Mega Thread #14 David Mackay - 14 possessions again

[Sanders]

Which games?

Oh you cheeky scallywag you!

 

[Sanders]

Based on the B&F voting...
R2 (vs Port) - 13 votes
R5 (vs Hawthorn) - 10 votes
R6 (vs Fremantle) - 11 votes
EF (vs North) - 11 votes

Over the course of the season he only averaged 6.2 per game, but he did have some games which were much, much better than that.

Think he was hoping you might be able to talk about your own observations from watching us play

 

[Miss Vanessa]

Ok then. Here we go. Given that heated discussion about everybody's favourite Number 14 is the thing we seem to love most on this board, I provide you all with the following. A breakdown of a bunch of stats, relevant to midfield play, from the first five games of the season. I've included any players considered to be rotating through the midfield on a regular basis, and ranked them on their output. I'll note how many times they top a particular stat, and how many times they feature in the top 3 for a stat. Plus, how many times they come dead last amongst the group. We can then use/dismiss the provided stats to beat each other over the head to justify our own positions on the matter. Good times.

Disposals:
1. M. Crouch (31.0)
2. R. Sloane (28.8)
3. R. Atkins (21.8)
4. R. Douglas (21.4)
5. D. Mackay (17.6)
6. R. Knight (17.4)
6. W. Milera (17.4)
8. C. Cameron (17.0)
9. C. Hampton (15.4)

Contested Possessions:
1. R. Sloane (16.2)
2. M. Crouch (13.4)
3. R. Douglas (8.6)
4. C. Cameron (7.4)
4. R. Atkins (7.4)
6. C. Hampton (6.8)
7. D. Mackay (6.0)
8. R. Knight (5.0)
9. W. Milera (3.8)

Intercept Possessions:
1. R. Atkins (5.0)
2. R. Sloane (4.8)
3. D. Mackay (4.2)
4. M. Crouch (2.8)
4. R. Douglas (2.8)
6. C. Cameron (1.6)
6. R. Knight (1.6)
8. W. Milera (1.2)
9. C. Hampton (0.4)

Disposal Efficiency:
1. R. Knight (82.8)
2. D. Mackay (81.8)
3. W. Milera (81.6)
4. R. Atkins (75.2)
5. R. Sloane (72.9)
6. R. Douglas (72.0)
7. C. Hampton (71.4)
8. M. Crouch (69.0)
9. C. Cameron (63.5)

Metres Gained:
1. R. Atkins (443.6)
2. C. Cameron (435.6)
3. R. Sloane (392.7)
4. R. Douglas (351.3)
5. D Mackay (338.3)
6. M. Crouch (331.2)
7. R. Knight (274.6)
8. W. Milera (254.3)
9. C. Hampton (216.4)

Clearances:
1. R. Sloane (8.4)
2. M. Crouch (6.4)
3. R. Douglas (3.2)
4. C. Cameron (3.0)
5. C. Hampton (1.8)
6. D. Mackay (1.6)
6. W. Milera (1.6)
6. R. Atkins (1.6)
9. R. Knight (1.2)

Marks:
1. R. Knight (4.6)
2. R. Atkins (3.6)
3. C. Cameron (3.0)
3. M. Crouch (3.0)
3. C. Hampton (3.0)
3. D. Mackay (3.0)
3. R Sloane (3.0)
8. R. Douglas (2.8)
8. W. Milera (2.8)

Goals:
1. R. Atkins (1.4)
2. C. Cameron (1.2)
2. R.Knight (1.2)
4. D. Mackay (1.0)
4. R. Sloane (1.0)
6. R. Douglas (0.6)
7. C. Hampton (0.4)
8. M. Crouch (0.2)
8. W. Milera (0.2)

Score Involvements:
1. R. Sloane (9.4)
2. D. Mackay (7.6)
3. R. Douglas (6.8)
4. C. Cameron (6.6)
5. M. Crouch (6.4)
5. R. Knight (6.4)
7. R. Atkins (6.2)
8. C. Hampton (4.8)
9. W. Milera (4.2)

Goal Assists:
1. R. Atkins (1.2)
1. R. Knight (1.2)
3. C. Cameron (1.0)
3. D. Mackay (1.0)
5. R. Sloane (0.8)
5. W. Milera (0.8)
7. C. Hampton (0.6)
7. R. Douglas (0.6)
9. M. Crouch (0.2)

Inside 50s:
1. R. Atkins (5.6)
2. C. Cameron (5.4)
3. R. Sloane (4.8)
4. R. Douglas (4.0)
5. D. Mackay (3.4)
6. C. Hampton (2.8)
7. R. Knight (2.6)
7. M. Crouch (2.6)
9. W. Milera 2.0)

Rebound 50s:
1. R. Sloane (2.0)
1. M. Crouch (2.0)
3. D. Mackay (1.6)
3. W. Milera (1.6)
5. R. Atkins (1.2)
5. R. Knight (1.2)
7. R. Douglas (1.0)
8. C. Cameron (0.8)
9. C. Hampton (0.4)

Bounces:
1. C. Cameron (3.0)
2. R. Atkins (1.8)
3. M. Crouch (0.6)
3. D. Mackay (0.6)
5. C. Hampton (0.4)
5. W. Milera (0.4)
7. R. Douglas (0.2)
7. R. Sloanes (0.2)
9. R. Knight (0.0)

Tackles:
1. R. Sloane (10.0)
2. C. Hampton (7.6)
3. C. Cameron (5.6)
4. M. Crouch (4.2)
5. R. Douglas (3.6)
6. D. Mackay (3.2)
7. R. Atkins (2.6)
8. R. Knight (2.2)
9. W. Milera (2.0)

One Percenters:
1. R. Sloane (2.8)
2. D. Mackay (1.8)
3. R. Atkins (1.4)
4. M. Crouch (1.0)
4. W. Milera (1.0)
6. R.Douglas (0.8)
6. C. Cameron (0.8)
8. C. Hampton (0.6)
9. R. Knight (0.2)

Best performed (number of times best performed in a stat):
1. Sloane (leads 6 stats)
2. Atkins (5)
3. Knight (3)
4. Crouch (2)
5. Cameron (1)

Number of Top 3 finishes in each stat (not counting best performed)
1. Mackay (9 top 3 finishes)
2. Cameron (6)
3. Sloane (5)
4. Douglas, Atkins, Crouch (4)
7. Hampton, Milera (2)
9. Knight (1)

Number of times worst performed in a stat:
1. Milera (6)
2. Hampton (4)
3. Knight (3)
4. Crouch (2)
5. Cameron, Douglas (1)

If we add up all the players rankings from each stat, we have the following overall rankings (lowest number of points equates to best overall performance... according to dodgy Miss Vanessa science):

1. Sloane (40 points)
2. Atkins (47)
3. Mackay (59)
4. Cameron (65)
5. Crouch (67)
6. Douglas (77)
7. Knight (84)
8. Hampton (100)
8. Milera (100)

Personally, I kinda think this almost sums up where our midfield group currently is. Sloane and Atkins have been the overall standouts, Crouch and Cameron play their specific roles very well, Mackay and Douglas have been very good in whatever supporting roles have been required, while Knight has been the best of the three younger players.

I've argued before that Mackay should have been dropped at any number of times in the past due to poor performances. But the reality is that he's been more than serviceable this year in a team playing some wonderful football. I'd call him a "jack of all trades, master of none". It seems increasingly likely that this year the Crows should be pushing deep into finals. While I think Hampton and Knight can provide something special to our lineup, the truth is, that if we were playing a final next week and we had to chose between Milera and Mackay, on current performances, I would choose Mackay in a heartbeat.

Please note: I think we need to continue to give games to Milera, and with our current injury list, he will continue to get those opportunities. I think he can become a great player for the club. At present however, Mackay is a better option.

Have at me...

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Great work!

Am a Mackay critic but have to acknowledge that he's playing very well mostly this season.

In the back of my mind I still don't trust him not to let us down against the best teams when it counts. He can win me over with a good game vs Geelong at Kardinia Park and other games like that.

 

[Miss Vanessa]

Great work!

Am a Mackay critic but have to acknowledge that he's playing very well mostly this season.

In the back of my mind I still don't trust him not to let us down against the best teams when it counts. He can win me over with a good game vs Geelong at Kardinia Park and other games like that.

I tend to agree. I think I did something like this after about 5 rounds last season, and he'd played quite well until that point... I think his performances then dropped off for much of the rest of the season - barring a couple of good games her and there. I don't know. I'm just being optimistic. I think he's been pretty clean with his disposal this year, and I'm generally pretty confident he'll do what's required when he goes near the ball. He's been involved in a lot of great passages of play this year and here's hoping he's involved in a lot more... preferably against Geelong and the Bulldogs and the Giants... and preferably in Prelims and Grand Finals.

 

[DD#23]

Great work!

Am a Mackay critic but have to acknowledge that he's playing very well mostly this season.

In the back of my mind I still don't trust him not to let us down against the best teams when it counts. He can win me over with a good game vs Geelong at Kardinia Park and other games like that.

yep.

remember that Bulldogs player who missed an easy hand pass which led to Tex's run down the wing in the Elimination Final a couple of years ago? That's a Mackay moment, waiting to happen.

 

[VictorianCrow85]

Ok then. Here we go. Given that heated discussion about everybody's favourite Number 14 is the thing we seem to love most on this board, I provide you all with the following. A breakdown of a bunch of stats, relevant to midfield play, from the first five games of the season. I've included any players considered to be rotating through the midfield on a regular basis, and ranked them on their output. I'll note how many times they top a particular stat, and how many times they feature in the top 3 for a stat. Plus, how many times they come dead last amongst the group. We can then use/dismiss the provided stats to beat each other over the head to justify our own positions on the matter. Good times.

Disposals:
1. M. Crouch (31.0)
2. R. Sloane (28.8)
3. R. Atkins (21.8)
4. R. Douglas (21.4)
5. D. Mackay (17.6)
6. R. Knight (17.4)
6. W. Milera (17.4)
8. C. Cameron (17.0)
9. C. Hampton (15.4)

Contested Possessions:
1. R. Sloane (16.2)
2. M. Crouch (13.4)
3. R. Douglas (8.6)
4. C. Cameron (7.4)
4. R. Atkins (7.4)
6. C. Hampton (6.8)
7. D. Mackay (6.0)
8. R. Knight (5.0)
9. W. Milera (3.8)

Intercept Possessions:
1. R. Atkins (5.0)
2. R. Sloane (4.8)
3. D. Mackay (4.2)
4. M. Crouch (2.8)
4. R. Douglas (2.8)
6. C. Cameron (1.6)
6. R. Knight (1.6)
8. W. Milera (1.2)
9. C. Hampton (0.4)

Disposal Efficiency:
1. R. Knight (82.8)
2. D. Mackay (81.8)
3. W. Milera (81.6)
4. R. Atkins (75.2)
5. R. Sloane (72.9)
6. R. Douglas (72.0)
7. C. Hampton (71.4)
8. M. Crouch (69.0)
9. C. Cameron (63.5)

Metres Gained:
1. R. Atkins (443.6)
2. C. Cameron (435.6)
3. R. Sloane (392.7)
4. R. Douglas (351.3)
5. D Mackay (338.3)
6. M. Crouch (331.2)
7. R. Knight (274.6)
8. W. Milera (254.3)
9. C. Hampton (216.4)

Clearances:
1. R. Sloane (8.4)
2. M. Crouch (6.4)
3. R. Douglas (3.2)
4. C. Cameron (3.0)
5. C. Hampton (1.8)
6. D. Mackay (1.6)
6. W. Milera (1.6)
6. R. Atkins (1.6)
9. R. Knight (1.2)

Marks:
1. R. Knight (4.6)
2. R. Atkins (3.6)
3. C. Cameron (3.0)
3. M. Crouch (3.0)
3. C. Hampton (3.0)
3. D. Mackay (3.0)
3. R Sloane (3.0)
8. R. Douglas (2.8)
8. W. Milera (2.8)

Goals:
1. R. Atkins (1.4)
2. C. Cameron (1.2)
2. R.Knight (1.2)
4. D. Mackay (1.0)
4. R. Sloane (1.0)
6. R. Douglas (0.6)
7. C. Hampton (0.4)
8. M. Crouch (0.2)
8. W. Milera (0.2)

Score Involvements:
1. R. Sloane (9.4)
2. D. Mackay (7.6)
3. R. Douglas (6.8)
4. C. Cameron (6.6)
5. M. Crouch (6.4)
5. R. Knight (6.4)
7. R. Atkins (6.2)
8. C. Hampton (4.8)
9. W. Milera (4.2)

Goal Assists:
1. R. Atkins (1.2)
1. R. Knight (1.2)
3. C. Cameron (1.0)
3. D. Mackay (1.0)
5. R. Sloane (0.8)
5. W. Milera (0.8)
7. C. Hampton (0.6)
7. R. Douglas (0.6)
9. M. Crouch (0.2)

Inside 50s:
1. R. Atkins (5.6)
2. C. Cameron (5.4)
3. R. Sloane (4.8)
4. R. Douglas (4.0)
5. D. Mackay (3.4)
6. C. Hampton (2.8)
7. R. Knight (2.6)
7. M. Crouch (2.6)
9. W. Milera 2.0)

Rebound 50s:
1. R. Sloane (2.0)
1. M. Crouch (2.0)
3. D. Mackay (1.6)
3. W. Milera (1.6)
5. R. Atkins (1.2)
5. R. Knight (1.2)
7. R. Douglas (1.0)
8. C. Cameron (0.8)
9. C. Hampton (0.4)

Bounces:
1. C. Cameron (3.0)
2. R. Atkins (1.8)
3. M. Crouch (0.6)
3. D. Mackay (0.6)
5. C. Hampton (0.4)
5. W. Milera (0.4)
7. R. Douglas (0.2)
7. R. Sloanes (0.2)
9. R. Knight (0.0)

Tackles:
1. R. Sloane (10.0)
2. C. Hampton (7.6)
3. C. Cameron (5.6)
4. M. Crouch (4.2)
5. R. Douglas (3.6)
6. D. Mackay (3.2)
7. R. Atkins (2.6)
8. R. Knight (2.2)
9. W. Milera (2.0)

One Percenters:
1. R. Sloane (2.8)
2. D. Mackay (1.8)
3. R. Atkins (1.4)
4. M. Crouch (1.0)
4. W. Milera (1.0)
6. R.Douglas (0.8)
6. C. Cameron (0.8)
8. C. Hampton (0.6)
9. R. Knight (0.2)

Best performed (number of times best performed in a stat):
1. Sloane (leads 6 stats)
2. Atkins (5)
3. Knight (3)
4. Crouch (2)
5. Cameron (1)

Number of Top 3 finishes in each stat (not counting best performed)
1. Mackay (9 top 3 finishes)
2. Cameron (6)
3. Sloane (5)
4. Douglas, Atkins, Crouch (4)
7. Hampton, Milera (2)
9. Knight (1)

Number of times worst performed in a stat:
1. Milera (6)
2. Hampton (4)
3. Knight (3)
4. Crouch (2)
5. Cameron, Douglas (1)

If we add up all the players rankings from each stat, we have the following overall rankings (lowest number of points equates to best overall performance... according to dodgy Miss Vanessa science):

1. Sloane (40 points)
2. Atkins (47)
3. Mackay (59)
4. Cameron (65)
5. Crouch (67)
6. Douglas (77)
7. Knight (84)
8. Hampton (100)
8. Milera (100)

Personally, I kinda think this almost sums up where our midfield group currently is. Sloane and Atkins have been the overall standouts, Crouch and Cameron play their specific roles very well, Mackay and Douglas have been very good in whatever supporting roles have been required, while Knight has been the best of the three younger players.

I've argued before that Mackay should have been dropped at any number of times in the past due to poor performances. But the reality is that he's been more than serviceable this year in a team playing some wonderful football. I'd call him a "jack of all trades, master of none". It seems increasingly likely that this year the Crows should be pushing deep into finals. While I think Hampton and Knight can provide something special to our lineup, the truth is, that if we were playing a final next week and we had to chose between Milera and Mackay, on current performances, I would choose Mackay in a heartbeat.

Please note: I think we need to continue to give games to Milera, and with our current injury list, he will continue to get those opportunities. I think he can become a great player for the club. At present however, Mackay is a better option.

Have at me...

Good post, I mentioned previously that people should also look at the heat maps over the first few weeks as they would compliment this too. Mackays is very telling compared to some other players. As you say, 'master of none' but he's covering the ground and clearly doing a lot of different roles and thus far deserves his spot without some of the sheer bias that is evident here. If his form truly warrants being dropped I'll have no issue calling for it, the same I would for anyone.

 

[Infra Ted]

How bad is this guy at football?

He looks like a school boy out there. Can't tackle at all. It's laughable.

He is an absolute liability. We won't go deep in September with is in the side. Non existent plodder.

 

[Scorpus]

Can't tackle, can't kick, can't make correct decisions, can't win the football. Can't run and carry

Has to go. Permanently.

 

[rezagun]

Can't tackle, can't kick, can't make correct decisions, can't win the football. Can't run and carry

Has to go. Permanently.

Out of his depth. Plays 2 good games a year. Trains like a champion but once its gameday he shits the bed. How much longer arewe going to persist with this ****ing bullshit

 

[1990crow]

I blame the selectors not Mackay. He has to have a clause in his contract that says must play AFL when fit.

 

[Scorpus]

His continued selection makes me angrier than the pathetic way he plays

 

[whitey_1975]

Stats today to the half.
3 turnovers, 3 missed tackles, 3 yr old skinny arms.

 

[DD#23]

His continued selection makes me angrier than the pathetic way he plays

I have to give him props for turning up and trying.

I would have dropped myself in shame years ago if I were in his position.

 

[Infra Ted]

Stats today to the half.
3 turnovers, 3 missed tackles, 3 yr old skinny arms.

I count a lot more than 3 missed tackles. At least 6 I reckon.

 

[whitey_1975]

I count a lot more than 3 missed tackles. At least 6 I reckon.

Its a disservice to a 6 year old didnt fit my wittyness

 

[whitey_1975]

Gang tackled by fresh air.....

 

[whitey_1975]

Going by the last 2 weeks we got more problems than just MacKay

 

[Firewalker]

My god this thread title paints such a charade, much like the player himself.

Here are some more apt past thread titles,

July 2015: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/gold-pass-mackay-put-a-fork-in-him.1105179/

July 2016: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/the-official-drop-david-mackay-thread.1138598/

Either David's overall ineptitude as a footballer isn't now just obvious in the month July or any patience people had with a 28 year old 170 gamer putting in poor performances year after year eventually wears thinner than it once did.

This week will again prove how strong his will of perseverance and power of irresistibility to match committee really is.

David 'T-1000' Mackay on the training track this week




From last night's gameday thread:

Do you have a link to most games played? It could become a macabre little game watching him climb the leader board.

As of the end of Round 8 2017

1. McLeod - 340
2. Edwards - 321
3. Ricciuto - 312
4. Hart - 311
5. Smart - 278
6. Goodwin -275
7. Bickley - 272
8. Thompson - 268*
9. Doughty - 231
10. Rutten - 229
11. Johncock - 227
12. Bassett - 210
13. van Berlo - 205
14. Reilly - 203
15. Douglas - 203*
16. Burton - 177
17. Mackay - 171*
18. Dangerfield - 154
19. Jameson - 153
20. McGregor - 152
21. Shirley - 151
22. Sloane - 149*
23. Jacobs - 140*
24. Walker - 137*
25. Rehn - 134
26. Biglands - 134
27. Pittman - 131
28. Robran - 130
29. Porplyzia - 130
30. Talia - 130*

#DmacGamesWatch

 

[Thetrader15]

Fee, we really have stuck true to some guys
#mckayvbmcgregor

 

[Thetrader15]

I count a lot more than 3 missed tackles. At least 6 I reckon.

I stopped counting at 10 in the 1nd qtr

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

9. Doughty - 231
13. van Berlo - 205
14. Reilly - 203
15. Douglas - 203*
17. Mackay - 171*
20. McGregor - 152
21. Shirley - 151
26. Biglands - 134

 

[Scorpus]

My god this thread title paints such a charade, much like the player himself.

Here are some more apt past thread titles,

July 2015: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/gold-pass-mackay-put-a-fork-in-him.1105179/

July 2016: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/the-official-drop-david-mackay-thread.1138598/

Either David's overall ineptitude as a footballer isn't now just obvious in the month July or any patience people had with a 28 year old 170 gamer putting in poor performances year after year eventually wears thinner than it once did.

This week will again prove how strong his will of perseverance and power of irresistibility to match committee really is.

David 'T-1000' Mackay on the training track this week




From last night's gameday thread:


As of the end of Round 8 2017

1. McLeod - 340
2. Edwards - 321
3. Ricciuto - 312
4. Hart - 311
5. Smart - 278
6. Goodwin -275
7. Bickley - 272
8. Thompson - 268*
9. Doughty - 231
10. Rutten - 229
11. Johncock - 227
12. Bassett - 210
13. van Berlo - 205
14. Reilly - 203
15. Douglas - 203*
16. Burton - 177
17. Mackay - 171*
18. Dangerfield - 154
19. Jameson - 153
20. McGregor - 152
21. Shirley - 151
22. Sloane - 149*
23. Jacobs - 140*
24. Walker - 137*
25. Rehn - 134
26. Biglands - 134
27. Pittman - 131
28. Robran - 130
29. Porplyzia - 130
30. Talia - 130*

#DmacGamesWatch

There are some truly horrible players in this list

 

[Firewalker]

Oh come on, Dougy got a Gold jacket from Craigy & I'm pretty sure Dermie once called Biglands the best ruckman in the league at some point in 2006

There are some truly horrible players in this list

There's a clear bottom 7

Mackay
Doughty
McGregor
Biglands
Reilly
van Berlo
Shirley

luckily for Robran & Pittman the significance of their Premiership medallions and nostalgic memories probably gets them pass marks

 

[Doctor B]

Next preseason if Pyke gets a boxing ring, puts MacKay in the blue corner Erin Phillips in the red corner and a sherrin in the middle of the ring. Give them a countdown to go in hard and get the pill, who are you betting on getting the ball?

Erin every day of the week for me. It's an indictment on DMack & the team. We need to be harder at it, everyone on the list needs to be able to play one on one tough, hard footy, stick tackles and take tackles, if you can't, go back to the SANFL until you can.

Starts with MacKay but applies to the whole list, it's what wins finals.