at any cost. And based on that premise they suggest trading for 30 year olds like Grundy. Or they suggest we throw draft picks at somebody who is not 30 but has been in the system for quite a while (like Georgiades) and hasn't really cut it but who would probably perform better over the next 2 or 3 years than an 18 year old draftee would.

The priority is to build a base of young talent on our list with which we can have a sustained run in the 8 in 3 - 5 years time. If that means another two years in the bottom 4 and maybe another spoon then so be it. We will just have to eat our vegetables and take the pain. The priority is definately not to just get a short term sugar high by winning a couple of extra games in the next two years to get off bottom place at the expense of throwing draft picks for more mature players who will have close to zero value over a 3 - 5 year time horizon.

I hope the club is really clear in it's head that all decisions must be made with a 3 - 5 year time horizon in mind and an immediate but unsustainable (and ultimately false) pick up in the form line over the next 1 - 2 two years by compromising the 3 - 5 year goals is not what supporters want to see.
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Luckily the club has shown no sighns of doing this, all i have heard coming from the club is going to the draft.
 

AFL Draft 2023: Rival clubs aren’t happy the league could allow North Melbourne to land top prospect Ryley Sanders for nothing​

‘It would strike at the heart of the integrity of the competition’. Rival clubs aren’t happy with North possibly getting Ryley Sanders for nothing – and they are taking aim at the league.
Clubs have vented their frustrations with the AFL over North Melbourne’s plot to pick-up outstanding draft prospect Ryley Sanders for nothing.

The Kangaroos are eyeing the jet midfielder as a pre-selection as part of the special assistance package from league headquarters to help boost the team out of the doldrums.

But the Kangaroos confirmed they would also focus on tall talent in this year’s draft, following the likely departure of Ben McKay to help bolster the back half with West Australian top-five prospect Daniel Curtin likely to come into calculations.

Clubs have registered their anger with league chiefs, adamant Sanders – who is considered a top-10 talent – should be available to all clubs in the first round of the national draft.

Sanders has a link to North Melbourne through its next generation academy as the star ball winner has Indigenous heritage.

Under AFL rules, players such as Sanders can be taken by any club which selects them in the top-40, but the league may make Sanders off-limits to rival clubs as part of a free hit to North.

The suggestion has caused uproar among clubs who are adamant the move is over-the-top for a club which already has a handful of top-end young midfielders including George Wardlaw, Harry Sheezel, Will Phillips and Luke Davies-Uniacke.

“The integrity of the whole competition is at stake when you talk about a club getting one of the top-six players in the draft for nothing,” a recruiting manager said.

“Ryley Sanders was the best player at the national championships and should be available to all clubs if he is picked inside the top-40, as per the AFL rules.


“How can the AFL hand North Melbourne one of the country’s best underage prospects for free when it directly contravenes their own NGA rules?”

North Melbourne is also set to receive a free agency compensation pick for the departure of fullback McKay who the Herald Sun last month revealed was being targeted by Essendon.

But the league has assured clubs in the past 24 hours it would not fudge the compensation formula to deliver pick three to the Roos if McKay’s new salary did not meet the band one requirements.

The compensation is based on salary, age and length of new deal at his new club.

But the recruiter said the Sanders preselection suggestion had raised the ire of clubs across the competition, despite the Roos’ lowly position.

Brett Ratten and Alastair Clarkson’s men have won only 11 games in the past four seasons under former coaches David Noble and Rhyce Shaw.

“Regardless of any other unrelated free agency compensation picks, it would be incredibly unfair on 17 other clubs if North were handed Sanders as a preselection,” the scout said.

“Clubs have spoken to the AFL about the reports, and it would strike at the heart of the integrity of the competition if they are given another star midfielder considering the talent already on the list and their upcoming picks this year.

“If there needs to be assistance, there are other ways to help, without interfering with the top few picks in the draft.

“Otherwise, we are basically going back to the days of the old priority pick system at the top of the order.

“Sanders is that good.

“The kid should be available to every club if he is picked inside the top-40, as per the league’s own rules. Otherwise, the AFL is making it up as they go along.”

Currently North Melbourne pick two and could be delivered pick three if McKay’s salary tops $800,000. A lesser salary of about $650,000 would net North end of first-round compensation.

Along with Sanders, the club’s recruiting boss Brady Rawlings admitted the Roos were keen to bolster their key position stocks as well.

“We certainly need to look at that key defensive position,” Rawlings said on a club video.

“We are well aware we haven’t picked very tall over recent seasons.”
 

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I totally get the argument for McKercher closing the gap between himself and Reid (and I agree that he has).

I don't think the same applies for Walter, despite him being an obvious key position talent.
If you look at his top end games they include:
1. AFL Academy Game 2 - 9 disposals, 2 marks and 1 goal;
2. U18 Champs - Allies v SA - 17 disposals, 9 marks and 3 goals;
3. U18 Champs - Allies v WA - 10 disposals, 8 marks and 3 goals;
4. U18 Champs - Allies v Vic Metro - 13 disposals, 6 marks and 3 goals; and
5. U18 Champs - Allies v Vic Country - 11 disposals, 6 marks and 2 goals.

That's an average of 12 disposals, 6.2 marks and 2.4 goals for Walter over these five games.

You compare this to Harley Reid's top end games which includes:
1. AFL Academy Game 1 - 21 disposals, 6 marks, 7 clearances and a goal;
2. U18 Champs - Vic Country v SA - 15 disposals, 4 clearances, 1 mark and 3 goals;
3. U18 Champs - Vic Country v WA - 26 disposals, 10 marks, 5 clearances and 2 goals;
4. U18 Champs - Vic Country v Allies - 14 disposals, 4 clearances, 2 marks, 5 tackles; 7 inside 50s; and
5. U18 Champs - Vic Country v Vic Metro - 24 disposals, 5 marks, 12 clearances and 4 inside 50s.

That's an average of 20 disposals, 6.4 clearances, 4.8 marks and 1.2 goals over these five games.

Now I realise there's an apples and oranges comparison I'm participating in here (due to the different positions) but I don't think what Walter has completed as a body of work should in and of itself bring him closer to Reid. I understand that different weights will be given to key position outputs vs midfielder outputs and I also admired Walter's impact that he would have during periods of games, however, I think on actual output Reid still outperformed Walter (despite obviously being down for his games against SA and Allies).

The article posits: "Some clubs now have Walter ahead of Harley Reid on their draft boards after a breathtaking patch of form across the past few months."
If his "breathtaking patch of form" was not specifically at the Champs what other form should we consider in this comparison that has bought him substantially closer to Reid?
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Agree, and I think a lot of people have probably taken Harley for granted a bit this year. As they saw him last year and his output then would've had him in top handful in last years draft, so coming into this year I'm not too sure what people were expecting!

I still feel like he's the best prospect I've seen in the draft, alongside Nick Diacos. Different players with different elite talents, but a level above.

Whilst McKercher has closed the gap, I think Harley will instantly translate to AFL footy and at a high level. McKercher has had an excellent year, and should have an impact at AFL level next year but not to the extent Harley will.

I really like Walter, but tend to agree I thought he was very good but wanted just a bit more.

I think the best comparison in your stats is the Academy game 1, yes it was wet but the comparison is playing against men and Harley stood up and Walter didn't.
 
TerryFilk said:
Unfortunately it feels like the club have their mind made up and will be splitting pick 1. I absolutely hate that Melbourne deal, but I fully expect us being stupid enough to go for it because we’d get “3 1st round picks”
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How does it feel like that? Through their silence either way?

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For all the different scenarios on here in regards to our first pick i cant see north offering up picks 2 and 3(if theyve got it)
They need some tall timber and curtain or osullivan would fit the bill
Wardlaw and LDU are their inside bulls already


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rko121 said:
I agree with people wanting us to keep pick 1 but i feel like Melbourne are likely to come to us with 2 picks in the top 5 which i guess will force us to think long and hard whether to split.

I see Melbourne trading with GC first something along the lines of Melbourne's picks 15,23,34 for GC picks 5 and 43.

Then make us the offer of Pick 4, Pick 5 and F1 Melb.
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NO!!!!!!!!!
 

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This bit in the article is also pleasing...

"But the league has assured clubs in the past 24 hours it would not fudge the compensation formula to deliver pick three to the Roos if McKay’s new salary did not meet the band one requirements."
 
Barrass is a heaps better player than McKay. If he goes, we should be getting at least as much as North.
eaglesnutcase said:
Barass out for the season. May put Sydney off !! Gov out as well. Put money on that front runner Larkey to kick a bag!
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He has battled back issues throughout his career.
 
eaglesnutcase said:
Barass out for the season. May put Sydney off !! Gov out as well. Put money on that front runner Larkey to kick a bag!
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They recruited Paddy McCartin. Don't think it's an issue tbh.
 
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