List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2023

[Apex36]

Beams drafted in 2008 and GC didn’t enter comp until 2011, so don’t see how GC could possibly have claimed him.


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You should do a little bit of research then. A 5 second google search will give you the answer you seek.

 

[manicpie]

Here are some highlights.

It would be nice if he fell to us

 

[JuniorB]

We were considering Murphy as a first round pick whereas Begg is a rookie. You'd assume that Murphy was considered considerably more talented and likely than Begg to make it as an AFL player.

There's also the point that players develop at different rates, and Begg was obviously extremely raw in his draft year, so was only considered worth a punt as a rookie in the MSD.
If he works out, he would be another player to succeed at little cost.
Nick Maxwell was a rookie - I'm not saying he'll turn out like Nick, but at least he's got a chance.

 

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The one who I think would be both an absolute fit and gettable is LDU.

He’s already a really good player in a horrible team and would be a star in our system.

LDU would be about top of my list as a trade target.

 

[neilk]

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Phantom draft. The Hun- Chris Cavanagh

Not related to Hans, I take it.

 

[whiskeytown]

If they can give 5 years to Kelly…

then Begg (and Mcnahon before him) deserve 3 years to grow into their bodies a bit more

Otherwise no point Hine spending draft picks on raw talls

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Adelaide are delisting James Borlase to try and rookie list him - Is it worth trying to make an approach and see if we can sway him to come across?

He's a solid-bodied key defender with a few AFL games under his belt, and only just turned 21.

Could we pull a Hugh Greenwood

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Hugh Greenwood

Age

32

Ht

190cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.9

4star

K

8.8

3star

HB

8.1

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

6.8

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

17.4

4star

K

10.4

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

8.9

5star

CL

5.6

5star

D

16.4

4star

K

8.6

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

2.2

3star

T

7.6

5star

CL

4.4

5star

-esque heist?

 

[cityslick1]

Don’t recall anyone mentioning that.

He’s right, there were def some posts to this effect. Some refs to Revolver etc. made me curious at the time, but his impact to the culture has def been more positive than negative…. So all good!

 

[RobJD]

Adelaide are delisting James Borlase to try and rookie list him - Is it worth trying to make an approach and see if we can sway him to come across?

He's a solid-bodied key defender with a few AFL games under his belt, and only just turned 21.

Could we pull a Hugh Greenwood-esque heist?

Adelaide will pick before us in the Rookie Draft.

 

[Mick F]

It would be nice if he fell to us

There have been some very fine footballers wear the 23!

 

[Mick F]

LDU would be about top of my list as a trade target.

Will they take pick 33?

 

[cityslick1]

Here are some highlights.

Looks handy, even a bit of Steele about him. But it’s a crap shoot really for who’ll be available at your pick, and who we prefer at this stage, and right up to the draft no doubt….
Every phantom has us taking someone different

 

[Rusty Beam]

LDU would be about top of my list as a trade target.

Same. Just something about his burst from stoppage that I love.

Not sure we’ll have the trade capital to really chase someone of that calibre given we have traded out our future first. I’d think it would take a late top 10 pick.

 

[Anzacday]

Could we pull a Hugh Greenwood -esque heist?

Yes

Adelaide will pick before us in the Rookie Draft.

We pick him up before the draft

 

[sr36]

Yes

We pick him up before the draft

He's an SA boy. Doubt he'd be likely to sign with us.

If he did that with any club it'd probably be Port. His dad was a Port star, but he qualified as a cat B for Adelaide because he was born whilst his dad was working OS.

If he was any good port would have a crack big time.

 

[Kappa]

No, our club medicos gave the all clear to Murphy after he passed the concussion protocols. He started experiencing dizziness afterwards, aka delayed symptoms. Our doctors aren’t wizards, they can only do so much.

Didn’t Murphy say he can pass the test because he knows it off by heart? And that he had blurry vision immediately after the hit? (Concussion symptom)

Anyone with common sense would know that a player like Murphy with his concussion history getting smashed flush on the jaw and then collapsing on the turf and being unable to get up for a while… what’s the most likely outcome here?

The concussion test is clearly not reliable, so if our medicos are using it as their only measure that doesn’t really absolve them.

The fact Murphy, with blurry vision and clearly very unwell, was cleared to return to the field should raise major concerns.

 

[Kirby]

No, our club medicos gave the all clear to Murphy after he passed the concussion protocols. He started experiencing dizziness afterwards, aka delayed symptoms. Our doctors aren’t wizards, they can only do so much.

They didn't consult Dr Kappa - clear case of negligence.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Adelaide will pick before us in the Rookie Draft.

He'll be a delisted free agent. If we can make room on our senior list, the draft doesn't enter into it.

If he was any good port would have a crack big time.

Port just picked up Ratugolea and Zerk-Thatcher to bolster their backline - They may not have room for him.

 

[Kirby]

Didn’t Murphy say he can pass the test because he knows it off by heart? And that he had blurry vision immediately after the hit? (Concussion symptom)

Anyone with common sense would know that a player like Murphy with his concussion history getting smashed flush on the jaw and then collapsing on the turf and being unable to get up for a while… what’s the most likely outcome here?

The concussion test is clearly not reliable, so if our medicos are using it as their only measure that doesn’t really absolve them.

The fact Murphy, with blurry vision and clearly very unwell, was cleared to return to the field should raise major concerns.

On your last sentence, he said that he wasn't feeling unwell when he had the test (which he does know by heart) and he didn't have the blurry vision until after the test. That's when he came clean and he was ruled out.

Medical science isn't perfect and who said that the concussion test is the only thing that they rely upon? They would have checked pupil dilation for starters and various other physical tests.

If the symptom are delayed then they are delayed.

 

[Exambolor]

Lycett to retire, so will not be wasting a list spot on him

 

[Apex36]

Didn’t Murphy say he can pass the test because he knows it off by heart? And that he had blurry vision immediately after the hit? (Concussion symptom)

Anyone with common sense would know that a player like Murphy with his concussion history getting smashed flush on the jaw and then collapsing on the turf and being unable to get up for a while… what’s the most likely outcome here?

The concussion test is clearly not reliable, so if our medicos are using it as their only measure that doesn’t really absolve them.

The fact Murphy, with blurry vision and clearly very unwell, was cleared to return to the field should raise major concerns.

No, he said that he had blurry vision after the tests were over at the start of the second quarter, hence why he went back to the doctors and took himself out of the game.
If he’d had blurry vision immediately after the hit, he’d have told them and they’d have taken him out of the game immediately.
I know you love to think of yourself as some sort of self anointed expert on concussion, but you’re trying to criticise our medicos for the sake of it here. Get off your soapbox, take a seat and let the real doctors that the club employs make the calls on Murphy. They’re in a far better position to do so than you are.

 

[Daicosian silk]

Lycett to retire, so will not be wasting a list spot on him View attachment 1842438

Probably a good thing tbh

 

[Apex36]

Lycett to retire, so will not be wasting a list spot on him View attachment 1842438

Great news

 

[sr36]

They didn't consult Dr Kappa - clear case of negligence.

How do you explain them letting Murphy play in the first quarter and cop a hit to the head or letting McStay back on before he injured his knee?

 

[cfc19902010]

Lycett to retire, so will not be wasting a list spot on him View attachment 1842438

still haunts me along with that other donkey Vardy who both played above themselves big time in 2018 GF..