Training Pre season training

[gringo2011]

What do people make of Harry Boyd?

I'm tipping he is a big surprise and gives Ross a real dilemma where he might consider playing two Rucks.

I just hope that you are Harry Boyd. Only joking. Welcome aboard MarchingIn. Keep posting, we need some new blood.

 

[gringo2011]

There is a corner of the St Kilda locker room where untold riches and fortune are hidden. Let's call it The Hillburn Cavern. The four most important players to turn a promising team into a top 8 team next year all have lockers together nestled tightly between Hilly and Byrnes.

Steele was shaping to be an elite mid at one stage under Ratts, but his form plummeted after Ross came in for some mysterious reason. He started kicking a few goals late in the season and finished 2024 as one of our best performed players. He has still got potential to finish his career in a high and go out swinging. With Macrae and Carroll plus our rising stars Phillipou and Garcia helping out in the centre, he could get forward more and do more damage. One for now rather than later though.

Mitch Owens was talked of a year or so ago in the manner we have talked up any manner or potential messiahs, from Ross and Billings, to Gresham and Nas. Dynamic, explosing, bruising and unstoppable his higlights reel was so good it still has oppposition fans paying rare respect to the St Kilda samurai.

He had a poor 2024 and there's no hiding from that fact. Many have speculated about the reasons for that, but undoubtedly his onfield difficulties at least partly stemmed from an ugly kicking style, so it's great news that he's changing it and hopefully clunking a few more can build his confidence back to '23 levels where he was primed to rip the game apart. He's got time on his side unlike the other 3 on my list but he could just fade into the reaches of GOPland like the names I just listed, and so many more that we have too quickly put our hopes into without that spark, solid development, a level head and of course, so much luck.

Clark is an enigma. The sole representative remaining from our part of the literally star-studded 2017 (apart from our retrospective additions Dow and Higgins), he should be absolutely in his peak as an established midfielder twisting and turning like grease in the engine room, both everywhere and nowhere, slowing down time with his wily ambidextrocity in the way we watched young Jagga Smith in his pre-draft vids... and yet... he is far from that.

A fringe player with a dadbod and string arms (note to self: people in glass houses...) with low TOG and hardly any profile in the AFL at all. Is it the horrific injuries, a lack of hunger, or is he just not the player we thought he was when we picked him at pick 7? Who knows, but the bottom line is his career could either be over in a matter of months or he could finally deliver on the above-mentioned promise, and wouldn't it just be great for the Saints if it were the latter? His upturn in form could be so influential, it's agonising to wonder if we will succeed in unlocking it in the coming season. When Lenny Hayes returned to Moorabbin he cited Clark as the player he was most excited about tutoring. That was then, but if he can unlock the beast in Hunter, I'll build him a statue myself. I'm sceptical personally that he'll ever be more, but hope springs eternal.

But the big kahuna in N°12 is the main event. His first name and last name are synonymous with elite and his potential evolution into that bracket of key forwards could absolutely destroy any opposition. We have been waiting on Max King since before he was drafted, we dreamt for so long about the King twins ripping apart the AFL like some kind of mad wrestling spectacle, with every bag of 4+ goals we told ourselves that finally, he's going to do what Paddy McCartin promised to do, what Spencer White promised to do, what Tom Lee... alright that's too far, but you get my point!

Alas, a stray golf ball, a range of bad injuries and a lack of development have left us with an elephant in the room which i will now proclaim as if there were any doubt: our forward line functioned a he'll of a lot better when he left it late last season. Our forwards did what he was supposed to be doing, what we'd being crying out for him to do, and lo and behold inside 50s improved, marks inside 50 improved and our goal count moved from "abysmal" to "standard".

The promise of the real Max King still enticed us to lock him down to a contract most of the AFL landscape would describe as "suicidal" and dissuaded us from picking up any of the straight-up key forwards available in the most recent draft. We have that much faith in him we have literally thrown our lot in with him. Will he ever deliver? I wish I knew, but if he does deliver it must be now. He's put on size, he's had time out of the game to get back to full fitness and hopefully reflect on what he needs to do to evolve as a player in 2025. At his best, he will surpass his twin brother, surpass everyone and make us a top 4 team. Again, I hate myself for being sceptical but I fear he'll always be somewhat of a tease, more a Kosi than a Roo which would be a deep shame - but I hope very badly to be wrong.

Steele, Owens, Clark and King could be MVPs of St Kilda, even the AFL with the right development and a lot of luck. So far they haven't even got close. We have shifted our focus

Steele started this year flying. Probably his best season since he finished high in the Brownlow. I think it was the GWS game he jarred his knee and never looked right afterwards.

 

[StFly]

I think it’s almost alarm bell time for Henry’s knee. He did it in July and they still don’t have a timeline for him. Why can’t we have nice things.

I wouldn't be so sure, knees are wonderful things that carry oh so much.

Crouch I understand completely, degenerative and cartilage based = consistent pain, swelling, stiffness, sometimes bones just shift because movement things & muscles to lead to sharp stabbing pain. You know, generally a bad time all the time. For example; I can kneel down and have a % chance of not being to able to stand back up again because of just one knee with almost 0% padding and the mere flex registering as sharp stabbing pain with heat.

Henry, for all we know, just didn't rest it well enough or the body is taking its time to resolve the issues or some such and thus it didn't heal properly/permanently/other and they just went in for a "clean up" so more time off the legs required.

This is a high impact sport, so things need to be as 100% as you can. Now, if he sits out this incoming season, then you can panic that something is amiss and it's not just a random structural event that has a surgical cure.

 

[akaifu]

There is a corner of the St Kilda locker room where untold riches and fortune are hidden. Let's call it The Hillburn Cavern. The four most important players to turn a promising team into a top 8 team next year all have lockers together nestled tightly between Hilly and Byrnes.

Steele was shaping to be an elite mid at one stage under Ratts, but his form plummeted after Ross came in for some mysterious reason. He started kicking a few goals late in the season and finished 2024 as one of our best performed players. He has still got potential to finish his career in a high and go out swinging. With Macrae and Carroll plus our rising stars Phillipou and Garcia helping out in the centre, he could get forward more and do more damage. One for now rather than later though.

Mitch Owens was talked of a year or so ago in the manner we have talked up any manner or potential messiahs, from Ross and Billings, to Gresham and Nas. Dynamic, explosing, bruising and unstoppable his higlights reel was so good it still has oppposition fans paying rare respect to the St Kilda samurai.

He had a poor 2024 and there's no hiding from that fact. Many have speculated about the reasons for that, but undoubtedly his onfield difficulties at least partly stemmed from an ugly kicking style, so it's great news that he's changing it and hopefully clunking a few more can build his confidence back to '23 levels where he was primed to rip the game apart. He's got time on his side unlike the other 3 on my list but he could just fade into the reaches of GOPland like the names I just listed, and so many more that we have too quickly put our hopes into without that spark, solid development, a level head and of course, so much luck.

Clark is an enigma. The sole representative remaining from our part of the literally star-studded 2017 (apart from our retrospective additions Dow and Higgins), he should be absolutely in his peak as an established midfielder twisting and turning like grease in the engine room, both everywhere and nowhere, slowing down time with his wily ambidextrocity in the way we watched young Jagga Smith in his pre-draft vids... and yet... he is far from that.

A fringe player with a dadbod and string arms (note to self: people in glass houses...) with low TOG and hardly any profile in the AFL at all. Is it the horrific injuries, a lack of hunger, or is he just not the player we thought he was when we picked him at pick 7? Who knows, but the bottom line is his career could either be over in a matter of months or he could finally deliver on the above-mentioned promise, and wouldn't it just be great for the Saints if it were the latter? His upturn in form could be so influential, it's agonising to wonder if we will succeed in unlocking it in the coming season. When Lenny Hayes returned to Moorabbin he cited Clark as the player he was most excited about tutoring. That was then, but if he can unlock the beast in Hunter, I'll build him a statue myself. I'm sceptical personally that he'll ever be more, but hope springs eternal.

But the big kahuna in N°12 is the main event. His first name and last name are synonymous with elite and his potential evolution into that bracket of key forwards could absolutely destroy any opposition. We have been waiting on Max King since before he was drafted, we dreamt for so long about the King twins ripping apart the AFL like some kind of mad wrestling spectacle, with every bag of 4+ goals we told ourselves that finally, he's going to do what Paddy McCartin promised to do, what Spencer White promised to do, what Tom Lee... alright that's too far, but you get my point!

Alas, a stray golf ball, a range of bad injuries and a lack of development have left us with an elephant in the room which i will now proclaim as if there were any doubt: our forward line functioned a he'll of a lot better when he left it late last season. Our forwards did what he was supposed to be doing, what we'd being crying out for him to do, and lo and behold inside 50s improved, marks inside 50 improved and our goal count moved from "abysmal" to "standard".

The promise of the real Max King still enticed us to lock him down to a contract most of the AFL landscape would describe as "suicidal" and dissuaded us from picking up any of the straight-up key forwards available in the most recent draft. We have that much faith in him we have literally thrown our lot in with him. Will he ever deliver? I wish I knew, but if he does deliver it must be now. He's put on size, he's had time out of the game to get back to full fitness and hopefully reflect on what he needs to do to evolve as a player in 2025. At his best, he will surpass his twin brother, surpass everyone and make us a top 4 team. Again, I hate myself for being sceptical but I fear he'll always be somewhat of a tease, more a Kosi than a Roo which would be a deep shame - but I hope very badly to be wrong.

Steele, Owens, Clark and King could be MVPs of St Kilda, even the AFL with the right development and a lot of luck. So far they haven't even got close. We fans have shifted our focus to other players as our expectation fades (with the exception of Mitch) but it wouldn't take much more than a few good games for us to believe again.

Steele just needs to stay fully fit and as you said, have some sort of support

Elite start to the year before the knee knock derailed his season, would’ve been very close to AA40 imo

Last year was because he slimmed down too much in pre-season and lost his contest ability. Regained it in 2024

 

[Rogue Warrior]

There is a corner of the St Kilda locker room where untold riches and fortune are hidden. Let's call it The Hillburn Cavern. The four most important players to turn a promising team into a top 8 team next year all have lockers together nestled tightly between Hilly and Byrnes.

Steele was shaping to be an elite mid at one stage under Ratts, but his form plummeted after Ross came in for some mysterious reason. He started kicking a few goals late in the season and finished 2024 as one of our best performed players. He has still got potential to finish his career in a high and go out swinging. With Macrae and Carroll plus our rising stars Phillipou and Garcia helping out in the centre, he could get forward more and do more damage. One for now rather than later though.

Mitch Owens was talked of a year or so ago in the manner we have talked up any manner or potential messiahs, from Ross and Billings, to Gresham and Nas. Dynamic, explosing, bruising and unstoppable his higlights reel was so good it still has oppposition fans paying rare respect to the St Kilda samurai.

He had a poor 2024 and there's no hiding from that fact. Many have speculated about the reasons for that, but undoubtedly his onfield difficulties at least partly stemmed from an ugly kicking style, so it's great news that he's changing it and hopefully clunking a few more can build his confidence back to '23 levels where he was primed to rip the game apart. He's got time on his side unlike the other 3 on my list but he could just fade into the reaches of GOPland like the names I just listed, and so many more that we have too quickly put our hopes into without that spark, solid development, a level head and of course, so much luck.

Clark is an enigma. The sole representative remaining from our part of the literally star-studded 2017 (apart from our retrospective additions Dow and Higgins), he should be absolutely in his peak as an established midfielder twisting and turning like grease in the engine room, both everywhere and nowhere, slowing down time with his wily ambidextrocity in the way we watched young Jagga Smith in his pre-draft vids... and yet... he is far from that.

A fringe player with a dadbod and string arms (note to self: people in glass houses...) with low TOG and hardly any profile in the AFL at all. Is it the horrific injuries, a lack of hunger, or is he just not the player we thought he was when we picked him at pick 7? Who knows, but the bottom line is his career could either be over in a matter of months or he could finally deliver on the above-mentioned promise, and wouldn't it just be great for the Saints if it were the latter? His upturn in form could be so influential, it's agonising to wonder if we will succeed in unlocking it in the coming season. When Lenny Hayes returned to Moorabbin he cited Clark as the player he was most excited about tutoring. That was then, but if he can unlock the beast in Hunter, I'll build him a statue myself. I'm sceptical personally that he'll ever be more, but hope springs eternal.

But the big kahuna in N°12 is the main event. His first name and last name are synonymous with elite and his potential evolution into that bracket of key forwards could absolutely destroy any opposition. We have been waiting on Max King since before he was drafted, we dreamt for so long about the King twins ripping apart the AFL like some kind of mad wrestling spectacle, with every bag of 4+ goals we told ourselves that finally, he's going to do what Paddy McCartin promised to do, what Spencer White promised to do, what Tom Lee... alright that's too far, but you get my point!

Alas, a stray golf ball, a range of bad injuries and a lack of development have left us with an elephant in the room which i will now proclaim as if there were any doubt: our forward line functioned a he'll of a lot better when he left it late last season. Our forwards did what he was supposed to be doing, what we'd being crying out for him to do, and lo and behold inside 50s improved, marks inside 50 improved and our goal count moved from "abysmal" to "standard".

The promise of the real Max King still enticed us to lock him down to a contract most of the AFL landscape would describe as "suicidal" and dissuaded us from picking up any of the straight-up key forwards available in the most recent draft. We have that much faith in him we have literally thrown our lot in with him. Will he ever deliver? I wish I knew, but if he does deliver it must be now. He's put on size, he's had time out of the game to get back to full fitness and hopefully reflect on what he needs to do to evolve as a player in 2025. At his best, he will surpass his twin brother, surpass everyone and make us a top 4 team. Again, I hate myself for being sceptical but I fear he'll always be somewhat of a tease, more a Kosi than a Roo which would be a deep shame - but I hope very badly to be wrong.

Steele, Owens, Clark and King could be MVPs of St Kilda, even the AFL with the right development and a lot of luck. So far they haven't even got close. We fans have shifted our focus to other players as our expectation fades (with the exception of Mitch) but it wouldn't take much more than a few good games for us to believe again.

Jeez chat GPT is impressive

 

[austinnn]

Jeez chat GPT is impressive

I am beside myself with fury that you have flattened me with this hideous appellation

 

[Ricmel]

We do build these boys up to fail.

Noooo......I always find these Pre Season threads balanced, rational and insightful. Sure you could take any Saints Pre Season thread from the last 10 years and simply copy and paste it into the next year but that is because we are always just about to launch, no other team in the AFL is going to improve from the previous year and players that for years have been B- are going to become A+.

Until they don't.

 

[dudeintheswamp]

I am beside myself with fury that you have flattened me with this hideous appellation

Couldn't help meself...

View attachment Label Me.mp3

 

[saintmike65]

I think it’s almost alarm bell time for Henry’s knee. He did it in July and they still don’t have a timeline for him. Why can’t we have nice things.

It’s 3 months until round 1…no alarm bells yet!

 

[True Believer]

Noooo......I always find these Pre Season threads balanced, rational and insightful. Sure you could take any Saints Pre Season thread from the last 10 years and simply copy and paste it into the next year but that is because we are always just about to launch, no other team in the AFL is going to improve from the previous year and players that for years have been B- are going to become A+.

Until they don't.

That's not entirely true.


You do have to update some of the names.



As ChatGPT has done in Austinnn's post above..........

 

[Broski]

Sliding Doors

IF... Hunter Clark shaves his balding head

THEN... he wins the Brownlow and the Saints win the flag

 

[dudeintheswamp]

Sliding Doors

IF... Hunter Clark shaves his balding head

THEN... he wins the Brownlow and the Saints win the flag

 

[Joffaboy]

Noooo......I always find these Pre Season threads balanced, rational and insightful. Sure you could take any Saints Pre Season thread from the last 10 years and simply copy and paste it into the next year but that is because we are always just about to launch, no other team in the AFL is going to improve from the previous year and players that for years have been B- are going to become A+.

Until they don't.

Thats why it is important to read the various training reports. I think they are balanced, don't think anyone thinks who do them that we are winning the comp next year.
It should be more to do with the younger kids and how they are developing. Take Keeler for example, a couple of track watchers have said he looks more filled out and has been a bit more prominent in training drills, but so has Heath and Boyd has been added to the list.
The caveat is that all is training drills, no opposition, and specific things are being worked on. And it is all opinion. Some think Hall is close to seniors, I dont see any difference between him, Carroll and Hall for example.

Haven't seen anyone reporting on training saying someone going from B- to A+, what most are looking for is natural development in their game. The only players I see going to A+ could be Phillipou, NAZ, and Macrae who has already been A+ and we hope he gets there again.
why do you think anybody believes no other team will improve next year? Teams go up and down the ladder every year. What we should be looking for is the overall improvement of the team under Lyon for the third year with the players he wanted, and the improvement doesn't have to be quantum, basically what we need to be a top eight team is a good run with injury. We all saw what we could do once a few of our solid cits like Dow, Jones and Clark did in the last two months of the season.
Understandable to be cynical, but I take all this 'Keeler has to play' and 'Henry is gone with his knee' etc with a huge handful of salt, we are a young mid table team at present that hopes their kids come on and develop into a top four team in the next couple of years, nothing more nothing less.

 

[Half Back Pocket]

The Updated Preseason “They’re Flying” XXIII

B: Webster - Wilkie - Schoenmaker
HB: Wang.-Mil. - Howard - Sinclair
C: Hill - Phillipou - Wood
HF: Wilson - King - Owens
F: Keeler - Sharman - Higgins
Foll: Marshall - Steele - Macrae

Int (from): Garcia Windhager Clark Byrnes Jones Butler Collard Barrat McLennan Hall Carroll O’Connell Said​

How many XXIII's you reckon you've done?

 

[Barrels]

How many XXIII's you reckon you've done?

Over how long?

Hundreds, most likely.

 

[Barrels]

Sliding Doors

IF... Hunter Clark shaves his balding head

THEN... he wins the Brownlow and the Saints win the flag

You’re not seriously objecting to the receding mullet, are you?

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Couldn't help meself...

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For those who didn’t want to read Austinnns long post.

View attachment Austinnns big post.mp3

 

[TheCalves]

Not so sure. He had surgery in September I think. It's frustrating but let's see how it unfolds now he's running again.

I presume the injury is similar to Quarterback JJ McCarthy in the NFL. Significant meniscus damage that required surgery and ruled him out for the NFL season.

NFL is a lot more transparent with injuries, so I would have a read of that injury to give you more of an idea in terms of timeline.

 

[Veer Right]

And it is all opinion. Some think Hall is close to seniors, I dont see any difference between him, Carroll and Hall for example.

Understandable to be cynical, but I take all this 'Keeler has to play'

Hall and Keeler have had glowing remarks for a while now yet struggled to be impactful at VFL level in 2024.

Hall was carrying an injury and Keelers a young beenpole coming on so they get a pass.

I would be happy in 2025 if they could tear some games up in the reserves and put their hands up for senior selection.

Senior talk at the moment is premature and another meh year would see either as delisting material.

 

[Barrels]

There is a corner of the St Kilda locker room where untold riches and fortune are hidden. Let's call it The Hillburn Cavern. The four most important players to turn a promising team into a top 8 team next year all have lockers together nestled tightly between Hilly and Byrnes.

Steele was shaping to be an elite mid at one stage under Ratts, but his form plummeted after Ross came in for some mysterious reason. He started kicking a few goals late in the season and finished 2024 as one of our best performed players. He has still got potential to finish his career in a high and go out swinging. With Macrae and Carroll plus our rising stars Phillipou and Garcia helping out in the centre, he could get forward more and do more damage. One for now rather than later though.

Mitch Owens was talked of a year or so ago in the manner we have talked up any manner or potential messiahs, from Ross and Billings, to Gresham and Nas. Dynamic, explosing, bruising and unstoppable his higlights reel was so good it still has oppposition fans paying rare respect to the St Kilda samurai.

He had a poor 2024 and there's no hiding from that fact. Many have speculated about the reasons for that, but undoubtedly his onfield difficulties at least partly stemmed from an ugly kicking style, so it's great news that he's changing it and hopefully clunking a few more can build his confidence back to '23 levels where he was primed to rip the game apart. He's got time on his side unlike the other 3 on my list but he could just fade into the reaches of GOPland like the names I just listed, and so many more that we have too quickly put our hopes into without that spark, solid development, a level head and of course, so much luck.

Clark is an enigma. The sole representative remaining from our part of the literally star-studded 2017 (apart from our retrospective additions Dow and Higgins), he should be absolutely in his peak as an established midfielder twisting and turning like grease in the engine room, both everywhere and nowhere, slowing down time with his wily ambidextrocity in the way we watched young Jagga Smith in his pre-draft vids... and yet... he is far from that.

A fringe player with a dadbod and string arms (note to self: people in glass houses...) with low TOG and hardly any profile in the AFL at all. Is it the horrific injuries, a lack of hunger, or is he just not the player we thought he was when we picked him at pick 7? Who knows, but the bottom line is his career could either be over in a matter of months or he could finally deliver on the above-mentioned promise, and wouldn't it just be great for the Saints if it were the latter? His upturn in form could be so influential, it's agonising to wonder if we will succeed in unlocking it in the coming season. When Lenny Hayes returned to Moorabbin he cited Clark as the player he was most excited about tutoring. That was then, but if he can unlock the beast in Hunter, I'll build him a statue myself. I'm sceptical personally that he'll ever be more, but hope springs eternal.

But the big kahuna in N°12 is the main event. His first name and last name are synonymous with elite and his potential evolution into that bracket of key forwards could absolutely destroy any opposition. We have been waiting on Max King since before he was drafted, we dreamt for so long about the King twins ripping apart the AFL like some kind of mad wrestling spectacle, with every bag of 4+ goals we told ourselves that finally, he's going to do what Paddy McCartin promised to do, what Spencer White promised to do, what Tom Lee... alright that's too far, but you get my point!

Alas, a stray golf ball, a range of bad injuries and a lack of development have left us with an elephant in the room which i will now proclaim as if there were any doubt: our forward line functioned a he'll of a lot better when he left it late last season. Our forwards did what he was supposed to be doing, what we'd being crying out for him to do, and lo and behold inside 50s improved, marks inside 50 improved and our goal count moved from "abysmal" to "standard".

The promise of the real Max King still enticed us to lock him down to a contract most of the AFL landscape would describe as "suicidal" and dissuaded us from picking up any of the straight-up key forwards available in the most recent draft. We have that much faith in him we have literally thrown our lot in with him. Will he ever deliver? I wish I knew, but if he does deliver it must be now. He's put on size, he's had time out of the game to get back to full fitness and hopefully reflect on what he needs to do to evolve as a player in 2025. At his best, he will surpass his twin brother, surpass everyone and make us a top 4 team. Again, I hate myself for being sceptical but I fear he'll always be somewhat of a tease, more a Kosi than a Roo which would be a deep shame - but I hope very badly to be wrong.

Steele, Owens, Clark and King could be MVPs of St Kilda, even the AFL with the right development and a lot of luck. So far they haven't even got close. We fans have shifted our focus to other players as our expectation fades (with the exception of Mitch) but it wouldn't take much more than a few good games for us to believe again.

“Not even close” is a stretch for Steele.

He’s got an equal third place finish in the Brownlow under his belt, after all, and is a two-time All-Australian.

 

[SaintWrld]

Hall and Keeler have had glowing remarks for a while now yet struggled to be impactful at VFL level in 2024.

Hall was carrying an injury and Keelers a young beenpole coming on so they get a pass.

I would be happy in 2025 if they could tear some games up in the reserves and put their hands up for senior selection.

Senior talk at the moment is premature and another meh year would see either as delisting material.

Gee whiz you don’t think these two were impactful at VFL level and are delisting material? I watched every single VFL game and attended a few and couldn’t disagree more.
Keeler regularly outperformed senior player Cordy in defence despite never playing there before. 21 disp 9 Marks in round 5 and a 10 Mark game as a key defender in round 14. Then swung forward and won the game off his own boot in round 17, 6 goals from last 4 games despite horrendous weather in most of them. Was a very impressive development year and should have debuted.
And Halls 19 disposal 3 goal game in round 12 was impactful enough for me, ended up travelling emergency for the seniors despite battling injury and a lack of midfield time.
I would be delisting 8-10 others before looking at these two.

 

[akaifu]

Hall and Keeler have had glowing remarks for a while now yet struggled to be impactful at VFL level in 2024.

Hall was carrying an injury and Keelers a young beenpole coming on so they get a pass.

I would be happy in 2025 if they could tear some games up in the reserves and put their hands up for senior selection.

Senior talk at the moment is premature and another meh year would see either as delisting material.

I don't think its premature at all

We saw Caminiti come straight in weeks after being signed

Hastie and Collard also surprising early debutants - clearly the boss wants to expose the kids to senior level early in the year to help with their development later in the year

Every pre-season we have multiple injuries. Hopefully its different this year, but if not, we have plenty of young guys who look like they can step in and fill a role

 

[MarchingIn]

If Ross plays two rucks, it'd be because he wants to, not because Boyd game him a dilemma

Disagree. Ross wouldn't play two Rucks if the second Ruck isnt very good.
He wouldn't carry a liability.
He would play two if the second is a good player who is best 22 on talent

 

[BrutThough]

Gee whiz you don’t think these two were impactful at VFL level and are delisting material? I watched every single VFL game and attended a few and couldn’t disagree more.
Keeler regularly outperformed senior player Cordy in defence despite never playing there before. 21 disp 9 Marks in round 5 and a 10 Mark game as a key defender in round 14. Then swung forward and won the game off his own boot in round 17, 6 goals from last 4 games despite horrendous weather in most of them. Was a very impressive development year and should have debuted.
And Halls 19 disposal 3 goal game in round 12 was impactful enough for me, ended up travelling emergency for the seniors despite battling injury and a lack of midfield time.
I would be delisting 8-10 others before looking at these two.

Either player was rarely listed in the best players for Sandy. That is a good indication that they didnt have regular impact in their VFL performances.

And fact is both are out of contract at the end of next season so it's very accurate to say they are good chances to be delisted if they have meh years.

 

[bwardi]

Anyone get down to training?