List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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[AsterixTheGaul]

I find it funny that people are so clear in their assessment of yes no about splitting pick 1. And this is all based on speculation from AFL reporters some of which understand the specific draft this year while most are more ignorant.

As far as I can ascertain, the possible clubs that will come hard for pick 1 and what I think will be on offer are:-

1. Norf - pick 2 and 17 which is not really going to excite me so a fat no. IF and a big IF they get pick 3 as compo, then pick 2 and 3 as the basis might be tempting depending on what is worked out needing to go back to Norf. The question for me then is Harley v Curtin and McKercher and I lean to the latter. but not at the expense of 19.

2. GWS - their own R1, Richmond's R1 and the possible Himmelberg compensation after GWS R1 or a future R1. My expectation is that would look like 3 picks around the 10 mark. Not something that is tempting at all. IF GWS was to do a deal with Norf and get pick 2 and another pick around 6 from the Suns, then maybe.

3. Hawks - pick 3 and some players. Pass. If it was pick 3 plus their future R1 in exchange for 1 and our future second, then I would listen but it would only be tempting IF it is pick 3 with Norf not getting FA comp after after their pick 2.

4, Demons - Freo R1, Demons R1 and future Demons R1. Freo pick likely to be 4 or 5 and the Demons a late teens pick in both years = a big no. The only proviso is if Dees did the dirty work in prising pick 3 and 6 from the Suns

So in summary, I do not know the offer. If it is to happen, it is a simple deal with Hawks or Norf and if anyone else, it will be a similar mega deal like last trade period.

 

[DJMac]

I would take Grundy if Melbourne did a Gold Coast Deal and gave is their first pick as well for the Grundy salary dump.

 

[TerryFilk]

Unfortunately it feels like the club have their mind made up and will be splitting pick 1. I absolutely hate that Melbourne deal, but I fully expect us being stupid enough to go for it because we’d get “3 1st round picks”

 

[stylish]

I think WC's trading and drafting over the last couple of years would provide confidence to supporters that they have some ability in making good decisions.

 

[Chris_6678]

Unfortunately it feels like the club have their mind made up and will be splitting pick 1. I absolutely hate that Melbourne deal, but I fully expect us being stupid enough to go for it because we’d get “3 1st round picks”

They have? Season hasnt even finished yet.....

 

[stylish]

Unfortunately it feels like the club have their mind made up and will be splitting pick 1. I absolutely hate that Melbourne deal, but I fully expect us being stupid enough to go for it because we’d get “3 1st round picks”

How have you come up with that? WC can be accused of many things but leaking strategies/making decisions known through the media is certainly not one of them.

 

[DanWCE]

They super duper really want it.

Seems unlikely they can make it happen with picks alone. Any chance they pony up players? Hunt can tell them how good our weights room is

 

[briztoon]

The dees first rounder will push out past pick 20 this year with GC academy × 3 norf FA compo , hawks Father son and dogs father son

Do a top 20 without any father son or academy kids in it. That’s how recruiters trading for picks will assess the talent potentially available in that range.

Same for next year’s draft, as there might be a similar number of club tied kids in next year’s first round.

 

[CountryLad]

Clubs in the window like Melbourne do not have 20 dead wood spots on their list they need to fill.

They can afford to maximise quality.

We should be looking to maximise a combination of quality and quantity.

Did you not read my post my comment was that it is a dead spot in the draft between 6-10. We should be avoiding picks in that range. I don’t care what the Dees do or don’t have.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

I find it funny that people are so clear in their assessment of yes no about splitting pick 1. And this is all based on speculation from AFL reporters some of which understand the specific draft this year while most are more ignorant.

As far as I can ascertain, the possible clubs that will come hard for pick 1 and what I think will be on offer are:-

1. Norf - pick 2 and 17 which is not really going to excite me so a fat no. IF and a big IF they get pick 3 as compo, then pick 2 and 3 as the basis might be tempting depending on what is worked out needing to go back to Norf. The question for me then is Harley v Curtin and McKercher and I lean to the latter. but not at the expense of 19.

2. GWS - their own R1, Richmond's R1 and the possible Himmelberg compensation after GWS R1 or a future R1. My expectation is that would look like 3 picks around the 10 mark. Not something that is tempting at all. IF GWS was to do a deal with Norf and get pick 2 and another pick around 6 from the Suns, then maybe.

3. Hawks - pick 3 and some players. Pass. If it was pick 3 plus their future R1 in exchange for 1 and our future second, then I would listen but it would only be tempting IF it is pick 3 with Norf not getting FA comp after after their pick 2.

4, Demons - Freo R1, Demons R1 and future Demons R1. Freo pick likely to be 4 or 5 and the Demons a late teens pick in both years = a big no. The only proviso is if Dees did the dirty work in prising pick 3 and 6 from the Suns

So in summary, I do not know the offer. If it is to happen, it is a simple deal with Hawks or Norf and if anyone else, it will be a similar mega deal like last trade period.

So a trade with Norf of 1 + 19 for 2 + 3 is a no.
But a trade with Hawks of 1 + F2(19 likely) for 3 + F1 (>3 likely) is a yes.

How do you figure that?

 

[CountryLad]

Norf won't get 3 for McKay and sanders.

McKay off to bombers for 600+

They'll get end of first round for McKay and sanders.

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Talk is that Mckay will be 800k which will put it as a very good chance of being pick 3. It’s a very good chance Nth get both.

 

[CountryLad]

Unfortunately it feels like the club have their mind made up and will be splitting pick 1. I absolutely hate that Melbourne deal, but I fully expect us being stupid enough to go for it because we’d get “3 1st round picks”

Aren’t the Eagles going to catch up with Reid this or next week. I’m hoping he’s still right on our radar.

 

[ShaunDuggan]

North will certainly get pick 3, they'll copy and paste the Danniher deal to Brisbane.

 

[Monocle]

I find it funny that people are so clear in their assessment of yes no about splitting pick 1. And this is all based on speculation from AFL reporters some of which understand the specific draft this year while most are more ignorant.

As far as I can ascertain, the possible clubs that will come hard for pick 1 and what I think will be on offer are:-

1. Norf - pick 2 and 17 which is not really going to excite me so a fat no. IF and a big IF they get pick 3 as compo, then pick 2 and 3 as the basis might be tempting depending on what is worked out needing to go back to Norf. The question for me then is Harley v Curtin and McKercher and I lean to the latter. but not at the expense of 19.

2. GWS - their own R1, Richmond's R1 and the possible Himmelberg compensation after GWS R1 or a future R1. My expectation is that would look like 3 picks around the 10 mark. Not something that is tempting at all. IF GWS was to do a deal with Norf and get pick 2 and another pick around 6 from the Suns, then maybe.

3. Hawks - pick 3 and some players. Pass. If it was pick 3 plus their future R1 in exchange for 1 and our future second, then I would listen but it would only be tempting IF it is pick 3 with Norf not getting FA comp after after their pick 2.

4, Demons - Freo R1, Demons R1 and future Demons R1. Freo pick likely to be 4 or 5 and the Demons a late teens pick in both years = a big no. The only proviso is if Dees did the dirty work in prising pick 3 and 6 from the Suns

So in summary, I do not know the offer. If it is to happen, it is a simple deal with Hawks or Norf and if anyone else, it will be a similar mega deal like last trade period.

Way to early for any meaningful speculation and the media are just spewing out crap ( something that they do ever so well ) to compensate for what little real intel they actually currently have.

All the machinations of combining players with picks is yet to be calculated in the equation.

I suspect that you are correct that any trade that we potentially get involved in with Pick # 1, will be multilayered and just like last years mega trade at the top end, will have several Clubs combining picks AND players into the mix.

Going to be an interesting watch and read here on BF as posters grapple with the complexities of what may well be in play, because many here having difficulty grasping even the most simplistic trade.
Let alone the deluded posters from other Clubs who come onto our board and talk up the value of their spuds as being the perfect set of steak knives and similarly talk our players down.

That said we need to actually hold the number 1 pick first, something that is highly likely but nevertheless no certainty.

The Harley Reid Cup this weekend will give clarity as to the status as to just who will hold pick 1 at the commencement of the trade and draft the silly season.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

So a trade with Norf of 1 + 19 for 2 + 3 is a no.
But a trade with Hawks of 1 + F2(19 likely) for 3 + F1 (>3 likely) is a yes.

How do you figure that?

I think the 2024 draft will more heavily compromised meaning a future R2 will start at 19 and end up being late 20's

That said, the only scenario I really like is the Norf 2 and 3.

 

[CountryLad]

I find it funny that people are so clear in their assessment of yes no about splitting pick 1. And this is all based on speculation from AFL reporters some of which understand the specific draft this year while most are more ignorant.

As far as I can ascertain, the possible clubs that will come hard for pick 1 and what I think will be on offer are:-

1. Norf - pick 2 and 17 which is not really going to excite me so a fat no. IF and a big IF they get pick 3 as compo, then pick 2 and 3 as the basis might be tempting depending on what is worked out needing to go back to Norf. The question for me then is Harley v Curtin and McKercher and I lean to the latter. but not at the expense of 19.

2. GWS - their own R1, Richmond's R1 and the possible Himmelberg compensation after GWS R1 or a future R1. My expectation is that would look like 3 picks around the 10 mark. Not something that is tempting at all. IF GWS was to do a deal with Norf and get pick 2 and another pick around 6 from the Suns, then maybe.

3. Hawks - pick 3 and some players. Pass. If it was pick 3 plus their future R1 in exchange for 1 and our future second, then I would listen but it would only be tempting IF it is pick 3 with Norf not getting FA comp after after their pick 2.

4, Demons - Freo R1, Demons R1 and future Demons R1. Freo pick likely to be 4 or 5 and the Demons a late teens pick in both years = a big no. The only proviso is if Dees did the dirty work in prising pick 3 and 6 from the Suns

So in summary, I do not know the offer. If it is to happen, it is a simple deal with Hawks or Norf and if anyone else, it will be a similar mega deal like last trade period.

As long as Port aren’t in any way involved which admittedly they won’t be. They took off like bandits last year. That trade makes me sick when I see how well Port did out of it.
Pick 8 & 17
For JHF and Rioli and now have upgraded 2nd and 3rd rounders in this draft to go with it.

 

[pantskyle]

Seems unlikely they can make it happen with picks alone. Any chance they pony up players? Hunt can tell them how good our weights room is

Depends on the picks. Eagles would love a few extra top 20 picks.

 

[dinnaz]

Way to early for any meaningful speculation and the media are just spewing out crap ( something that they do ever so well ) to compensate for what little real intel they actually currently have.

All the machinations of combining players with picks is yet to be calculated in the equation.

I suspect that you are correct that any trade that we potentially get involved in with Pick # 1, will be multilayered and just like last years mega trade at the top end, will have several Clubs combining picks AND players into the mix.

Going to be an interesting watch and read here on BF as posters grapple with the complexities of what may well be in play, because many here having difficulty grasping even the most simplistic trade.
Let alone the deluded posters from other Clubs who come onto our board and talk up the value of their spuds as being the perfect set of steak knives and similarly talk our players down.

That said we need to actually hold the number 1 pick first, something that is highly likely but nevertheless no certainty.

The Harley Reid Cup this weekend will give clarity as to the status as to just who will hold pick 1 at the commencement of the trade and draft the silly season.

Savagery
But the word coming out is that we are keen on keeping #1.
I hope we stand our ground unlike last year where we had a bit of a fire sale losing #2 and Rioli for #9 + #14 + #36

 

[Hook461123]

How have you come up with that? WC can be accused of many things but leaking strategies/making decisions known through the media is certainly not one of them.

Last year the pick swap speculation was proved correct and the year before that the Chesser pick was leaked before the draft, so they have been a few leaks recently. But yeah we are normally pretty good at keeping our strategies to ourselves.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Excellent

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

Just worked out potentially our pick 19 may slide to 27 with all the assistance the AFL is handing out to struggling clubs such as North, Gold Coast, Hawthorn, Bulldogs and Swans.

So should we use this years 19and its more valuable points plus other picks to land the Suns pick 5?

No because it will still be the first pick of night 2

 

[Monocle]

Savagery
But the word coming out is that we are keen on keeping #1.
I hope we stand our ground unlike last year where we had a bit of a fire sale losing #2 and Rioli for #9 + #14 + #36

Yep and I am not advocating that we trade pick one, more so just wanting us to keep an open mind as you never say never until you see what’s been offered.

I may be in the minority but I was ok with the pick split last year, as far as the Rioli situation, we were on a hiding to nothing on that one, Port are such a (unt of a Club to deal with, personally I would have just let him slide into the PSD, but then again that’s just the vindictive nature of me.

 

[DanWCE]

Depends on the picks. Eagles would love a few extra top 20 picks.

I'm looking at picks currently in their possession and it wouldn't be enough to get it done. A lot will come down to how they might manufacture a pick.

 

[Free Agent]

Excellent

About time. I'm disappointed it's taken this long to be honest. It's got to the point where a strike needs to happen. Refusal to take part in next season by multiple clubs. Integrity of the comp is everything and what makes the league work. Without it the league falls apart. What's been happening over the past few years shouldn't happen and needs to be dealt with and hit head on. Force the AFL to resolved this for equality and future of the league.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Excellent

Do you have a pass Salty? If so, can you please copy/paste?