Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXV - 'Loopy' Season has begun

[HereComesJuddy]

Petty has the potential to be a gun, definitely wouldn't be calling him a gun just yet.

Agree to disagree

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Oliver, Bailey Smith

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Bailey Smith

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185cm

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86kg

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18.3

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8.5

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9.8

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2.3

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3.8

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2.7

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19.8

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9.6

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10.2

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1.8

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3.2

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3.2

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14.8

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7.6

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7.2

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2.0

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3.4

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1.6

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….& Papley is a stone Monty.

Load up the facxcsimile machine thingy.

 

[thegreatbeast]

Agree to disagree

So the third tall role or on the back of his handful of games in the forward line?

 

[tarczonandjane]

The message that Arr0w is trying to convey is that if Melbourne have identified Oliver as a pawn on their chessboard, he is only going somewhere if they can get a key forward in return.

Put it this way. Melbourne was less than a goal away from a preliminary final. Their glaring deficiency was a key forward. They are not getting rid of a gun player they have on a contract until 2030 unless it brings them closer to a flag.

So the question for us is pretty relevant. If we want Oliver, would we be prepared to trade Harry? It’s a no from me.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

So the third tall role or on the back of his handful of games in the forward line?

All I'm saying is, I doubt it's clear cut. I think the Demons fans wouldn't like to be losing both Oliver and Petty.

And I rate Petty highly.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

The message that Arr0w is trying to convey is that if Melbourne have identified Oliver as a pawn on their chessboard, he is only going somewhere if they can get a key forward in return.

Put it this way. Melbourne was less than a goal away from a preliminary final. Their glaring deficiency was a key forward. They are not getting rid of a gun player they have on a contract until 2030 unless it brings them closer to a flag.

So the question for us is pretty relevant. If we want Oliver, would we be prepared to trade Harry? It’s a no from me.

Melbourne want picks to try and get Harley Reid. I don't think they want a key forward from this Oliver rumour. Although no doubt they would like another key forward.

Harley Reid is what they are chasing and want draft picks to tempt the Eagles for pick 1

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Any trade with McKay in it makes us significantly worse

Trading Harry makes playing Pitt and TDK together more palatable. TDK plays as the forward who can ruck that I think he is. He could do for us what Daniher does for the Lions. I don't see the club trading Harry unless he wants out however.

 

[carlton_99]

Not so sure. Petty is a gun

Wouldn't provide us anything close to what McKay does as a partner to Curnow. His up the ground work is ridiculously important to us and Petty can't fill that hole

 

[carlton_99]

Trading Harry makes playing Pitt and TDK together more palatable. TDK plays as the forward who can ruck that I think he is. He could do for us what Daniher does for the Lions. I don't see the club trading Harry unless he wants out however.

I like Pittonet more than most but it isn't a good idea to trade Harry just so we can fit Pitt in the team.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Melbourne want picks to try and get Harley Reid. I don't think they want a key forward from this Oliver rumour. Although no doubt they would like another key forward.

Harley Reid is what they are chasing and want draft picks to tempt the Eagles for pick 1

Reckon they'll need the Suns pick 4 to go with their pick 5 to get it. Picks 4 and 5 for 1. Reckon West Coast jump on that.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

I like Pittonet more than most but it isn't a good idea to trade Harry just so we can fit Pitt in the team.

I like Pitt too, and still think he's number 1 ruck. In my perfect team, I struggle to fit TDK in, along with Charlie, Harry and Pitt. TDK IMO, doesn't fit as a third tall forward. But you have to play himin the 22 as Harry doesnt chop out in the ruck.

 

[luke livingston seagull]

it isn't a good idea to trade Harry

There we go

 

[Arr0w]

I rate Petty, really underrated

Tough, competes very well, really solid kick

If I was the Demons, keep playing him as a key forward with VR

Anyway, I want us to target a young KPD, a dynamic 3rd tall forward Gunstan/1AW type and a Zac Bailey

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Zac Bailey

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25

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182cm

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84kg

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12.7

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6.9

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5.9

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3.0

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2.2

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0.9

3star

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12.9

3star

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7.3

3star

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5.6

3star

M

3.9

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2.4

3star

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0.7

3star

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13.4

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6.6

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6.8

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3.2

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2.8

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0.6

3star

type

 

[carlton_99]

I like Pitt too, and still think he's number 1 ruck. In my perfect team, I struggle to fit TDK in, along with Charlie, Harry and Pitt. TDK IMO, doesn't fit as a third tall forward. But you have to play himin the 22 as Harry doesnt chop out in the ruck.

I think TDK showed enough in the back half of the year that he could take the number 1 ruck mantle and Pitt could become very solid depth. However, I still have no issue playing TDK/Pitt/McKay in the same team - my main issue arises when you throw JSOS into that mix because then I think it becomes too tall. Only 3 of those 4 can play in the same team most weeks imo

 

[TimeFor17]

Reckon they'll need the Suns pick 4 to go with their pick 5 to get it. Picks 4 and 5 for 1. Reckon West Coast jump on that.

Dunno if that would seal the deal for WC. They want Curtain. If Dees got Reid and Roos had 2&3 then North would take curtain at 2 or 3 as they need a young KPD. Roos probably would do it just out of spite for missing out on Reid.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Reckon they'll need the Suns pick 4 to go with their pick 5 to get it. Picks 4 and 5 for 1. Reckon West Coast jump on that.

It's tricky really. How much is 1 worth and is it/should it be worth a crazy amount.

Let's just take Carlton for instance (and no, I don't think this is happening, just spitballing).

Let's say Oliver actually agrees to leave Melbourne on the proviso it's only to Carlton. Oliver clearly is the one who can make this decision. Carlton say to Melbourne, here's pick 16 and you can have our 2024 1st and that's it...

Does Melbourne having picks 5, 13, 25 and Carlton's pick 16 and a future 1st get pick 1 if that's what the Dee's offered the Eagles? Surely it's close. A top 5 pick, 3 other 1st round picks and a 2nd rounder.

Maybe if the Dee's are so into Reid, they won't look at the Oliver trade in isolation but look at the trade period as a whole like clubs do but many supporters don't?

Shall be an interesting trade period Let's be honest

 

[Blue and Blue]

Voss might quit if they let Harry go. Wouldn't blame him either.

As if they would by the way. Its laughable really.
Yeah silly season is definitely here..............

 

[I bleed Blue]

With all due respect, I think this attitude could potentially see us stall.

I really hope we don’t become complacent and rest on our laurels.

The simple fact is that our list fell short this year and we need new talent to help us take the next step.

I see only two young players who are already on the list, who didn’t regularly play this year, who could come in to the side next year and potentially make an impact:
Binns
Carroll

The remainder still have a lot of development ahead of them OR, in my view, are unlikely to take a more senior player’s spot next year.

We must stay hungry & aggressive with our list management - even just two new additions (1 via the draft and another via trade/FA/DFA), in addition to the other two players aforementioned, could help us take the next step.

Not saying we won't make any moves.

We will likely get 1 or 2 targeted value trades. 3 draftees and the Irish boys.

I'm sure our list management team aren't taking it lightly at all.

Just saying as a supporter this is the first year my interest has been this low in years. Last decade we have had nothing else to look forward to, and not much else to bring us hope.

This year the way we played has brought hope. Our finals performance has given us something to look forward to.

Of course I'll follow the trade period. But interest is low compared to the last 10 years.

I trust Curly and the team to make the right moves.

 

[ferrisb]

First trade period in over a decade where I hardly care at all.

Our list is in great shape and we don't need someone to come in to put us in the window.

Were already in the window. Absolutely love it.

Equally loving it that I have paid no real attention to the draft thread until late September.

So refreshing!

 

[passmark]

First trade period in over a decade where I hardly care at all.

Our list is in great shape and we don't need someone to come in to put us in the window.

Were already in the window.

Absolutely love it.

IbB rn.

 

[ferrisb]

Not so sure. Petty is a gun

Is he though?

Up until this year Petty was a backup KPD. Nothing special. Borderline Melbourne best 22 (admittedly May and Lever a hard act to follow).

Dees swung him forward for most of the year. Aside from his 6 goal mauling of Richmond, he kicked 6 goals in 13 matches.

Not entirely sure what all the fuss is about...

 

[ferrisb]

Odds this ends in days of feverish F5ing...anyone?

I read the other day about 55% of trades get completed on the last day.

Makes the rest of trade month a complete waste of time.

Still, have ordered three new F5 keys just in case...

 

[ferrisb]

Reckon they'll need the Suns pick 4 to go with their pick 5 to get it. Picks 4 and 5 for 1. Reckon West Coast jump on that.

West Coast don't trade pick 1 unless they are extremely confident they can still get Curtin methinks...

 

[ctwenty1]

I read the other day about 55% of trades get completed on the last day.

Makes the rest of trade month a complete waste of time.

Still, have ordered three new F5 keys just in case...

you need the time to work out what the deals will be. The fact majority are done on the last day doesn’t mean the earlier time is not utilised.

I’ll hold off my order of F5’s until I know how many (and who) trades Carlton will be a. Part of

 

[ferrisb]

you need the time to work out what the deals will be. The fact majority are done on the last day doesn’t mean the earlier time is not utilised.

I’ll hold off my order of F5’s until I know how many (and who) trades Carlton will be a. Part of

I don't give a crap how long list managers need to negotiate...

I just want tradez every day!!!