List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

[giantroo]

Spoiler: Confirmed Trades - Update - 11th October

Picks	Clubs	Result
Pick Trade	Brisbane & Richmond	Richmond receives Brisbane's 1R Pick (pick 20) Brisbane receives Richmond's 2R (32,42), 3R (43,45) Picks
Pick Trade	Carlton & Brisbane	Carlton receives Brisbane's R4 (73), 2025 R2 Pick Brisbane receives Carlton's R2(34), R4(66)
Pick Trade	Carlton & Hawthorn	Carlton receives Hawthorn's R1(14) pick Hawthorn receives Carlton's 2025 R1, R2 (tied to Carlton) picks

Brisbane trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 20) to Richmond for two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 32 and 42) and two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 43 and 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.

Carlton trade its 2024 Round 2 selection (currently 34) and 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 66) to Brisbane for its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 73) and 2025 Round 2 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.

Carlton trade its 2025 Round 1 selection and 2025 Round 2 selection (tied to Carlton) to Hawthorn for its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 14) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.

Player	Original Club	Trade/FA	New Club	Result
Isaac Cumming	GWS	UFA	Adelaide	End of Round 1 Compo (pick 21) to GWS
Josh Battle	St Kilda	UFA	Hawthorn	Round 1 Compo (Pick 8) to St.Kilda
Tom Campbell	St Kilda	DFA	Melbourne	No Compensation
Harry Perryman	GWS	UFA	Collingwood	Round 1 Compo (Pick 16) to GWS
Elliott Himmelberg	Adelaide	UFA	Gold Coast	No Compensation
Nick Haynes	GWS	UFA	Carlton	No Compensation
Alex Neal-Bullen	Melbourne	Trade	Adelaide	Round 2 Pick (28) to Melbourne
Jack Darling	West Coast	Trade	North Melbourne	Round 4 pick (68) to WCE
Jack Graham	Richmond	UFA	West Coast	End of Round 2 Compo (Pick 42) to Richmond

Spoiler: 2024 Draft Picks

 

[CURVE]

He wanted 2 years. We didn’t want to give 2 years and rightfully so. He couldn’t get on the park for us and he couldn’t at Collingwood either. It was a smart decision to let him go. We got a second round pick in return from memory as well.

Loyalty goes both ways. He was in his 30’s and was continually injured. He should have accepted a 1 year deal, but wanted security instead.


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The moment we "let" Wells go, we should have gone crawling back to Boomer and offered him a new contract.

 

[Hotham FC]

Could have played 500. No one will convince me otherwise.

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And would have seen a cooked Pendlebury retiring after his 400th instead of clinging on chasing the record.

 

[BlueandWhiteinmyBlood]

North give: Pick 2
North get: Pick 12, Pick 14, Jesse Motlop

My brother in Christ, how high are you?

 

[perplexed]

North give: Pick 2
North get: Pick 12, Pick 14, Jesse Motlop

That trade would look better without Jesse Motlop in it.

12 and 14 are both great picks in this draft, but we should want more than them for pick 2. Unfortunately Carlton have no other picks they can trade and I doubt they give us a player we'd want to make up the difference.

 

[Nutjob]

The moment we "let" Wells go, we should have gone crawling back to Boomer and offered him a new contract.

Nah….. We should have started our rebuild instead of procrastinating for a few years which made our inevitable rebuild twice as long.


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[spurs]

That trade would look better without Jesse Motlop in it.

12 and 14 are both great picks in this draft, but we should want more than them for pick 2. Unfortunately Carlton have no other picks they can trade and I doubt they give us a player we'd want to make up the difference.

I’d do 2 for 12,14 and Kennedy

 

[Roosurgence]

The Dogs want a top 10 pick for Bailey Smith.

To be fair if we still had Thomas on the list and we’re trying to offload him we would be asking for a top 10 pick.

Geelong just using every trick in the book to get him on the cheap.

 

[Roosurgence]

I think that if you focus on what he is trying to say then he has great analysis and is usually fair and passionate. But jeez he can be an effort to actually make his point sometimes.

I don’t mind Dermie, but gee the bloke loves the sound of his own voice.

 

[BrownPaperBag]

I don’t mind Dermie, but gee the bloke loves the sound of his own voice.

As opposed to any afl media type

 

[LB2Snake]

I don’t mind Dermie, but gee the bloke loves the sound of his own voice.

I hope if and when we draft Armstrong and Tauru that Dermie is the first bloke we call to come down and do some part time training with them.

 

[Loose_Cannon]

As opposed to any afl media type

Pretty sure even Kellie Underwood hates the sound of Kellie Underwood's voice

 

[ferball]

He was in the best form of the 4

Except boomer who was kicking averaging 21.5 disposals and 1.5 goals a game for the season.

At 38.

 

[Tas]

Now we aren't even being mentioned as a distant fourth option. Genuinely for the sake of both Rawlings and the club's dignity, pull our offer and move on. He's a great player and would be a wonderful get but is clearly not interested in playing for the club. Move on

No more "we're hoping to be involved". It's kind of sad

Yeah, pick 2 and a future 2nd should automatically see us out of the picture. Port is just sabotaging every possible trade because they didn't want to lose him. There is no point trying to trade with someone who isn't genuinely trying to trade someone. Houston signed the contract, Port don't have to trade him and they don't want to trade him, they are only going to let him go for something bonkers and we would be bonkers to pay it.

 

[ferball]

The one bit of list management buffoonery that doesn't get as much coverage was delisting Harvey, Petrie, Firrito, and Dal Santo without having Daniel Wells' signature on a new contract. Wellsy didn't get on the park as often as Collingwood would have liked but still, it remains a lesson in mismanagement. If you're going to cut deep into your leadership, make sure that the ones you want to keep are locked in.

In his last three years at Collingwood he played 15 games, 10 then 4 then one game in his last season and supposedly he got paid nearly twice as much per year as we were offering.

 

[CBSlogger]

Weird when media is in our corner.

Could have played 500. No one will convince me otherwise.

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2016: One of these was an AA small forward and the other was a delisted champion, apparently not worth keeping ahead of our 44th best player.



This will forever do my head in and be especially infuriating when someone eventually scrapes past Boomer's record, which he could easily have added at least another 40 more games to.

 

[ferball]

Clearly on my own here, but I love dermi. One of the few who breaks the game down properly and doesn’t play favourites with clubs.

He's all right. He's better than 90% of commentators and respects the players and the game.

Tho SMaturin was right on the money with that piss take.

 

[DesertRoo]

Could have played 500. No one will convince me otherwise.

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It’s something I could’ve accepted if we had someone to replace him with, we lost so much run and goal sense, that wasn’t replaced.

 

[Tas]

Not having Drew and Wells finish at North was unforgivable. Retiring Harvey was unforgivable and stupid.

Harvey could have played on, the problem was we had the oldest list in the AFL and Scott refused to play the kids if they weren't better than 200+ veterans, he literally told the club if you sign Boomer I am going to play him.

Everything was a symptom of holding on to Scott for too long who was coaching for his career, not the best thing for the club.

Wells was cooked, I said at the time I had more confidence in Boomer playing out the contract we offered him than Wells and he was underwhelming for Collingwood.

We had too much of a boys club mentality and we didn't have any senior players who were drivers of success, our captain had to pretty much apologise every third or fourth week for us not even putting up a fight. We were never coached to have the killer instinct, we never had it as a team back then and none of the veterans we developed imo would have done a better job getting more out of the younger players than what they themselves delivered.

Wherever you are currently is usually a process that has gone over 5 to 10 years. Some problems can't easily be fixed.

 

[ferball]

Harvey could have played on, the problem was we had the oldest list in the AFL and Scott refused to play the kids if they weren't better than 200+ veterans, he literally told the club if you sign Boomer I am going to play him.

Everything was a symptom of holding on to Scott for too long who was coaching for his career, not the best thing for the club.

Wells was cooked, I said at the time I had more confidence in Boomer playing out the contract we offered him than Wells and he was underwhelming for Collingwood.

We had too much of a boys club mentality and we didn't have any senior players who were drivers of success, our captain had to pretty much apologise every third or fourth week for us not even putting up a fight. We were never coached to have the killer instinct, we never had it as a team back then and none of the veterans we developed imo would have done a better job getting more out of the younger players than what they themselves delivered.

Wherever you are currently is usually a process that has gone over 5 to 10 years. Some problems can't easily be fixed.

What's really weird about that is from round 10 2015 we won 11 of 16 games and won the next/first nine games in 2016.

That's 20 of 25 games including the last nine. Do that in one season and you win the flag and win 18 games in the H&A and its considered a great season by any measure.

LOL.

 

[DuckYeah]

Inside info. George is no guarantee to stay.

 

[chubbspeterson]

Inside info. George is no guarantee to stay.

Wardlaw?

 

[DuckYeah]

Wardlaw?

Yep..

 

[JGreezy]

Inside info. George is no guarantee to stay.

He's under contract until 2026. If anyone loses any sleep over this now then they've got bigger issues.

 

[DuckYeah]

He's under contract until 2026. If anyone loses any sleep over this now then they've got bigger issues.

George.. watch this space

 

[JGreezy]

George.. watch this space

Are you saying he could be gone by Wednesday or in 2026? Because if you're saying 2026 then that's not a concern.