Opinion Matthew Nicks: Adelaide's Coach

[Danger in Texas]

Big difference .....GCS received concessions from the AFL, have an academy for free draft hits ....and still there was no noticeable difference in performance after 5.5 years

We've had year on year improvement .....the point now is, can we play a Finals Brand of winning footy ....I've been saying from the onset of the rebuild, that's been the foundation laid down ....a team that can scrap when needed, play attacking footy ....and doesn't give up on games

We’ve shown this year that, when playing at our best, our gameplan has a good balance of scrap and spread, which allows us to stay in the game on both sides of the ball. The next step is to show this ability more consistently, which you’d think would come with more progression and cohesion

If we continue to see the same problems costing us wins next year (inaccuracy in big moments, not being able to get over the line in close games, relying on the wrong players etc), what does that say about Nicks and his ability to get the best out of the playing group? And why should we settle for that, concessions or no concessions?

FWIW I’d be surprised if we don’t take another jump next year, but you’ve always got to consider the possibility of the alternative

 

[WaynesWorld19]

If we continue to see the same problems costing us wins next year (inaccuracy in big moments, not being able to get over the line in close games, relying on the wrong players etc), what does that say about Nicks and his ability to get the best out of the playing group? And why should we settle for that, concessions or no concessions?

FWIW I’d be surprised if we don’t take another jump next year, but you’ve always got to consider the possibility of the alternative

You can't speculate on what hasn't happened yet .....it's a wasted exercise

 

[Danger in Texas]

You can't speculate on what hasn't happened yet .....it's a wasted exercise

Um, why not? It’s just a matter of comparing the two alternatives and coming up with the most appropriate decision for the club

 

[George Kramer]

Um, why not? It’s just a matter of comparing the two alternatives and coming up with the most appropriate decision for the club

Given we can’t speculate Nicks failing, there isn’t an argument against re-signing him early.

Classic Wayne

 

[Mutineer]

We haven't got enough talls. Therefore, suggestions to get rid of Himmelberg are somewhat premature.

Especially given how much his ruckwork improved this year, some of his hit outs to advantage were a thing of beauty. Better tap ruck than Thilthorpe in that regard.

 

[1970crow]

It’s a difficult balance

Don’t extend him and maybe, even if only subconsciously, he’s making decisions based on getting himself a new contract

Extend him and maybe it takes the pressure off winning now rather than in the future

He selects for the 4 points regardless. Not being contracted beyond next season will have no impact on selection strategy.

 

[1970crow]

You can't speculate on what hasn't happened yet .....it's a wasted exercise

Typical marketer, no idea when it comes to management.

 

[relapse]

Pyke signed a three year deal in January of 2018, already contracted for 2018 of course so the deal was through to end of 2021

Pyke "stepped down" in September of 2019 but I imagine there was a reasonable payout for the two years left on his contract

I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't ask for a pay out.

Pyke had a massive windfall with a mining company he was involved in and have heard it said a few times that he made so much money from the sale of Seismic Australia that he doesn't need to work another day in his life.

He's remained in footy for passion rather the money.

 

[skittlebrew]

I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't ask for a pay out.

Pyke had a massive windfall with a mining company he was involved in and have heard it said a few times that he made so much money from the sale of Seismic Australia that he doesn't need to work another day in his life.

He's remained in footy for passion rather the money.

If he was so rich then I assumed he worked for free in the first place? To give us more room in the soft cap?

No?

You can bet your ass he didn't work for free and also that he didn't leave for free, as is his right to do so.

 

[MRB37]

Wasn't Craigy paid out? Pyke would have been paid out, he didn't resign with no pay. He was given the option to say it was iniated by him when we all know it wasn't.
Not sure whether Shaw and Ayres were paid out or not.

Craig was put on-staff, so had no set contract.

Ayers was heading out of contract and told he wasn't going to get an extension so quit rather than finishing the year out.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Typical marketer, no idea when it comes to management.

Do MD & GM roles count ?

 

[Brett Cummings]

Such as missing finals six years straight?

You underestimate this club.

 

[baldandbroke]

Do MD & GM roles count ?

Spoken like a true marketer

 

[relapse]

If he was so rich then I assumed he worked for free in the first place? To give us more room in the soft cap?

No?

You can bet your ass he didn't work for free and also that he didn't leave for free, as is his right to do so.

The club said this publicly

"Adelaide Football Club chairman Rob Chapman said there was no termination payment"

'I have given my all': Adelaide Crows coach Don Pyke steps down

Adelaide Crows coach Don Pyke will step down from his senior role, a decision the club says is unrelated to the current internal and external reviews. Pyke says it "has been a wonderful ride".

www.abc.net.au

 

[1970crow]

Do MD & GM roles count ?

obviously not good at them if you were choosing to increase risk with no reason to do so or potential reward. Marketers are about as good at management as bankers are at accounting.

 

[FR0GGY]

Now I know it wasn’t in this thread but it’s more relevant here.
Mostyn you asked repeatedly for the interview with Dawson regarding training less this year with the mids, did you listen to it as I quoted it for you and what is your response?

 

[MsTopG]

The club said this publicly

"Adelaide Football Club chairman Rob Chapman said there was no termination payment"

'I have given my all': Adelaide Crows coach Don Pyke steps down

Adelaide Crows coach Don Pyke will step down from his senior role, a decision the club says is unrelated to the current internal and external reviews. Pyke says it "has been a wonderful ride".

www.abc.net.au

RC is a liar.

 

[jenny61_99]

RC is a liar.

Right. So you KNOW there was a payout, do you?

 

[Mutineer]

RC is a liar.

Please explain.
You think the club would be foolish enough to make a public statement on the matter if that wasn't the case?

 

[PeterSalt]

Adelaide Crows have released their financial results for 2019 – recording a small profit​

The clean-out following Adelaide’s 2019 season, and the payouts to “key personnel” within the football department have shrunk the Crows profit for the year.

Adelaide’s post-2019 season clean-out, and the payouts that followed, have reduced the profit the Crows recorded for last year.
At the club’s Members’ Meeting at Adelaide Oval on Monday, the Crows announced they had reported a cash operating profit of $2.68 million for 2019 – their fifth straight.

But after “taking into consideration non-cash items”, the club’s statutory profit – the bottom line of a company’s profit and loss account – was $238,473 and included depreciation.

In 2018, the Crows recorded a cash operating profit of $3.8 million and a statutory profit of $1.5 million.

On their website, the Crows said: “the financial result can be attributed to a healthy commercial program and comes on the back of a challenging on-field period, which resulted in key personnel changes within the football department”.

Senior coach Don Pyke stepped down after the Crows missed finals for the second straight year while head of football Brett Burton and senior assistant coach Scott Camporeale were victims of the internal and external reviews at the club.

Money paid to Burton, Camporeale and Pyke will fall under Adelaide’s football department soft cap, but in October chief executive Andrew Fagan said the club was prepared to go over and pay the tax to ensure its football program was not compromised.


From the Advertiser, 3rd March 2020



I recall Fagan in interview a few weeks after Pyke left saying they'd negotiate a payout. This was after initially saying there would be no payout.

At the time the assumption was that Pyke resigned. That he did in fact negotiate a payout tends to suggest he was pushed.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/teams/adelaide/adelaide-crows-have-released-their-financial-results-for-2019-recording-a-small-profit/news-story/0aa4b3718fa33e39ea13b3b62f9fd79b?amp

 

[SugarShane]

Big difference .....GCS received concessions from the AFL, have an academy for free draft hits ....and still there was no noticeable difference in performance after 5.5 years

We've had year on year improvement .....the point now is, can we play a Finals Brand of winning footy ....I've been saying from the onset of the rebuild, that's been the foundation laid down ....a team that can scrap when needed, play attacking footy ....and doesn't give up on games

GC Under Dew (with handfuls of concessions and top picks):
2018 - 17
2019 - 18
2020 - 14
2021 - 16
2022 - 12
2023 - 13th at the time of sacking

ADE Under Nicks (after gutting the club and starting during covid year):
2020 - 18
2021 - 15
2022 - 14
2023 - 10*

In 4 years he's taken us higher than Dew managed in 6 years, and Dew had the benefit of a half built team and a pocket full of top draft picks.

 

[FR0GGY]

Adelaide Crows have released their financial results for 2019 – recording a small profit​

The clean-out following Adelaide’s 2019 season, and the payouts to “key personnel” within the football department have shrunk the Crows profit for the year.

Adelaide’s post-2019 season clean-out, and the payouts that followed, have reduced the profit the Crows recorded for last year.
At the club’s Members’ Meeting at Adelaide Oval on Monday, the Crows announced they had reported a cash operating profit of $2.68 million for 2019 – their fifth straight.

But after “taking into consideration non-cash items”, the club’s statutory profit – the bottom line of a company’s profit and loss account – was $238,473 and included depreciation.

In 2018, the Crows recorded a cash operating profit of $3.8 million and a statutory profit of $1.5 million.

On their website, the Crows said: “the financial result can be attributed to a healthy commercial program and comes on the back of a challenging on-field period, which resulted in key personnel changes within the football department”.

Senior coach Don Pyke stepped down after the Crows missed finals for the second straight year while head of football Brett Burton and senior assistant coach Scott Camporeale were victims of the internal and external reviews at the club.

Money paid to Burton, Camporeale and Pyke will fall under Adelaide’s football department soft cap, but in October chief executive Andrew Fagan said the club was prepared to go over and pay the tax to ensure its football program was not compromised.




From the Advertiser, 3rd March 2020

I recall Fagan in interview a few weeks after Pyke left saying they'd negotiate a payout. This was after initially saying there would be no payout.

At the time the assumption was that Pyke resigned. That he did in fact negotiate a payout tends to suggest he was pushed.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/teams/adelaide/adelaide-crows-have-released-their-financial-results-for-2019-recording-a-small-profit/news-story/0aa4b3718fa33e39ea13b3b62f9fd79b?amp

Uh oh

 

[Slippery Pete]

The club said this publicly

"Adelaide Football Club chairman Rob Chapman said there was no termination payment"

'I have given my all': Adelaide Crows coach Don Pyke steps down

Adelaide Crows coach Don Pyke will step down from his senior role, a decision the club says is unrelated to the current internal and external reviews. Pyke says it "has been a wonderful ride".

www.abc.net.au

If you’re taking anything to the bank that Rob Chapman said on the day Pyke left you’d believe in fairies in the bottom of the garden

 

[MRB37]

Adelaide Crows have released their financial results for 2019 – recording a small profit​

The clean-out following Adelaide’s 2019 season, and the payouts to “key personnel” within the football department have shrunk the Crows profit for the year.

Adelaide’s post-2019 season clean-out, and the payouts that followed, have reduced the profit the Crows recorded for last year.
At the club’s Members’ Meeting at Adelaide Oval on Monday, the Crows announced they had reported a cash operating profit of $2.68 million for 2019 – their fifth straight.

But after “taking into consideration non-cash items”, the club’s statutory profit – the bottom line of a company’s profit and loss account – was $238,473 and included depreciation.

In 2018, the Crows recorded a cash operating profit of $3.8 million and a statutory profit of $1.5 million.

On their website, the Crows said: “the financial result can be attributed to a healthy commercial program and comes on the back of a challenging on-field period, which resulted in key personnel changes within the football department”.

Senior coach Don Pyke stepped down after the Crows missed finals for the second straight year while head of football Brett Burton and senior assistant coach Scott Camporeale were victims of the internal and external reviews at the club.

Money paid to Burton, Camporeale and Pyke will fall under Adelaide’s football department soft cap, but in October chief executive Andrew Fagan said the club was prepared to go over and pay the tax to ensure its football program was not compromised.


From the Advertiser, 3rd March 2020



I recall Fagan in interview a few weeks after Pyke left saying they'd negotiate a payout. This was after initially saying there would be no payout.

At the time the assumption was that Pyke resigned. That he did in fact negotiate a payout tends to suggest he was pushed.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/teams/adelaide/adelaide-crows-have-released-their-financial-results-for-2019-recording-a-small-profit/news-story/0aa4b3718fa33e39ea13b3b62f9fd79b?amp

Was told it was quite the opposite. Pyke walked and Chapman and Fagan tried desperately to get him to stay. Pyke was one of the few who actually had some self-reflection on the whole thing and knew the trust between him and the playing group was broken and it wasn't going to be able to be repaired, as much as he tried through 2019 to do that.

 

[PeterSalt]

Was told it was quite the opposite. Pyke walked and Chapman and Fagan tried desperately to get him to stay. Pyke was one of the few who actually had some self-reflection on the whole thing and knew the trust between him and the playing group was broken and it wasn't going to be able to be repaired, as much as he tried through 2019 to do that.

Well yes, that was the narrative in the media immediately afterwards.

And I don't doubt that Fagan, at least, wasn't lying when he spoke that he wanted Pyke to stay.

I recall there was some talk of a negotiated settlement between Pyke and the club, after both Chapman and Fagan stated that there'd would be no payout.

Bit hard to know what's really true when both the CEO and Chairman openly lied in the media.