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I think we want all the old guys to play for as long as they can. What we need is experience and Murphy does add class and carry along with experience.

I am pretty sure no one is suggesting we have depth. We don't even have a 22 yet let alone any depth. We probably have about 4 or 6 players now and need another 12 or so (hopefully they are already on the list but to early to tell). Any talk of depth is crazy talk

I really think if port had pick 1, they would draft Walsh. Best prospect by some distance I would suggest. Good kid and is all class. Zero go-home factor; total pro.

Surely fading out of games is a sign of a young list? Obviously the sacking of the fitness coach is a strong sign but fading out of games is probably more to do with the age demographic?

Sorry if this is a dumb question but what makes you think we were not optimally prepared in 2018?

Again, I really hope you are right but there were at least 10 games last year where we were non-competitive. I think 4 wins for 2019, 8 wins in 2020, and finals in 2021. Am I being to pessimistic?

6-8 wins would be pretty epic I think. Obviously we are in transition but 6-8 wins would put us a year ahead of where I think we are. I hope you are a better judge than I am!!!!

Improve significantly? What does that mean? I would be happy with 4 wins next year with big steps made by say 6 of our young guys. Is anyone more bullish than that? 8 wins would be over-achieving in my view?

Depends on what you consider to be A-Grade. Depends on what you consider to be A-Grade. One definition might be in the top 5 players in the AFL. Another might be at least three time All Australian. Either way, this is a very subjective discussion.

Because of the game Carlton play, poor disposal hurts us more than pretty much all teams other than WCE and Hawthorn. Ed’s disposal is not that bad and if he played for Rich or Coll you would not really notice it.

I am with you buddy. If Dorodo ****s this up, it will be nearly as funny as the drug years.

Sure, but the reasons for not trading Pick 1 are even more obvious. We have no idea what we have yet. In the ages between 18-23 (where our premierships will come from) we only have Paddy Cripps, MM (just joined), Docherty, and perhaps Charlie Curnow and Fisher. The jury is out on pretty much...

Guys, Don't overplay the SA angle. If Port or Cows had pick one, they would draft Walsh.

Not sure why you guys think you lost the Gibbs trade. Had you finished where everyone expected you to finish this year, it would have been a good deal for both clubs. One top 10 plus a late 1st round pick plus AFC’s 2nd (should have been pretty much a third if you had finished where expected)...

See the post I quoted!!

For what it is worth, plenty on the CFC board think we overpaid. So I guess if some of you guys think you got shafted, it was probably a fair deal. From the start, I read (and I know it is just journalists), that AFC valued him between 10 and 15 and CFC valued him between 15 and 20. Sounds like...

Pretty sure we all agree you are not going to get next years first for MM. He is a nice player but not going to be potentially pick 1. I am still not sure how this gets done but it wont involve a very high end pick. Somewhere between 10-20 seems right?

Well, Pick 12 does sound about right for MM. He is a class act and still young so 12 sounds about right. Obviously Carlton don't have pick 12 so will need to somehow get a pick in those early teens. Two early second round picks could come into play but I think it will be Carlton who need to...

Well, my uneducated view is that the coaches must know what "type" of player they want but the recruiters know "who" to recruit. Seems unlikely that a coach would have any idea about the who but surely they must say, "midfielders this year please". Of course, not sure what happens when the...

Do head-coaches really not have much say in who is drafted? Coaches are clearly a pretty significant stake-holder in who comes into their team so it strikes me that the coaches and recruiters would have a consensus based approach to who to draft. Obviously, I have heard this many times before...

Hey Guys, just want to thank you all for this awesome thread. The work that has gone into the original post and the effort in prosecuting the case is pretty amazing. I have no time (nor interest) in acquiring this information but I really appreciate the people who do. The OP has the most...

Hahahaha.......You tell them that!!!

Curnow to the midfield and Harry up forward?

Is that like spooning?

Really?? Ummm, I thought football was a team game? Difficult to decompose that down to particular individuals without knowing what their roles were. Obviously, things like turn-overs and poor skill execution sits on the individual but It is difficult to comment on the effectiveness of a...

Firstly, ignoring your condescension, if you are going to tell someone they don't understand something, you really do need to come up with something that shows that you have at least some understanding of the topic. Whilst I agree that Sheedy did not manage Kickett's expectations as well as he...

While Sheedy's justification does not ring true; I find it hard to believe that Kickett was some pawn in a fictitious mind game that Sheedy was playing with Parkin, I think the way that Kickett has conducted himself since being dropped, along with poor form, really is the reason why he was...

To be fair, there is a lot still to be exposed about Carlton. We have high hopes for a number of players on our list but of the younger guys, it is only Doc, Cripps and Weitering who have any real exposed form. There are a whole bunch of players who have work to do and who I expect to come on...

Gibbs is pretty good.

If this is about re-ranking players in the draft based on what we now know, I suspect most clubs would still take Boyd at #1. For a 21 year old key forward, he is tracking beautifully. If this is just about who has performed better so far then it is probably a bit premature.