Mega Thread #14 David Mackay - 14 possessions again

[Deaneus!]

Next preseason if Pyke gets a boxing ring, puts MacKay in the blue corner Erin Phillips in the red corner and a sherrin in the middle of the ring. Give them a countdown to go in hard and get the pill, who are you betting on getting the ball?

I immediately assumed Erin would get it.

Cripes.

 

[StonesThrow]

I do feel sorry for Mackay. He has some serious courage to keep paying afl footy after getting smashed contest after contest. His body size has never been up to it and that's not his fault. It's odd that coaches have never picked up in this though.

Played some decent games early but has been poo ever since.

Poor guy gets a lot of shit on here but he keeps cracking in. His courage is overlooked simply because he is rendered ineffective every time he gets body contact.

 

[Ramify]

Next preseason if Pyke gets a boxing ring, puts MacKay in the blue corner Erin Phillips in the red corner and a sherrin in the middle of the ring. Give them a countdown to go in hard and get the pill, who are you betting on getting the ball?

Erin every day of the week for me. It's an indictment on DMack & the team. We need to be harder at it, everyone on the list needs to be able to play one on one tough, hard footy, stick tackles and take tackles, if you can't, go back to the SANFL until you can.

Starts with MacKay but applies to the whole list, it's what wins finals.

Imagine what Chelsea Randall would do with him.

 

[TexanKnights]

Mackay has zero physical impact in a contest players walk through him and have done for years. If he had natural aggression it would even out his size in a contest but he hasn't.

Being smashed at contests year after year would have destroyed any confidence he had to begin with and he goes to water when the heats on skirting packs and jumps in last

Maybe the AFC think he's Peter Matera ****ed if I know

 

[texanmike]

Mackay will continue to be selected until the AFC thinks we have someone in replacement to "play his role" which supposedly is "run and carry"...it is as clear as day they do not believe we have a player that can do what he supposedly does week in week out...heres hoping for a new line breaker anytime soon.......just piss him off already and give a young kid a go, so furious at pyke and selection co, enough is enough....

 

[Scorpus]

Mackay will continue to be selected until the AFC thinks we have someone in replacement to "play his role" which supposedly is "run and carry"...it is as clear as day they do not believe we have a player that can do what he supposedly does week in week out...heres hoping for a new line breaker anytime soon.......just piss him off already and give a young kid a go, so furious at pyke and selection co, enough is enough....

We have six line breakers in the squad already for ****s sake. Smith, Milera, Knight, Cameron, Atkins and Seedsman. Throw in Hampton as well. How the flying dick could one of these seven players not do exactly what he does

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I have even less faith in our selector's ability to drop him than I do in Mackay's play

 

[huludicidal]

Are we still sponsored by Moo Yoghurt?

Maybe they only pump the money in if their man plays 20 games a year?

 

[Archie87]

Mackay will continue to be selected until the AFC thinks we have someone in replacement to "play his role" which supposedly is "run and carry"...it is as clear as day they do not believe we have a player that can do what he supposedly does week in week out...heres hoping for a new line breaker anytime soon.......just piss him off already and give a young kid a go, so furious at pyke and selection co, enough is enough....

Except he rarely breaks lines either - the club is stuck in 2009 when we were still waiting for what we thought he could do instead of looking at what he actually does. Even on the rare occasions he does get it in space, he either takes an easy sideways handball option or takes an age to dispose it and kicks a lazy long bomb to a contest down the line that was probably a spare man if he had a quicker football brain.

All he did on the weekend was stand by himself 4 metres away on the side of a contest and watch the ball and opponents whizz past him while doing his usual spot on impersonation of wacky waving inflatable arm flailing man.

Hopefully the club finally wakes up and drops him for good this week but I won't hold my breath!

 

[CrowBloke]

I gotta say I was surprised by the anti-MacKay comments in this Forum, especially regarding his re-selection for tomorrow's game vs Freo in the thread "Who is to blame for our disgusting selection policies". In there, several people stated outright that they hoped he'd never play for the Crows again!

I went to the Crows AFC Home page and had a gander at MacKay's 2017 stats.

OK, statistics are not a totally reliable performance indicator and the stats I looked at lacked detail regarding the 1% acts which often go unrecorded anyway eg field positioning, shepherding, blocking, tapping on a loose ball to a teammate's advantage, smothering off the boot, kick efficiency etc.
They did not record contested possessions, either, but as far as I can see MacKay is used as an outside runner, a receiver (in gridiron terms) for which he does find space to receive transitional rebound plays from half-back, so his stats are not going to reflect in-the-pack hardball gets. Even so, MacKay's stats are favourable putting him around 12-14th in the team for possessions and tackles.

Clearly, Pyke and the selectors have faith in MacKay who must be doing some job for the team that he's been assigned to. So, why has his re-selection caused such a storm?

[Comment later 27/05/17 1:19 a.m.
Here's evidence that explains Mackay's re-selection --- from the AFC own website:
"" "The Crows have recalled the experienced David Mackay to help counter the pace of Dockers duo Bradley and Steven Hill.

"D-Mac comes back in through a bit of team balance," Camporeale said.

"We thought we were one runner down last week in terms of the flexibility he brings.

With the two Hill boys on the wing it's a different sort of make-up, so we'll always pick the team that we best think is going to win." "" (my emphasis)
I've certainly received more feedback in here than I expected and thank all who've commented, whether I agreed or not.
For the record I should probably say what i think of Mackay's re-selection.
Meh.
Well, it didn't upset or annoy or disappoint me or make me angry, like some of the people in here.
Mackay's not a match-winner and does not have explosive impact in a game like our best 8-10 players can and do. Unless you're an AFL fan with encyclopedic knowledge, think for a moment and name players from opposition teams. Chances are you'll be recalling their best, most effective players, the stars --- and Mackay is not a star. He's a soldier, one who does pretty much what's asked of him and not much more. All AFL teams have players like that, who get a game week after week and stay relatively anonymous.
I think Galluci was given a run to try him out against Brisbane, but I do not consider him to be better than Mackay at this stage. Maybe the selectors thought to try Galluci and dropped Mackay to fit him in, maybe even with the intention of recalling Mackay, unless Galluci starred.
I just don't know.
All Pyke and the selectors can do is pick a team that they think will win.]

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Because of how easily he's been brushed aside in crunch games and finals

 

[Rotayjay]

Because he's not a very good player and keeps getting selected. If Mackay was a good player, it'd be fine. If he hardly ever got games, it'd be fine.

 

[FantasticShirt]

Because of how easily he's been brushed aside in crunch games and finals

Add to this his inconsistency and the massive gap between his best peformances (rare) and regular performances.

His first month of this year was really good. Since then he's been a borderline liability in a huge number of contests when we've really needed our senior players to step up.

 

[Samcro24]

He can't even football.

 

[Combathorse]

I would have thought our grievances are pretty well outlined in those threads.

 

[Runnin Blue]

Because it's cool to hate him on this board.

That and the fact that, apart from his first couple of games, he has been unimpressive and ragdolled too many times in subsequent games. Opposition players run through him like he's a banner.

In saying that, I somewhat understand the coach saying that he provides some versatility.

Mostly.

 

[ftmch]

Because it's cool to hate him on this board.

That and the fact that, apart from his first couple of games, he has been unimpressive and ragdolled too many times in subsequent games. Opposition players run through him like he's a banner.

In saying that, I somewhat understand the coach saying that he provides some versatility.

Mostly.
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Awesome use of picture to 'flavour' a comment fwiw!

 

[Infra Ted]

I gotta say I was surprised by the anti-MacKay comments in this Forum, especially regarding his re-selection for tomorrow's game vs Freo in the thread "Who is to blame for our disgusting selection policies". In there, several people stated outright that they hoped he'd never play for the Crows again!

I went to the Crows AFC Home page and had a gander at MacKay's 2017 stats.

OK, statistics are not a totally reliable performance indicator and the stats I looked at lacked detail regarding the 1% acts which often go unrecorded anyway eg field positioning, shepherding, blocking, tapping on a loose ball to a teammate's advantage, smothering off the boot, kick efficiency etc.
They did not record contested possessions, either, but as far as I can see MacKay is used as an outside runner, a receiver (in gridiron terms) for which he does find space to receive transitional rebound plays from half-back, so his stats are not going to reflect in-the-pack hardball gets. Even so, MacKay's stats are favourable putting him around 12-14th in the team for possessions and tackles.

Clearly, Pyke and the selectors have faith in MacKay who must be doing some job for the team that he's been assigned to. So, why has his re-selection caused such a storm?

Tomorrow night watch him in and around the contest. Piss weak is the only real way to describe it.

That's without addressing his poor outside carry for a supposed outside player.

 

[Alwaysacrow]

Simple because he's an overpaid hack that we can't seem to get rid of. That's all that needs to be said.

 

[Runnin Blue]

Awesome use of picture to 'flavour' a comment fwiw!

Haha. I was hoping someone would get the reference.

 

[relapse]

because he's a markedly mediocre player who doesn't influence the game at all.

I always find it amazing how some people are adverse to making any changes, if David Mackay never played another game for this club it would not make one scrap of difference to our performances.

He's 29 in a couple of weeks and has never amounted to being anything but a two-bit depth wingman who somehow continues to be gifted games.

 

[Samcro24]

He embodies everything a lot of supporters hate about our clubs culture.

He hasn't performed at all, yet we don't let go. We won't put a line through him and play a kid like galluci. We haven't been able to trade for a ready made upgrade which seems the only way he will get dropped.

There's been some great examples of drafting and development... and a few head scratching ones that hold us back.
This is one.

171*

 

[DD#23]

the main reason for me is simply that he's held to a different standard than everybody else.

 

[Valentino Dmitri]

A mate of mine liked what he saw of Mackay against the Hawks this year. Thought he was a 18-20 year old kid with a bright future once he put on a little weight.

Was shocked to learn he'd been around for a decade/150+ games lol. Never heard of him before.

 

[Elite Crow]

I gotta say I was surprised by the anti-MacKay comments in this Forum, especially regarding his re-selection for tomorrow's game vs Freo in the thread "Who is to blame for our disgusting selection policies". In there, several people stated outright that they hoped he'd never play for the Crows again!

I went to the Crows AFC Home page and had a gander at MacKay's 2017 stats.

OK, statistics are not a totally reliable performance indicator and the stats I looked at lacked detail regarding the 1% acts which often go unrecorded anyway eg field positioning, shepherding, blocking, tapping on a loose ball to a teammate's advantage, smothering off the boot, kick efficiency etc.
They did not record contested possessions, either, but as far as I can see MacKay is used as an outside runner, a receiver (in gridiron terms) for which he does find space to receive transitional rebound plays from half-back, so his stats are not going to reflect in-the-pack hardball gets. Even so, MacKay's stats are favourable putting him around 12-14th in the team for possessions and tackles.

Clearly, Pyke and the selectors have faith in MacKay who must be doing some job for the team that he's been assigned to. So, why has his re-selection caused such a storm?

Really? Where did he finish in last years B&F? That will tell you how he's rated and yet he still gets picked