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My point though is that with an 18 team competition, if your expecting multiple premierships every decade then your just going to be eternally disappointed.

perhaps we've all just severely overestimated the squad's talent in relation to the rest of the competition; perhaps partly because of the unexpected success in 2008 and the raw talent of franklin, rioli, roughead. And to those moping about "lost years" with this list, well at least we've...

Re: 2012 Fixture Hawthorn's draw epitomizes how inept the AFL fixture has become. Hawthorn play just 3 away matches interstate next year; which is a massive advantage when other teams have to play 5-6. Each Victorian club should play 5 away games against interstate clubs (exactly...

Re: 2012 Fixture yet again those clowns have scheduled essendon v hawthorn at etihad despite the equivalent game this year attracting 64,000 at the 'g. not to mention its a friday night so MCG is certainly available. And one of Essendon's home games at the 'g is against Melbourne :/ If...

Only one Hawthorn identity should be exalted more than Leigh Matthews and John Kennedy and that is Don Scott for saving the Brown and Gold. So whatever he says, I'm all for it!

1. Collingwood 2. Hawthorn 3. Carlton 4. Geelong 5. Fremantle 6. West Coast 7. Sydney 8. Melbourne Grand Final: Hawthorn v Geelong Premiers: Hawthorn Brownlow: who cares fluke award Coleman: Franklin

perhaps if hawthorn recruited fev they might play franklin on the wing like richo in 2008 or ablett snr in the late 80's

i haven't heard that rumor could you elaborate?

Well, not really. Because Melbourne's triple premierships came in the opening years of the war and the 1948 flag came immediately after it when the competition was seriously depleted for obvious reasons. Essendon were clearly the dominant team in the VFL from the mid 40's through to 1951; the...

Geelong circa 2004-2011 has now undoubtedly become one of the greatest teams of all time; alongside Collingwood of 1925-1930, Essendon 1946-1951, Melbourne 1954-1964, Richmond 1967-1975, Hawthorn 1983-1991 and Brisbane Lions 1999-2004. In terms of the AFL era post 1989, its certainly between...

But once you include players that slide or slip on their boots of course he's relegated to about 10th.

interesting that both saturday night callers are contracted to call saturday afternoon games on radio for the next 3 years.

pick 24 + Clinton Young for Gunston and pick 71 (unlikely to be used by Adelaide if they gain 24 and a pick from Richmond for Maric; while it maintains the status quo for Hawthorn's number of picks in the first 4 rounds)

Agree that none of the players from the Sydney game really warranted being dropped. But of those 22 players, i don't think it was advantageous to select Suckling as the substitute; he either should have been a starting player or omitted for Breust/Savage. i don't understand this sentiment. If...

A lot of vitriol directed at Bateman and Schoenmakers but I think Osborne's getting off lightly i thought he had very little influence

Amazing how we lost so narrowly in a prelim having led all night and clearly were the better team and yet i'mm really not that shattered and very proud of the players and the club last night. Fantastic performance; they looked so hungry, so desperate, so determined and i don't think they looked...

Fantastic year by Hawthorn and a cracking performance tonight we should all be very proud of the club's efforts. Just thought i'd note one aspect i think Hawthorn really stuffed up in September; the sub. Throughout the year, it appeared as though Hawthorn had mastered the new rule by...

Without "nerds" humanity would still be living in caves... not sure what the animosity to the intelligentsia of society is about; certainly rather them than bogans and bums

anymore barcodes (adult or concession is fine) available? need one for my companion lol :)

Re: Hawks vs Pies - Preliminary Final - Changes & Discussion Really hoping Breust plays against Collingwood; not sure who should come out though :O

Re: Hawks vs Sydney Swans (Semi Final) don't know why people still suggest dropping whitecross :/ . he's clearly been a top 18 player this year and will undoubtedly hold his spot through finals.

big deal. it could be a lot, lot worse.

could not agree more. it was the experienced midfielders that let us down the most by not giving the defenders sufficient protection. At one stage in the second quarter I think the clearances were 1-8 geelong's way; thats just not good enough from a midfield of Mitchell, Hodge, Sewell, Lewis...

Re: Bring on Fevola no to fev. if franklin's out next year and replaced by him at FF i'd have to put my membership on hold

its amazing the affect one injury can have on the team, predictions, finals hopes and most importantly; the morale of supporters :( i barely care about the rest of season 2011 just totally concerned about the injury

Re: Where are you siitting Geelong Vs Hawthorn? M54; which i think is a geelong section :/

Re: Finals Ticketing Info Q&A - Post Everything to do with them in here does anyone know if its possible to buy tickets using hawthorn and geelong memberships in the same transaction?

what if riewoldt kicks 13 today :/

Re: Qualifying Final #2 - Hawthorn v Geelong - Discussion Thread FB: Guerra - Gibson - Puopolo HB: Birchall - Schoenmakers - Murphy Ce: Smith - Mitchell - Lewis HF: Whitecross - Franklin - Burgoyne FF: Rioli - Hale - Breust Ru: Bailey RR: Hodge Ro: Sewell I/C: Shiels, Osborne...

thats the arrangement for the h&a season - might be different for finals.